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Pres still in production
« on: December 30, 2011, 08:44:06 AM »
Most of the P48 pres people here like to use have been discontinued!  The only pres I can think of still in production are:

Currently still for sale

Scheops VSM 5U
Neve Portico 5012
SD 302
SD mixpre D
SD USBpre 2
Aerco MP2 (Long build times)
Tinybox v2
Audioroot Femto
Audioroot upre MKII


Discontinued

V2
V3
Sonosax
PSP2
PSP3
Mix 2000
M148
M248
MV 100
Mini Me
Mini MP
UA-5
SD MP2
SD Mixpre
Shure FP24
Wendt X2
Littlebox
Midbox



Seems like a very small list for current production, while the discontinued list is really long.  Wondering if I'm forgetting something??

Edit: updated list I might have forgotten a few on the discontinued
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 09:47:27 AM »
Mixpre is discontinued, too.   ;)
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 09:58:22 AM »
Mixpre is discontinued, too.   ;)

A couple vendors still have them NIB though.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 10:34:48 AM »
Man, that's kind of depressing.

On the high end side, I think the Neve Portico 5012 is still in production.  On the low end side (to me anyway), Graham Patten is still making the DMic-24, though I don't think tapers ever really used that.  The predecessor Dmic-20 was used a lot, but that fell out of favor as other preamps came available.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 10:37:13 AM »
Technically a versatile 3 channel mixer and not really popular here.

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 10:41:21 AM »
Also, technically the N-box is a preamp, though only for schoeps. oops, not 48v -- 60v though :P

Schoeps also makes the VMS 5 U preamp, which is 48v and I believe can be used for non-schoeps mics.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2011, 10:55:18 AM »
Always wanted to try the FMR Audio RNP.  Seems to get generally very good reviews on GS.com.  Had a conversation w/ someone here one time who said he wasn't that impressed w/ it, though.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2011, 11:54:47 AM »
There's taht Cooper pre that pops up on YS every once in a while...  Looks tasty, but its discontinued in a big way...

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 12:12:40 PM »
The lowly Denecke AD20/PS2 is still kickin!


Fostex has some portable Preamps...you never hear of anyone on TS using them...because of the price I would guess

FM-3 a Three Channel Pre...$1500


FM-4 a Four Channel Pre...$2500


Sony too...DMXP01 $2300


Lots of strange names on the Field Mixer page of B&H

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Field-Mixers/ci/4962/N/4291085968

Then there are the Stand alone Firewire/USB Computer items like the Focusrite Saffire 24 Pre/AD converter


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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 02:11:05 PM »
I was sticking with pres that are commonly used by tapers!!
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 02:15:39 PM »
hello from Strasbourg Alsace France !

do you know the AETA MIXY ?
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 04:52:24 PM »
Fostex has some portable Preamps...you never hear of anyone on TS using them...because of the price I would guess

while true, there are some that you've referenced that largely were only adopted by tapers out of necessity (because the onboard preamps in recorders were bad) and a result of being at the right place and right time in the market for what was being produced, not necessarily by choice. For example, the sx-m2 was almost $1400 brand new, which is about what that fostex clocks in around, but we don't see people using the fostex because for that price now, it doesn't fill a need at a competitive price. That's the advancement of technology (where many onboard preamps have improved). Now the market is looking at mixers and multi-track preamps for that price point (one exception below). I think that largely the function of what we do had fit within an existing market so that market was big enough to create enough demand. Now, that market has moved but our function hasn't and we don't carry enough oomph to generate a ton of products. As a result, boutique shops like Jon or Chris can move in and reap hay.

I was sticking with pres that are commonly used by tapers!!

I think it's largely a skewed snapshot of time due to the aforementioned reasons. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, just something to keep in mind. There are current products, but they may not be made by the same players or fill our needs quite as well as older stuff.

