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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2012, 01:20:48 AM »
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2012, 10:16:35 PM »
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2012, 04:58:27 PM »
the more i think about the R-88 the more i think i don't need it.   ???   ;D

i am almost never in situations where i need more than a stereo pair of mics.  i love my R-44, but i usually use it to run two stereo pairs.  i'm either comparing how two sets of mics perform in the same conditions or am running two pair because i can't decide which mics to use.  i really don't see myself running 6 or 8 mics unless i start doing the kind of stuff that Gutbucket does on a regular basis.  the R-44 is plenty of machine for doing the type of stuff that i do. 

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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2012, 02:50:24 PM »
the more i think about the R-88 the more i think i don't need it.   ???   ;D

i am almost never in situations where i need more than a stereo pair of mics.  i love my R-44, but i usually use it to run two stereo pairs.  i'm either comparing how two sets of mics perform in the same conditions or am running two pair because i can't decide which mics to use.  i really don't see myself running 6 or 8 mics unless i start doing the kind of stuff that Gutbucket does on a regular basis.  the R-44 is plenty of machine for doing the type of stuff that i do. 

Yeah, but if you're running mics and patching SBDs, now you have two choices you didn't used to have. You can run stereo pair of mics and patch the stereo out of the SBD like you did with your R44, but now you can also run your mics while (1) patching the stereo outs of SBD plus nab 4 direct outs of SBD too, or (2) run your stereo pair plus patch six direct outs from the SBD. Hardly any more additional work, and only requires a few more cables, so for folks finding themselves in those situations with friendly FOH, that could be very useful.
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2012, 09:03:40 PM »
The price on audio recorders is something very peculiar IMO. I know there are different manufacturer and different R&D groups with different marketing strategies, but how is it the R-44 is now over a grand and the R-88 is $2500. Compare this to the Marantz PMD-661 which goes for $500-600, which as been in that same range as long as I have known about this recorder. The fostex FR-2LE can't sell for $275 here in the yard sale but it's $600 at B&H.
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2013, 09:25:49 AM »
The price on audio recorders is something very peculiar IMO. I know there are different manufacturer and different R&D groups with different marketing strategies, but how is it the R-44 is now over a grand and the R-88 is $2500. Compare this to the Marantz PMD-661 which goes for $500-600, which as been in that same range as long as I have known about this recorder. The fostex FR-2LE can't sell for $275 here in the yard sale but it's $600 at B&H.


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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2013, 09:58:04 AM »
The price on audio recorders is something very peculiar IMO. I know there are different manufacturer and different R&D groups with different marketing strategies, but how is it the R-44 is now over a grand and the R-88 is $2500. Compare this to the Marantz PMD-661 which goes for $500-600, which as been in that same range as long as I have known about this recorder. The fostex FR-2LE can't sell for $275 here in the yard sale but it's $600 at B&H.

Price is based on features, quailty, brand, etc

I don't know why Roland increased the price of the r-44
I don't know why Sound Devices increased their prices either

But with it's feature set the R-88 has it's a great deal - but IMO the tascam hs-p82 is a better buy at $1k more

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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2013, 01:07:59 PM »
[quote author=H₂O link=topic=158021.msg2022820#msg2022820 date=1361199484

But with it's feature set the R-88 has it's a great deal - but IMO the tascam hs-p82 is a better buy at $1k more

This product is angled at film/production mid range
[/quote]

Why do you say the Tascam is a better buy for $1k more?  Just curious.
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2013, 04:04:13 PM »
Why do you say the Tascam is a better buy for $1k more?  Just curious.


  • 8 digi-in(with selectable realtime sample rate conversion) - you can run AES42 mics into this unit with an external phantom supply
  • 8 digi-out
  • large adjustable color touch screen display (the R-88 is fixed and black and white)
  • Dual CF Card with mirroring and rollover support
  • very high quality pre amps with Gain in the Analog domain - don't know about the R-88 but if they are the same as the stock R-44 then they probably aren't as good
  • idiot proof interface - much better then the Sonosax, SD7xx series, etc (I have used all of these)
  • 5 seconds of pre-record buffer at all sampling rates and channels (no idea on the R-88)
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2013, 05:25:41 PM »
I know these will eventually come down in price, but right now as an R44 owner it makes economic sense to buy a second R44 and a cable to slave them together.
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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2013, 12:10:29 PM »
I know these will eventually come down in price, but right now as an R44 owner it makes economic sense to buy a second R44 and a cable to slave them together.

Unless you connect them via SPDIF they will not be clock-synced, and when you do that directly between two R-44s you will only have 6 unique channels as opposed to 8.  In order to clock-sync all 8 channels you need to use another device like a USBPre.

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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2013, 12:24:25 PM »
I know these will eventually come down in price, but right now as an R44 owner it makes economic sense to buy a second R44 and a cable to slave them together.

Unless you connect them via SPDIF they will not be clock-synced, and when you do that directly between two R-44s you will only have 6 unique channels as opposed to 8.  In order to clock-sync all 8 channels you need to use another device like a USBPre.

walstib62 and I have synched up our R-44's many times, and can report that the clocks surely DO synch, only the machines start up at different times so you will have to shift the slave machine's starting point in post.

We have matrixed 8 channels many times.  I really see a second R-44 in my future.


As per the R-88, what the use is mixing on the machine when you can't adjust delay????
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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2013, 10:13:00 PM »
Unless you connect them via SPDIF they will not be clock-synced, and when you do that directly between two R-44s you will only have 6 unique channels as opposed to 8.  In order to clock-sync all 8 channels you need to use another device like a USBPre.

walstib62 and I have synched up our R-44's many times, and can report that the clocks surely DO synch, only the machines start up at different times so you will have to shift the slave machine's starting point in post.

We have matrixed 8 channels many times.  I really see a second R-44 in my future.

This is where your field experience and mine will diverge.  I have also synced my R-44 many times with acidjack's as well as running tests with just a 1/8" TRS cable to master>slave them and they have NEVER clock-synced 8 (or 6) tracks unless we have connected the SPDIF either directly or through another device running as a master clock (a USBPre); I'm not talking about an analog patch, mind you.  I suppose this is one of those "YMMV" situations.  Pretty sure this may have also been addressed in the R-44 thread without any solid confirmation either way from Roland but I can't recall.

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Re: Roland R-88
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2013, 04:40:34 AM »
Unless you connect them via SPDIF they will not be clock-synced, and when you do that directly between two R-44s you will only have 6 unique channels as opposed to 8.  In order to clock-sync all 8 channels you need to use another device like a USBPre.

walstib62 and I have synched up our R-44's many times, and can report that the clocks surely DO synch, only the machines start up at different times so you will have to shift the slave machine's starting point in post.

We have matrixed 8 channels many times.  I really see a second R-44 in my future.

This is where your field experience and mine will diverge.  I have also synced my R-44 many times with acidjack's as well as running tests with just a 1/8" TRS cable to master>slave them and they have NEVER clock-synced 8 (or 6) tracks unless we have connected the SPDIF either directly or through another device running as a master clock (a USBPre); I'm not talking about an analog patch, mind you.  I suppose this is one of those "YMMV" situations.  Pretty sure this may have also been addressed in the R-44 thread without any solid confirmation either way from Roland but I can't recall.

Damn, that sure is strange.

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