Become a Site Supporter and Never see Ads again!

Author Topic: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??  (Read 13856 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline F.O.Bean

  • Team Schoeps Tapir that
  • Trade Count: (126)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 40691
  • Gender: Male
  • Taperus Maximus
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2011, 11:31:08 PM »
Is there really a noticeable difference in the sound when running these different pre's with small condenser mics?  Curious as to opinions here.
I didn't notice any difference between the CA-9100 and the TinyBox with my CA-11s or CA-14s.

Thats because they are both good preamps :)

Yeah, I duno which way to go yet. I am buying a simple BB to hold me over, until I can finally decide and until my festie season is over so I have the $$ to buy one, or the other :)
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41v (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x3 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus SDXC-I

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax {3.5mm} | FiiO LC 2.5c {2.5mm} ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
Dell Inspiron 15 5570-5521 Laptop
(Pentium i5/8gb RAM/256gb SSD)

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean
http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/Bean420
http://bt.etree.org/mytorrents.php
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/j9eu80jpuaubz/Recordings

Offline Napo

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2011, 02:15:01 AM »
well, the TB has more gain up to 32 than CA-9100
CA-11's>CA-9200>M10

Offline Church-Audio

  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7573
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2011, 08:49:41 AM »
well, the TB has more gain up to 32 than CA-9100

The new 9200 has 40 db via 6 gain settings.
for warranty returns email me at
EMAIL Sales@church-audio.com

Offline Church-Audio

  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7573
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2011, 09:15:55 AM »
tbox can actually do up to 44dB, but you need to be careful about getting addicted to gain figures, you probably don't need as much gain as you think you might.  If you consider that very few sources even have 80dB of dynamic range, and you have a recorder with 110dB of dynamic range, then you should have 30dB of headroom if gain is correctly set.

All you really need to do is get preamp noise above recorder noise (when set at unity).  That is probably a maximum required gain *ever* of 30dB, and it might be as low as 20dB.  After that, you are free to use digital gain changes without penalty.
My preamp will do 44.543 db of gain  :P
for warranty returns email me at
EMAIL Sales@church-audio.com

Offline Napo

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2011, 09:24:29 AM »
Hi, Chris;

can you explain the distinctive difference I hear from the 9100 and 9200 in the closeness of sound?  (the former giving me much closer sound).
I must say I tested the 9200 only three times but in different environments and the difference was always there.

For the rest, I love my new 9200 with the extra gain for my jazz music.
CA-11's>CA-9200>M10

Offline Church-Audio

  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7573
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2011, 09:55:19 AM »
Hi, Chris;

can you explain the distinctive difference I hear from the 9100 and 9200 in the closeness of sound?  (the former giving me much closer sound).
I must say I tested the 9200 only three times but in different environments and the difference was always there.

For the rest, I love my new 9200 with the extra gain for my jazz music.

I dont really understand closeness of sound.. you must make sure you are using the same amount of gain in both situations if not then one would sound more distant. The 9100 is +22 db the 9200 is max +40db.

Chris
for warranty returns email me at
EMAIL Sales@church-audio.com

Offline Belexes

  • Trade Count: (10)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 5227
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2011, 12:00:56 PM »
So it looks like the take away is that they are both good pre's, both provide plenty of gain when figuring in the 9200.  The TB can be run on a Lith Ion battery, so if someone were doing an outrageous amount of festival taping that may be the one to go to.  I get by fine with the CA pre's, swapping out for a fresh 9v battery every so often.
Busman Audio BSC1-K1/K2/K3/K4 > HiHo Silver XLR's > Deck TBD

CA-14 (c,o)/MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod)/AT853(4.7k mod)(c,o,h,sc)/CAFS (o)/CA-1 (o) > CA-9100 (V. 4.1)/CA-9200/CA-UBB > Sony PCM-D50/Sony PCM-M10

