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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2011, 03:43:51 PM »
When I used the D50 the optical in on the recorder was secure since it was a mini plug in.  I always thought the Toslink on the preamp side was the connect of concern.

bingo. thats why I picked up the RA cable. Between that and some gaffer tape, it won't move, but you almost need both for a really trustable solution.
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2011, 03:50:21 PM »
OK, so the problem, in this case, is the Toslink connection on the USBPre 2. Why isn't there a 3.5mm standard like on the Sony, if it's such a well known problem?

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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2011, 04:00:05 PM »
OK, so the problem, in this case, is the Toslink connection on the USBPre 2. Why isn't there a 3.5mm standard like on the Sony, if it's such a well known problem?

it's just what they used, plus, I doubt most are going to be using the unit while moving around. Second, the depth needed for a toslink is about half whats needed for the 3.5mm jack and they've already crammed a ton of stuff in the box. I've actually seen more toslink connections then 3.5mm opticals fwiw.
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2011, 04:25:14 PM »
I don't expect the following to be an acceptable solution, but here i goes:

USBPre2> coax> converter: coax to 3.5mm optical> 3.5mm optical> D50

My guess: signal degradation because of the converter and multiple connections.

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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2011, 04:30:04 PM »
I don't expect the following to be an acceptable solution, but here i goes:

USBPre2> coax> converter: coax to 3.5mm optical> 3.5mm optical> D50

My guess: signal degradation because of the converter and multiple connections.

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bigger risk then just running from the pre2 > d50, and more junk to power and go wrong. Of the 2, if you like the cheaper unit and smaller profile, just get the right angle cable and some gaffer tape. If the cost isn't a concern and neither is size, grab the 661.
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2011, 04:31:24 PM »
I don't expect the following to be an acceptable solution, but here i goes:

USBPre2> coax> converter: coax to 3.5mm optical> 3.5mm optical> D50

My guess: signal degradation because of the converter and multiple connections.

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In a perfect world, there is no issue...  But you are introducing more links to the chain...

If you are trying to eliminate the use of a TOSLINK connection, most (if not all) Digital Format Convertors use the TOSLINK connections, so this solution won't help you... 

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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2011, 04:40:15 PM »
I think that you just need to be careful when using a toslink!!  It's not a deal breaker, but people are trying to make you aware that this cable could disconnect.  I ran a toslink cable out of a UA5 and never had a problem.  Really any cable can disconnect and ruin a recording.
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2011, 05:27:55 PM »
Thank you all for placing all this into the right perspective. It's just that it's a lot of money (and form where I am, I can't count on a thirty days money back exit plan).

But instead of spending more by replacing the MicroTrackII with a PCM-D50, I now suddenly spend less by not getting the PDM661 in place. I feel better now, I mean it ;-)

So, I'll have to look out for the right cable, probably from JVC, and get some good gaffer.

Thank you all for your help and for your patience!

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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2011, 05:53:51 PM »
BTW I just saw that there were Toslink cables that said to have:

 - Pressure connection keeps fiber in perfect alignment with components.

 - spring-loaded connector to keep fiber in optical alignment for maximum data transfer.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/529387-REG/Monster_Cable_127609_600DFO_High_Performance_Toslink.html

I know they are not angled ... but can anyone confirm that they work as advertised?
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2011, 06:34:12 PM »
BTW I just saw that there were Toslink cables that said to have:

 - Pressure connection keeps fiber in perfect alignment with components.

 - spring-loaded connector to keep fiber in optical alignment for maximum data transfer.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/529387-REG/Monster_Cable_127609_600DFO_High_Performance_Toslink.html

I know they are not angled ... but can anyone confirm that they work as advertised?

even if they did, you expose too much of the end to stress if it was hit from the side.

I recommend you pick up one of these instead. Thats the JVC cable I mentioned.
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2011, 06:37:35 PM »
« Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 06:39:06 PM by jmbell »
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2011, 11:47:08 PM »
Thank you again, "page" and "jmbell"! I'll order two of them.

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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2011, 04:18:40 AM »
Sorry, but now I found the pmd661 for almost the same price as the pcm-D50!

Page, you gave me the advice to grab the 661 if I can handle the size. Well the size is for all practical purpose the same. But the coaxial connection will be sturdier on the 661. Also it does not use these memory sticks, but regular SDHC.

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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2011, 08:22:44 AM »
Sorry, but now I found the pmd661 for almost the same price as the pcm-D50!

If I found it for the same price, I would too.
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Re: USBPre 2 > SPDIF > MicroTrackII for the field ?
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2011, 11:39:28 AM »
OK, and for those who don't find a used one at the same price, you also have to consider that for the D50 you would want to buy some kind of XLR+P48 adapter, and most likely you will have to buy specialized Memory-sticks...

Now, I hope I can bother you one more time, for the coaxial cable between the Sound Devices USBPre 2 and the Marantz PMD661. On Ebay there is lot of things, but it seems as if I'm not able to find the right thing. What I found was this not short at all cable that I would have to use together with expensive right angle adapters, like the ones below.

Comprehensive XHD XD1 Series Digital S/PDIF RCA Male to RCA Male Audio Cable - 3'
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/408229-REG/Comprehensive_XD1_RCA3_XHD_Digital_S_PDIF_RCA.html
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Monster Cable Right-Angle RCA Adapter - Male to Female
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/485194-REG/Monster_Cable_104125_Right_Angle_RCA_Adapter.html
« Last Edit: May 27, 2011, 11:43:34 AM by nino »

 

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