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Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« on: May 06, 2011, 03:16:23 AM »
I'm hoping some of you can share some knowledge to help me to decide which new pre-amp to go for. I currently have a Church UGLY and have no problem with this, it's a great little preamp. But I will be going to a festival where I'd like the flexibility to change gain settings very quickly and probably frequently over 2-3 days. As i understand it, both the Tinybox and 9100/9200 are similar sizes but both a lot bigger than the UGLY, but that won't be a problem for this festival.

I mostly record loud-very loud bands so would the Tinybox or Church preamp(s) be better at taking a hot signal? I know the Church preamps can take very hot signals (from experience) but i don't know much about the Tinybox.

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 04:38:09 AM »
I wouldn't say the Tinybox is A LOT larger than the Ugly. Maybe twice as big...but I guess all of this depends on your opinion of "a lot."

The Tinybox does not have infinite gain adjustment. You have 3 choices (low, med, high). I don't recall the exact amount of gain for each setting, but I have ALWAYS used the Med setting without issue. I just set it to medium and make adjustments on my recorder. I would consider most of the shows I've been to with it as average loudness for a concert. Never ear splitting, but I would assume you could change the gain to low if required.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 05:58:06 AM »
Thanks for the info. The middle gain setting is about +18dB right?

Also, how do you find your Nevatons with the Tinybox, and what cable/input do you use? Presumably you have some sort of dual mini-xlr to single mini-xlr cable direct into the Tinybox?

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 06:30:55 AM »
Jon (Naiant) makes a female XLR > Mini 5 (or 6) pin to go from the Nevaton (or any other XLR term mic that can run on the Tinybox's Phantom power) to the Tinybox input (which I think is a 6 pin mini-XLR now). The Nevatons terminate into a normal XLR.

They work fantastic with the Tinybox. Very good combo, IMO. I actually like it quite a bit more than when I owned the DPA 4060's > DPA MMA 6000 combo ($1400 for DPA vs. $600 for Nevaton/Tinybox).
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 10:50:46 PM »
I am also VERY CURIOUS about this particular thread :)
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2011, 06:32:17 AM »
Here's a side-by-side of my TinyBox and CA-9100:
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2011, 09:38:21 AM »
Here's a side-by-side of my TinyBox and CA-9100:

Thanks that's a really useful shot. Which do you prefer and why? Would you say one is better for loud shows than the other?

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2011, 10:37:13 AM »
I prefer the TinyBox for three easons: solid metal construction is extremely durable; lithium ion battery lasts forever and is rechargeable; and lastly the three preamp setting ensure that I get the same settings everytime.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2011, 02:13:25 PM »
not to hijack-- but could anyone get a side by side of littlebox extended case vs 9100?
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 04:23:25 PM »
I prefer the TinyBox for three easons: solid metal construction is extremely durable; lithium ion battery lasts forever and is rechargeable; and lastly the three preamp setting ensure that I get the same settings everytime.

Nice info thanks/ So would the internal battery last me say 10 hours at 24/96 with an R09-HR?

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2011, 09:42:43 PM »
I feel you need to consider your recorder, I prefer the infinite adjustable gain with the CA9100 with my iRiver recorder. Yes you can adjust gain on the iRiver, but, it is cleaner on the Church Audio. You may be able to attenuate a Tiny Box IDK.

IMHO both are great clean sounding little Preamps. I've had the Church Pre built to my specs for almost 3 years and love it with the AT853's/iRiver for low pro.

That said, I ultimately intend on upgrading to a Sony M10 and Tiny Box once the AKG CK6x Active is available.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2011, 01:44:34 AM »
I agree that they are both great preamps.

On the new Ca-9200 (the one with extra gains) I might have an issue on the sound. I say 'I might' because I did not test it thoroughly.

The issue: using the combo CA11 cards>CA9100>M10 I had a very close (to your face) sound. Just replacing the 9100 with the 9200 the sound appears more distant. Tried to get confirmation from the dedicated CA thread but to no avail. So treat my post with caution.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2011, 02:13:53 AM »
Does anyone know how muchh gain is added in the low/mid/high gain settings of the TinyBox ??? I dont know which way to go now. I like the variable gain of the 9100/9200, but prefer the durability and simplicity of the TB ?!?!
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2011, 02:14:25 AM »
So who's got a comp of CA-14[Cards]>9100/TinyBox ???
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41V (MP) Capsules ->
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Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
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Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2011, 02:25:40 AM »
Does anyone know how muchh gain is added in the low/mid/high gain settings of the TinyBox ??? I dont know which way to go now. I like the variable gain of the 9100/9200, but prefer the durability and simplicity of the TB ?!?!

It is customable: standard is +4;+16;+32
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