So if you are considering the mixy (which I would argue tapers generally don't use), then I'd add that Sonosax makes a 3ch (2ch post-mixer out) preamp & ADC. (the sx-m32 I think or something like that), and Nagra makes a 2ch preamp (the EMP). All that stuff is top shelf though...
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 05:04:18 PM »
Mixpre is discontinued, too.   ;)

Wow, that sucks.  Guess the MixPre-D stole its thunder for only about 100 bucks more.  I see it listed as "discontinued" on the B&H website but nothing listed on the Sound Devices site.  Was there official word from SD?  Scratch that: found it listed on SD's "Discontinued Products" page.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 05:11:29 PM »
The Denecke AD-20 is not listed on their price list (dated January 2011).

http://www.denecke.com/Support/Downloads/Documents/2011%20Price%20List_0111.pdf

Also the Sound Devices USBPre 1.5 is discontinued.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 05:41:03 PM »
I think he's only listing P48 preamps, but you do have a good eye, there was the Oade 118 which was an 18v version of the 148.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2011, 07:49:35 PM »
If you are including the mini-me then you should also add the ad-1000


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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 08:34:07 PM »
Wow, I have used a TON of preamps listed here. Bummer that most of them are discontinued :(
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2011, 08:37:09 PM »
The Denecke AD-20 is not listed on their price list (dated January 2011).

http://www.denecke.com/Support/Downloads/Documents/2011%20Price%20List_0111.pdf

Another one bites the dust...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/406896-REG/Denecke_AD_20_AD_20_Portable_Microphone_Preamp.html
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2011, 09:55:11 PM »
^Yeah I noticed that too...Posthorn still has it listed as well but I'm sure it's just new old stock.

It would be sweet if they would come out with a Denecke AD-24.

I used to love running the PS-2/AD-20 combo.

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2011, 10:32:51 PM »
Didn't someone here try the Audient MICO? Didn't play well with the D50, iirc?
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2011, 10:39:30 PM »
drewloo, I've used the FMR "Real Nice Preamp" and like it a lot. Its only drawback for me is that it lacks continuously variable gain controls--though some people might consider that an advantage since it makes it easy to match gains between channels.

I've measured its noise performance at typical gain settings (for me), in the 30-40 dB range. At those settings it is one of the quietest preamps I've ever tested. I want to point that out because the spec sheet noise ratings for almost every preamp I've ever seen (including this one) are based on turning the gain all the way up--and in that setting, this preamp falls a few dB short of the best. Their manual even apologizes for that a little, and when the preamp was introduced, people talked about that as if it were a real shortcoming.

I suppose it could be for some specialized applications, but I never set mike preamps to 60+ dB of gain for any actual live recording, and I'll bet most other people here don't, either. It all goes to show that giving just a single signal-to-noise ratio value is pretty useless. What I really want to know is the noise figure of the preamp across its gain range--for each possible gain setting, by how many dB does its actual noise level exceed the theoretical minimum?

The attached graph shows the noise performance of a professional studio console preamp from the 1980s whose manufacturer (Neumann) did show that information. The gain setting (in dB) is shown on the horizontal axis; the corresponding signal-to-noise ratio in dB can be read along the vertical axis, while the noise figure can be seen as the vertical distance between the two diagonal lines at any given gain setting.

I wish other preamp manufacturers would adopt a similar approach. If FMR were to publish a graph for like this for the "Real Nice Preamp," it would show especially good performance in the middle of the gain range, where I think most people are likely to use it.

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P.S.: The M Audio DMP3 is still shown on their Web site--not exactly what I'd call a rugged preamp, and I don't know how RF-immune it is given the way it's built, but it's nice in other respects, and it has solid enough 48-Volt phantom powering to drive a pair of Schoeps mikes properly.
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2011, 01:19:28 AM »
Is it possible pre-amps are fading to have manafactures focus on the digital mics like discussed here before?
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2011, 01:23:21 AM »
Is it possible pre-amps are fading to have manafactures focus on the digital mics like discussed here before?

I wondered about that, digital mics are coming, but slowly. Maybe manufacturers are reading the writing on the wall, maybe it's just a declining need for just a 2ch unit. Nagra only made theirs because they had users complain about the 2 line only channels on their flagship recorder, so the new preamp was an attempt to compliment that.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2011, 10:04:58 AM »
It appears the FMR "Really Nice Preamp" is powered by simply plugging in the power cable.  Is that correct?