Offline Church-Audio

  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7573
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2011, 12:28:05 PM »
So it looks like the take away is that they are both good pre's, both provide plenty of gain when figuring in the 9200.  The TB can be run on a Lith Ion battery, so if someone were doing an outrageous amount of festival taping that may be the one to go to.  I get by fine with the CA pre's, swapping out for a fresh 9v battery every so often.
Or get a MaHa 9.6 volt battery for $6.00 and never have to worry about spending money on batteries.
for warranty returns email me at
EMAIL Sales@church-audio.com

Offline Napo

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2011, 12:37:10 PM »
So it looks like the take away is that they are both good pre's, both provide plenty of gain when figuring in the 9200.  The TB can be run on a Lith Ion battery, so if someone were doing an outrageous amount of festival taping that may be the one to go to.  I get by fine with the CA pre's, swapping out for a fresh 9v battery every so often.
Or get a MaHa 9.6 volt battery for $6.00 and never have to worry about spending money on batteries.
Interesting tip; you have to buy the recharger though, I believe.
CA-11's>CA-9200>M10

Offline hoppedup

  • Trade Count: (17)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3172
  • Sa da tay!
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2011, 02:17:33 PM »
I bought a charger and three 9.6 Maha batteries in December '09 and haven't bought a 9V since. I meter the batteries before every show, but haven't done a test for just how long the 9100 goes on a full charge. I did one swap at a festival recently and taped roughly 32 hours of audio with the pre cranked all the way.

I also have the Maha Immedion AAs and have been very happy with them as well.
AKG SE300B CK91
JB Mod NAK 300 CP1 - CP2
SKM 184

Tascam DR-40, Tascam DR-60D, Tascam DR-22WL, Marantz PMD-706
Panasonic Lumix DMC-G7K

↑↑↓↓←→←→ BA Start
         


My recordings on bt.etree
  
My recordings on LMA

Offline Church-Audio

  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7573
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2011, 04:13:39 PM »
So it looks like the take away is that they are both good pre's, both provide plenty of gain when figuring in the 9200.  The TB can be run on a Lith Ion battery, so if someone were doing an outrageous amount of festival taping that may be the one to go to.  I get by fine with the CA pre's, swapping out for a fresh 9v battery every so often.
Or get a MaHa 9.6 volt battery for $6.00 and never have to worry about spending money on batteries.
Interesting tip; you have to buy the recharger though, I believe.

Yes I think it goes with out saying if you buy a rechargeable battery one must also have a means of charging the said battery  :P
for warranty returns email me at
EMAIL Sales@church-audio.com

Offline Napo

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2011, 12:53:29 AM »
.. and so the price goes up from 6 US$ to something over 60US$  >:D. Yet still saving if the battery can be recharged over 1000 times as claimed.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2011, 12:55:20 AM by Napo »
CA-11's>CA-9200>M10

Offline Church-Audio

  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7573
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2011, 08:52:28 AM »
.. and so the price goes up from 6 US$ to something over 60US$  >:D. Yet still saving if the battery can be recharged over 1000 times as claimed.

Actually the cheapest and functional 9 volt charger I could find on ebay was $7.50 with free shipping and the Maha Power ex 9.6v battery was $9.99 I dont know where you get $60 from but its a little on the high side :)
for warranty returns email me at
EMAIL Sales@church-audio.com

Offline Napo

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Male
Re: Niant Tinybox OR Church 9100/9200 ??
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2011, 12:15:58 AM »
.. and so the price goes up from 6 US$ to something over 60US$  >:D. Yet still saving if the battery can be recharged over 1000 times as claimed.

Actually the cheapest and functional 9 volt charger I could find on ebay was $7.50 with free shipping and the Maha Power ex 9.6v battery was $9.99 I dont know where you get $60 from but its a little on the high side :)

Chris, thanks for the tips! The charger I had found was that suggested to go with Maha and housed 4 batteries. Indeed on the high side.
CA-11's>CA-9200>M10

 

RSS | Mobile
Page created in 0.134 seconds with 55 queries.
© 2002-2019 Taperssection.com
Powered by SMF