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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 04:14:48 AM »
I agree that they are both great preamps.

On the new Ca-9200 (the one with extra gains) I might have an issue on the sound. I say 'I might' because I did not test it thoroughly.

The issue: using the combo CA11 cards>CA9100>M10 I had a very close (to your face) sound. Just replacing the 9100 with the 9200 the sound appears more distant. Tried to get confirmation from the dedicated CA thread but to no avail. So treat my post with caution.

That's interesting.
I asked Chris Church a question re the upper frequency response of the 9100 vs the 9200. The 9200 has a flat response from 20Hz to 20kHz. The 9100 (and UGLY) has a flat response also from 20Hz but to an upper limit of 90kHz. So in theory the 9200 is not much use if you want to go for hi-res files. But i doubt that explains the phoneomenon you describe re the closeness.

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 09:14:58 AM »
I agree that they are both great preamps.

On the new Ca-9200 (the one with extra gains) I might have an issue on the sound. I say 'I might' because I did not test it thoroughly.

The issue: using the combo CA11 cards>CA9100>M10 I had a very close (to your face) sound. Just replacing the 9100 with the 9200 the sound appears more distant. Tried to get confirmation from the dedicated CA thread but to no avail. So treat my post with caution.



That's interesting.
I asked Chris Church a question re the upper frequency response of the 9100 vs the 9200. The 9200 has a flat response from 20Hz to 20kHz. The 9100 (and UGLY) has a flat response also from 20Hz but to an upper limit of 90kHz. So in theory the 9200 is not much use if you want to go for hi-res files. But i doubt that explains the phoneomenon you describe re the closeness.
The 9200 goes way beyond 20khz. But Its not quite as extended as 90khz. It would start to roll off around 50k more than enough for hi res recording.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 09:42:31 AM »
So who's got a comp of CA-14[Cards]>9100/TinyBox ???

I'd be very interested in this as well if someone has/would do a comp.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 04:19:24 PM »
not to hijack-- but could anyone get a side by side of littlebox extended case vs 9100?

Make a stack of six tinyboxes and that's about the size of the littlebox extended case.

isn't that pretty ef'in big?

Seems tough /impossible to stealth through a patdown, yea?
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2011, 05:00:31 PM »
not to hijack-- but could anyone get a side by side of littlebox extended case vs 9100?

Make a stack of six tinyboxes and that's about the size of the littlebox extended case.

isn't that pretty ef'in big?

Seems tough /impossible to stealth through a patdown, yea?

I've done it sans-patdown with a regular case littlebox, and it fits OK in a big jacket pocket.  But I would not think it's acceptable for going through a patdown, no.  Of course, there are people who  >:D with SD boxes, so what do I know...
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2011, 06:08:08 PM »
not to hijack-- but could anyone get a side by side of littlebox extended case vs 9100?
Make a stack of six tinyboxes and that's about the size of the littlebox extended case.

size comparison of Littlebox extended case to my recorders





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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2011, 07:46:59 PM »
not to hijack-- but could anyone get a side by side of littlebox extended case vs 9100?
Make a stack of six tinyboxes and that's about the size of the littlebox extended case.

size comparison of Littlebox extended case to my recorders






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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2011, 01:40:22 AM »
how does the tinybox compare in size to the sonosax sxm2?

I would like to buy one to try a tinybox out?

is there a link?

a wait list?

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2011, 01:45:53 AM »
Somewhere around a third or a quarter the size of the sax.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2011, 02:34:49 AM »
not to hijack-- but could anyone get a side by side of littlebox extended case vs 9100?
Make a stack of six tinyboxes and that's about the size of the littlebox extended case.

size comparison of Littlebox extended case to my recorders

Actually that sticker is a great reference point!  Thanks for those!

I never said it wasn't.

Apologies-- I didn't mean to sound critical, I was expecting it to be large, I was just trying to tease out some clearer picture of exactly what size it would be-- I'm still super interested in getting one, btw =)
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2011, 03:42:56 AM »
Well, my current thinking is i am going to give the Tinybox a shot for 3 reasons: - i already have an UGLY so a 9100/9200 would be quite similar; - the Tinybox will allow me to try out my Nevatons at last; - the gain switch is fixed rather than variable.
I say 'current' because i may well change my mind at the last minute!

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2011, 03:55:27 AM »
Jon (Naiant) makes a female XLR > Mini 5 (or 6) pin to go from the Nevaton (or any other XLR term mic that can run on the Tinybox's Phantom power) to the Tinybox input (which I think is a 6 pin mini-XLR now). The Nevatons terminate into a normal XLR.

They work fantastic with the Tinybox. Very good combo, IMO. I actually like it quite a bit more than when I owned the DPA 4060's > DPA MMA 6000 combo ($1400 for DPA vs. $600 for Nevaton/Tinybox).

I beleive you can specify a minplug input on the Tinybox. I already have a Dual XLR to miniplug cable - do you think this would also work ok with the Nevatons, or would i have to go for the mini-xlr input and getting another dual XLR to mini-xlr cable?

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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2011, 06:18:05 PM »
Is there really a noticeable difference in the sound when running these different pre's with small condenser mics?  Curious as to opinions here.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2011, 06:26:44 PM »
Is there really a noticeable difference in the sound when running these different pre's with small condenser mics?  Curious as to opinions here.
I didn't notice any difference between the CA-9100 and the TinyBox with my CA-11s or CA-14s.
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Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2011, 08:42:37 PM »
Is there really a noticeable difference in the sound when running these different pre's with small condenser mics?  Curious as to opinions here.
I didn't notice any difference between the CA-9100 and the TinyBox with my CA-11s or CA-14s.

Thats because they are both good preamps :)
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