It's nice that the unit can accept and output balanced/unbalanced signals as well as be powered by AC/DC over a wide range of voltages, regardless of polarity. 
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2011, 12:26:45 PM »
The Denecke AD-20 is not listed on their price list (dated January 2011).

http://www.denecke.com/Support/Downloads/Documents/2011%20Price%20List_0111.pdf

Another one bites the dust...

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2012, 12:57:06 PM »
It seems that the trend for most "in the field mic preamp"manufacturers is to get out of "stand alone" preamp market and produce/market a "Preamp with Recorder"
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2012, 02:39:22 PM »
It seems that the trend for most "in the field mic preamp"manufacturers is to get out of "stand alone" preamp market and produce/market a "Preamp with Recorder"

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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2012, 03:29:20 PM »
Your avatar sucks posternutballs.

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2012, 03:36:57 PM »
Personally I don't care about the jersey...just can't stand the guy wearing it.  Or his band. ;D

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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2012, 03:49:19 PM »
Nope, still sucks. 

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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2012, 03:51:35 PM »
Nope, still sucks.

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2012, 07:25:07 PM »
As you've got field mixers on the list there're also the Sonosax SX-M32/SX42, SQN 5S/2S

Other small DC powered pre's:
RME Quadmic
Audioroot uPre

I think it's more the case that manufacturers expect you to be using a computer, so a lot of stuff is getting attached to audio interfaces, for studio work it needs to fit in a rack and take a kettle lead or in the case of production/field recording towards the Zaxcom Nomad / SD 788T  'everything in one box' route. 

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2012, 09:02:26 PM »
I think it's more the case that manufacturers expect you to be using a computer, so a lot of stuff is getting attached to audio interfaces, for studio work it needs to fit in a rack and take a kettle lead or in the case of production/field recording towards the Zaxcom Nomad / SD 788T  'everything in one box' route. 

DAV BG1 is popular for classical work but that need AC power and it's quite big

I like stand-alone pre-amps because they tend to be more timeless. The digital stuff usually become obsolete, some a lot more quickly than others.

I own a BG1.  It's a great preamp, and at a very reasonable price.  I have powered it in the field with an Exeltech pure sine wave inverter.  Mine is for sale - I just don't use it enough.

This list of current production preamps is disturbingly short.

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2012, 11:58:55 PM »
This list of current production preamps is not updated.

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I have powered it in the field with an Exeltech pure sine wave inverter.

I'm guessing the BG1 has a robust AC power structure? I've always heard that you can use inverters for stuff, but you should use stuff that has a very tolerant AC>DC stage cause the inverters are less than perfect AC.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2012, 08:08:29 AM »
I listed pres that tapers commonly use!!  I think most of those are discontinued and the list that is still in production seems accurate.  I realize there are other pres/mixers that people use in the field that could be added to the list, but if they didn't seem popular I left them off. 

This list of current production preamps is not updated.

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I have powered it in the field with an Exeltech pure sine wave inverter.

I'm guessing the BG1 has a robust AC power structure? I've always heard that you can use inverters for stuff, but you should use stuff that has a very tolerant AC>DC stage cause the inverters are less than perfect AC.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2012, 09:22:21 AM »
I'm guessing the BG1 has a robust AC power structure? I've always heard that you can use inverters for stuff, but you should use stuff that has a very tolerant AC>DC stage cause the inverters are less than perfect AC.

I hate to stray here, but it is important.  Especially if it saves gear or time from bad inverters.

My post said Exeltech inverter.  The cheap inverters are useful for a lot of things, just not running preamps.  I have quite a bit of experience with them from running in remote areas where there is no a/c.  Even the claimed sine wave inverters from China are often junk (as evidenced by performance and teardowns).  Some inverters that look good, with cooling fans, proved to be junk.  I've had great luck with some small ones I bought at Costco.  I use those for charging laptops, camera batteries, etc.   If you can't find the actual manufacturer of the inverter (aka, just a label slapped on a box from China), don't expect much.

I initially hoped I could run the BG1 on a tiny cheap inverter but it did not work well.  The BG1 uses about 20 watts of A/C.

