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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 08:43:21 PM »
Getting the itch again...

Happy with my Littlebox but tempted by the FP24 on the Yardsale at the moment. Any thoughts on replacing the LB with this? It looks a little more low-pro-friendly to me. Or should I just go for the v2 Tinybox?

Obviously the Tinybox will beat everything else in terms of size but if there is a significant sonic advantage in going with the FP24, I'd be interested to hear about it.

I did a *sorta* comp between my LB v2 (stock) vs MixPre the other night. I had taped the same band earlier with the MixPre, identical mics, placement etc., so it's not an exact comp, but I thought it was a decent and fair comp. To my ears the MixPre is very transparent (no surprise), whereas the LB darkened the sound a bit. By darkened I mean the LB didn't bring out the highs quite as much, but it doesn't lift the lows. I would say LB is better if you're worried that the sound on your mics is a bit bright. YMMV. I can post clips if you'd like.
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2012, 03:43:52 AM »
I would go the TinyBox v2 and get output transformers. Get a switch so you can run the TB with or without  the out transformers
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2012, 05:41:30 AM »
Thanks for the replies.

I think the Aerco is definitely my ideal but I just can't justify the expense at the moment.

Interesting about the LB vs Mixpre comparison. One of the deciding factors in going for 4022s was what I perceived as their brightness vs other similar mics so I'd be keen not to compromise this.

Looking around for info about the Mixpre/FP24 differences, the only substantial difference I can see related to how the XLR output is balanced. As I would be using the tape-out minijack, I'm presuming that this won't have any impact on me?

The Tinybox might be winning out here though - cost and size-wize, it takes the right boxes. I'll have to keep my ears open when they start getting used.

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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2012, 10:01:47 AM »
I have an ancient (purchased April, 2000) SD MP-2 lying around that I never use.  I made tons of tapes with 4022s that sound great.  It looks like someone beat the sh!t out of it, but it should still work fine.  if someone wants it, I'd sell it for cheap.  I haven't used it since October, 2004


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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2012, 11:32:35 AM »
In a good sounding environment I always liked a V2/ V3 with my DPA's. I had a few different preamps with my old4011's/ 4023's ( V2,V3,sonosax,sound device mp-2, oade m148) and I always liked the m148 and v2/v3. The oade only gives you 20db so sometimes that was not enough gain for the DPA's especially when I ran my AD-1000.  The sonosax was fine but the grace preamps always sounded better to me( with DPA's) ....especially outdoors at Bonnaroo.
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2012, 01:45:00 PM »
This would be the first time I've heard of any 402x mic described as "bright" - IMHO they are the least bright major manufacturer cardiod mic (that I've heard).  DPAs have a flat frequency response, and that is one of their greatest strengths, albeit also something that some will like, others will not.  To me, the choice of pre really comes down to whether you want to respect that really flat sound by going with something transparent, understanding you may want to fiddle with the 'musicality' in post, or whether you want to intentionally change the color of the sound with your preamp.  At least with the Naiant boxes, there seems to be a belief that the transformers in them color up the sound in a pleasant way - though I think the new obsession on the part of a lot of us with "transformers" may really be overblown and really doesn't focus on the fact that not all transformers are created equal and the way the transformer interacts with the other components (sound-wise, not in pure electrical terms) may not always be the same.  An EAA PSP2 has custom-made transformers that certainly are believed to contribute to making it an outstanding-sounding preamp.  But just because a PSP2 has transformers, a MixPre has transformers and a Littlebox has transformers doesn't mean there is some "transformer sound" that they all have that other pres don't. 

FWIW I think if what you are calling "brightness" is really a concern about harshness, you may want to try the transformer-enabled littlebox or tinybox over the transformerless one.  Owning both, I do think the transformer versions sound a bit softer while the transformerless ones tend to be really crisp bordering on harsh.  I found the Microtech Gefell M210 hypers paired with the littlebox to be a positively awful combination (not knocking either piece of gear, just my taste) - horrendously harsh sounding.  It led me to dump the Gefells almost immediately.  OTOH, there are some really nice recordings made with Gefells and some of the "warmer" preamps, Myco's Gefell>Aerco recordings I have heard being one example.  The Gefells have a really hyped midrange to me, so something warm tones that down a bit. 

With my 4021s I thought either littlebox sounded pretty good, but overall I'd say I preferred the transformer one.  Though I preferred the sound of either of the Sound Devices boxes (MixPre or USBPre2) to either of them.
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2012, 03:32:51 PM »
I have an ancient (purchased April, 2000) SD MP-2 lying around that I never use.  I made tons of tapes with 4022s that sound great.  It looks like someone beat the sh!t out of it, but it should still work fine.  if someone wants it, I'd sell it for cheap.  I haven't used it since October, 2004

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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2012, 07:23:45 PM »
This would be the first time I've heard of any 402x mic described as "bright" - IMHO they are the least bright major manufacturer cardiod mic (that I've heard). 

Perhaps 'bright' is the wrong word - I think what I hear is a lack of the middy mushiness that some other mics have and I perceive this as a greater crispness.
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2012, 12:33:44 AM »
I would get a TinyBox with output transformers, and an ON/OFF switch so your TB can have sound with or without the xformers ;) I'm telling you bro, check out my Rusted Root recording from last Friday. I ran mk41>lemosax & Busman Hypers>LB. And I frickin LOVE the way the LB w/ the transformers sounds ;D
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2012, 08:31:04 AM »
I would get a TinyBox with output transformers, and an ON/OFF switch so your TB can have sound with or without the xformers ;) I'm telling you bro, check out my Rusted Root recording from last Friday. I ran mk41>lemosax & Busman Hypers>LB. And I frickin LOVE the way the LB w/ the transformers sounds ;D

Just had fun comparing and contrasting various tracks from those two recordings... Going off-topic for a moment, I looked up that theatre and I can't believe you can rent that wonderful looking building for $1025 including soundman and cleaning... When I was putting gigs on over here, you could pay almost that much for a shitty space that held about 400 people.
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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2012, 11:46:34 PM »
I would get a TinyBox with output transformers, and an ON/OFF switch so your TB can have sound with or without the xformers ;) I'm telling you bro, check out my Rusted Root recording from last Friday. I ran mk41>lemosax & Busman Hypers>LB. And I frickin LOVE the way the LB w/ the transformers sounds ;D

Just had fun comparing and contrasting various tracks from those two recordings... Going off-topic for a moment, I looked up that theatre and I can't believe you can rent that wonderful looking building for $1025 including soundman and cleaning... When I was putting gigs on over here, you could pay almost that much for a shitty space that held about 400 people.

Awesome. So whaqt did you think of the 3 sources ???

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Re: 4022>???
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2012, 11:26:09 AM »
Awesome. So whaqt did you think of the 3 sources ???

It's a tough one to call - I'm not that familiar with the Busmans (?Busmen) so I'm not sure how much the LB is contributing. The Busman/LB recording certainly holds it own versus the Schoeps/Lemosax one. If anything, I think I prefer how the vocals come across in the Busman one.

I must say though - both have a bit more 'room' than I like in my recordings: one of the reasons I often prefer to do the human mic stand act down the front even if I've got permission for a stand...
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