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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2012, 02:53:58 PM »
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2012, 02:55:06 PM »
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2012, 02:58:25 PM »
I think it's in reference to your other question about a top-shelf cardioid mic.

Oh, as opposed to a hypercardioid, you mean? Sorry, when I said cardioids, I meant the whole spectrum of wides to hypers.

As it happens, I thought I probably would end up with a pure cardioid, but Acidjack has kind of convinced me that I'll like the 41 more than the 4.

I told you this via PM also, but I second hi and lo's comment re the 41Vs.

If you look at the freq response charts:

http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/mk41/graphics 
http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/mk41v/graphics

The V has a slight rise at 10kHz.... very slight...

Nothing like the much more significant rise at 5kHz that the 4V has: http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/mk4v/graphics
or the MK5: http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/mk5/graphics

Also, the greater directionality of the 41 series mics generally gives you less of a need for that HF bump when taping...
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2012, 04:12:04 PM »
I agrees acid jack and go the mk41/mk41v/ccm41v route
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2012, 04:19:48 PM »
Well it's not an on/off switch, but yes it is more noticeable at 0dBV.  However, distortion is measured with steady amplitude sine waves but program material is not like that.  So a -10dBV RMS recording will have +6dBV peak, or more.  That means the LF peaks in the recording will saturate the same as a +3dBV RMS sine wave. 

Actually with the PA rock music I record, the peaks are only 6-8db higher than the average level -- not much dynamic range.  :-\

I've been shooting for an average output of about 0dbV, thinking that would get me mainly in the range of 0-6dbV for saturation effects.  Sounds like that might get me into the circa 6dbV and beyond range and getting some serious LF distortion.  Maybe dialing it back just a bit is a good idea.

If you push the level much beyond +6dBV the LF peaks will get seriously bent, which may be what you want.  It's kind of fun to watch on a scope . . . which probably just means I need a hobby  :-[

Odd, I was thinking that sounded like fun for a hobby.
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2012, 07:05:35 AM »
I own 41v and they are great caps i ran 41s for years and switched over to 41v when i had the chance of a life time to get them.I run them up close (FOB) in the back they always do good,with the leomosax or with the vms5u is a smoker.
http://archive.org/details/paf2011-12-10
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http://archive.org/details/Dumpsta2012-02-09


I think it's in reference to your other question about a top-shelf cardioid mic.

Oh, as opposed to a hypercardioid, you mean? Sorry, when I said cardioids, I meant the whole spectrum of wides to hypers.

As it happens, I thought I probably would end up with a pure cardioid, but Acidjack has kind of convinced me that I'll like the 41 more than the 4.

And because there is exactly one person on this board that owns 41vs (to my knowledge), because there very few sources for that capsule on the archive, and because it is Schoeps most expensive capsule. If you can afford it, by all means, but given it's limited availability to audition, I don't think it is necessarily wise to consider as a first capsule purchase. ymmv

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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2012, 08:19:17 AM »
^^^ Sound-wise, how do you think they compare/contrast to the regular 41s?

Your recordings would seem to confirm they don't have the HF emphasis that the 4Vs do.  Beautiful low end though - maybe even richer than the 41s.
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2012, 12:29:41 PM »
I have a littlebox, with an unusual mod for my T12 powered mics, usually run on "low power".  I run it off a 9.6v RC car battery.  It's an 8 cell NiMH shrinkwrapped together.  I don't remember the miAH, but it's a lot less than a DVD battery, maybe 2600 or something like that.

I charged up an RC battery, check with voltmeter, it says about 10.5v.  Do a typical evening show... 3 hours or so.   Checked it with a voltmeter, still right up there, did another evening show.  And another show.  After the 3rd night on the same charge, the battery is down to 9.3 or something like that.  It probably would have gone another night, but I decided it was time to put it on the charger.  I'm confident I can get "all day" with one battery in a festival setting.
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2012, 12:47:13 PM »
In an unrelated incident...  I had a flakey battery cable going to the RC car battery, and I had 4xAA batteries in the internal tray, which had been in there for a long time.  One night at a show, without my realizing it, the RC car battery apparently lost connection, and it failed over to the AA's.  The AA's were pretty worn out, and the recording died slowly an hour later.  Now I have a set of AA's in my bag, but not inserted into the littlebox.  If I have another external battery problem, I want to know about it.  I'll hopefully notice it kicking in/out during setup, and then I'll switch over to AA's consciously.  Failover of any hardware/software system is a good thing, but I want to KNOW it's failed over.
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2012, 12:48:21 PM »
Your recordings would seem to confirm they don't have the HF emphasis that the 4Vs do.  Beautiful low end though - maybe even richer than the 41s.

The plots would suggest similar findings.
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2012, 01:48:19 PM »
Kingkita has no clue wtf he's talkin about. Mk41s rule ur face mon :)
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2012, 02:07:58 PM »
Related question- what is approximate charge time of a fully or nearly depleted battery on the tinybox?

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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2012, 04:32:37 PM »
Related question- what is approximate charge time of a fully or nearly depleted battery on the tinybox?

Approx 3-4 hours. Probably closer to 3... not long to say the least. I had to re-charge my TB v2.0 from a red-light just the other day.

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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2012, 07:59:14 PM »
Related question- what is approximate charge time of a fully or nearly depleted battery on the tinybox?

Approx 3-4 hours. Probably closer to 3... not long to say the least. I had to re-charge my TB v2.0 from a red-light just the other day.
does anyone know how charged the battery is when you first get it from jon?
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Re: Naiant tinybox/littlebox battery times and related questions
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2012, 07:14:58 PM »
I didn't do a scientific study, but I ran the Tinybox (w output transformers) with MK41's (no bodies) at Rockygrass from around noon till 11PM Saturday, with the very occasional shutdown. A couple hours of charging Sunday morning and it was good to go all day Sunday as well. That's some amazing shit. And the M10 ran all day with 3 bars on a pair of AA's.
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