Here you can see the FFT image of the BG1 noise floor on a cheap inverter vs. wall power.  In these samples I am stepping through the amount of gain, with inputs open.  With the CI, the noise floor is much higher across the frequency spectrum.  It also imparts a particular pattern to the FFT of the noise floor.  It did bad things to the sound.  It sounded sorta "ok" if you had no other comparison, but far from the clean, euphonic sound of the BG1.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71722.msg960770#msg960770

The Exeltech's are US made, and are availabe to run on 12, 24, and 48 volts.  It's a real brand, and they have been around for years.  Mine was $200.  Larger versions are frequently used for alternative energy systems.  The nice thing about this Exeltech is it also gives you the ability to run tube preamps in the field, like the Hamptone, etc.

"Modified sine wave" is *not* a sine wave ;)

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2012, 10:22:39 PM »
I'm guessing the BG1 has a robust AC power structure? I've always heard that you can use inverters for stuff, but you should use stuff that has a very tolerant AC>DC stage cause the inverters are less than perfect AC.

I hate to stray here, but it is important.  Especially if it saves gear or time from bad inverters.

My post said Exeltech inverter.  The cheap inverters are useful for a lot of things, just not running preamps.  I have quite a bit of experience with them from running in remote areas where there is no a/c.  Even the claimed sine wave inverters from China are often junk (as evidenced by performance and teardowns).  Some inverters that look good, with cooling fans, proved to be junk.  I've had great luck with some small ones I bought at Costco.  I use those for charging laptops, camera batteries, etc.   If you can't find the actual manufacturer of the inverter (aka, just a label slapped on a box from China), don't expect much.

I initially hoped I could run the BG1 on a tiny cheap inverter but it did not work well.  The BG1 uses about 20 watts of A/C.

Here you can see the FFT image of the BG1 noise floor on a cheap inverter vs. wall power.  In these samples I am stepping through the amount of gain, with inputs open.  With the CI, the noise floor is much higher across the frequency spectrum.  It also imparts a particular pattern to the FFT of the noise floor.  It did bad things to the sound.  It sounded sorta "ok" if you had no other comparison, but far from the clean, euphonic sound of the BG1.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71722.msg960770#msg960770

The Exeltech's are US made, and are availabe to run on 12, 24, and 48 volts.  It's a real brand, and they have been around for years.  Mine was $200.  Larger versions are frequently used for alternative energy systems.  The nice thing about this Exeltech is it also gives you the ability to run tube preamps in the field, like the Hamptone, etc.

"Modified sine wave" is *not* a sine wave ;)


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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2012, 01:16:08 PM »
Found these recently.
My love of tubes and low prices has me curious:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=ART%20USB%20Dual%20Pre&N=0

I've never heard of them before, but that is very inexpensive.
Anyone ever tried them?
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2012, 10:24:42 PM »
Found these recently.
My love of tubes and low prices has me curious:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=ART%20USB%20Dual%20Pre&N=0

I've never heard of them before, but that is very inexpensive.
Anyone ever tried them?

I dont believe these are tube pres in the sense you are thinking.  I am pretty sure these tube pres are designed to distort as you turn the tube up......
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2012, 03:49:17 AM »
I  cant believe all of the pres that are discontinued :(
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2012, 03:48:46 PM »
what about a NADY DMP-2

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=747361&Q=&is=REG&A=details





The DMP-2 from Nady is a dual channel microphone preamp which works with any professional microphone and offers all the features of two preamps in a small convenient package. It is perfect for all live sound and digital and analog recording applications.

The unit delivers switchable phantom power, a switchable (global) limiter and dual peak LED indicators. Finally, the rugged preamp is powered by a 9V battery for the ultimate in portability.

Dual channel microphone preamp in a compact, portable enclosure
Excellent stereo imaging, ultra low noise, superb transient response and transparent, distortion-free sound
+48V phantom power
Selectable integrated limiter
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Rugged, lightweight all-metal enclosure designed for long life and portability
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2012, 03:51:49 PM »
what about a NADY DMP-2

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2012, 05:11:14 PM »
I was thinking the same thing about the form factor


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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2012, 05:18:40 PM »
Audient Mico

Twin ASP008 discrete Class A Mic Pres

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Switchable Hi-Pass filters - 40Hz, 80Hz, 120Hz

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2012, 07:12:55 PM »
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2012, 09:24:42 PM »



At 54.51$  that would be a neat little preamp.....I wonder how low noise it is?
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2012, 11:46:25 AM »

Radio Design Labs EZ-MPA2
Dual Mic Preamp with Compressors, Stereo out <<only 24V
$165
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/373823.html


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Icon INPRE - Doesn't have any specs, but looks nice and small with VU metering
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2012, 11:50:49 AM »
Stumbled on this one while checking out their CM3 mics:

http://www.lineaudio.se/linepre.htm
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2012, 04:59:29 PM »
Stumbled on this one while checking out their CM3 mics:

http://www.lineaudio.se/linepre.htm

This only runs on VAC.....not DC.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2012, 05:26:19 PM »
Stumbled on this one while checking out their CM3 mics:

http://www.lineaudio.se/linepre.htm

This only runs on VAC.....not DC.

From their spec sheet:

SPECIFICATIONS 2MP & 8MP Preamplifiers:
Power requirement:     15-18VAC 7-20VA (2MP) 15-20VA (8MP), 50-60Hz
                                     External 230VAC transformer included (120VAC on special request)

I assumed the 7-20VA was what the transformer was providing. So what does VA stand for  ???  If it is AC fed through a mini plug, then I doubt it passes FCC regs for the US.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2012, 05:41:24 PM »
Marenius still makes the MM4220 and the SMF mkIII
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2012, 06:04:17 PM »
At 54.51$  that would be a neat little preamp.....I wonder how low noise it is?
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #52 on: February 29, 2012, 05:22:42 PM »
I've been shopping the inexpensive USB bus powered 2 channels like..

Focusrite Scarlett 2i2


Presonus Audiobox USB


M-Audio FastTrack Pro 4x4


Pretty sure after wading through a lot of reading that I will be spending my hard earned cash on the Focusrite. The M-Audio is more versatile but from what I understand doesn't perform too well as a preamp.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2012, 06:18:21 PM »
Has anyone tried either of these, Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 or Presonus Audiobox USB?  Hell for the money I might just have to check one out!
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2012, 10:45:52 AM »
I'll be purchasing the 2i2 in a few days. Tho I'm no expert on how things stack against each other I'll do my best to compare against the UA-5 I'm borrowing.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2012, 02:42:22 PM »
I think the reason the RNP hasn't caught on for portable use is power consumption; its rear panel asks for a supply capable of >13W, and its manual states the unit uses six times the power of a typical class A circuit and that its case gets warm under use.  Figure one of the usual inamp ICs uses 6 to 10mA per channel, so maybe the RNP is using 60mA * 2 channels * 30V = 3.6W plus phantom and any other overhead (LEDs, etc).  Class A capable of driving 600 ohm will do that do you; the IC inamps all have class AB outputs.

Maybe worth a try if you are already committed to reasonable sized external battery solutions.

FWIW I can run the RNP, phantom on, with an external Li-On for 4hrs.  Not great, but not bad.  It's a pretty small package for a gear bag. 

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2012, 06:33:55 PM »
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2012, 08:33:16 AM »
http://www.lake-people.de/index.php?id=2&lang=eng&typ=1&nr=c360

I emailed www.lake-people.de to ask for pricing on their 2 channel preamp, and they responded saying the  MIC-AMP C360 is 500 euro, excluding any VAT. 
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2012, 12:14:01 PM »
I still don't know anyone who ever used one.  have always been curious, though

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2012, 05:07:03 PM »
This thread is crazy. Now we can add the LittleBox to the list of pres that are OUT of production :( Im SOOO HAPPY I grabbed one of the last 10 ;D
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2012, 11:18:35 AM »
Wish I would have. The option to use half the phantom power made it great for my mics... not to mention the sound.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2012, 03:02:26 PM »
How about Aerco(still available?), Edirol UA-5(discontinued), Church Audio(various models still available), Core Sound(still availavle)
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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2012, 04:30:22 PM »
How about Aerco(still available?), Edirol UA-5(discontinued), Church Audio(various models still available), Core Sound(still availavle)

The Aerco and UA-5 are already on the list and the Church's don't do P48.  The Core Sound fits the bill, though (anybody ever tried one of those?)...

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2012, 03:41:48 PM »
I've been shopping the inexpensive USB bus powered 2 channels like..

Focusrite Scarlett 2i2

Presonus Audiobox USB

M-Audio FastTrack Pro 4x4

According to both Focusrite and Presonus neither of these models operate in standalone mode tho both of them didnt; really seem %100 sure... silly. Sadly I don't have the spare $$ to test them out.

Apparently this does standalone..

UA-55 QUAD-CAPTURE



Certainly it doesn't blow like the Fast Track Pro. I've read about replacing the op amps for more warmth but it doesn;t do it for me out-of-the-box in live situations. Seems like it would be fantastic for drum overheads... if one thing sizzled over everything it was the cymbals! oy....


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« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2012, 03:18:33 PM »
^^  Interesting that they charge sales tax for shipments to Florida
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« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2012, 07:45:18 PM »
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2012, 08:30:51 PM »
 :hmmm:  I have a V3 & a Portico 5012 that I'm not using much anymore.  :hmmm:
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2012, 12:02:25 AM »
:hmmm:  I have a V3 & a Portico 5012 that I'm not using much anymore.  :hmmm:

I'll trade you my V3 for your Portico 5012.  Who wouldn't want 2 V3's?
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2012, 08:21:09 AM »
:hmmm:  I have a V3 & a Portico 5012 that I'm not using much anymore.  :hmmm:

I'll trade you my V3 for your Portico 5012.  Who wouldn't want 2 V3's?

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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2012, 11:05:30 AM »
Wish I could afford to play in your guy's sandbox! I'm all looking into modding my Fast Track Pro... lol.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2012, 11:37:56 PM »
^Yeah I noticed that too...Posthorn still has it listed as well but I'm sure it's just new old stock.

It would be sweet if they would come out with a Denecke AD-24.

I used to love running the PS-2/AD-20 combo.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2012, 10:37:54 AM »
Anyone ever use pres from sound professionals?  Check out the second and third items on the list below.

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category/540/mics
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2012, 10:50:18 AM »
Anyone ever use pres from sound professionals?  Check out the second and third items on the list below.

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category/540/mics

The 4th one resembles a TB. Only 6V PIP though, and they don't say what kind of battery it uses...
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2012, 06:09:14 PM »
Yeah, they really took quite a bit from the faceplate and box design of the Tinybox.  They could have added just a little originality in that department. 
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #76 on: July 05, 2012, 01:12:45 AM »
Maybe they, Naiant included, all pick a similar generic exterior design and build from there?
You know like Busman~> Avantone~> Peluso~> a lot of chinese rebranded mics all have a similar look/design
on the mic sheath with the innards being different.


That would be my guess.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #77 on: July 05, 2012, 01:24:39 AM »
Maybe they, Naiant included, all pick a similar generic exterior design and build from there?
You know like Busman~> Avantone~> Peluso~> a lot of chinese rebranded mics all have a similar look/design
on the mic sheath with the innards being different.


That would be my guess.

You are correct sir. I believe they both shop at Mouser.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2012, 11:12:54 AM »
Maybe they, Naiant included, all pick a similar generic exterior design and build from there?
You know like Busman~> Avantone~> Peluso~> a lot of chinese rebranded mics all have a similar look/design
on the mic sheath with the innards being different.


That would be my guess.

You are correct sir. I believe they both shop at Mouser.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2012, 10:40:18 PM »
I use the same series Hammond extruded aluminum enclosure in my Tube PS's as Naiant does and many others at the present.
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Re: Pres still in production
« Reply #80 on: July 06, 2012, 06:43:28 AM »
^Yeah I noticed that too...Posthorn still has it listed as well but I'm sure it's just new old stock.

It would be sweet if they would come out with a Denecke AD-24.

I used to love running the PS-2/AD-20 combo.
I still carry this combo to festivals as a backup to the v3 (and for comp fun when I get bored on the 2nd or 3rd day  ;)

I run my PS-2/AD-20 combo all the time into a iRiver BitBucket...even made a cable to power the PS-2 with a Tekkeon for ADK TL's and Avenson STO's (both are power HOGS)...I found the clocks are almost perfectly synced between my Fostex FR2LE an the Denecke for Stage/Aud and SNB/Aud mixes
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