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Which preamp sounds better to you?

I prefer preamp 1
8 (42.1%)
I prefer preamp 2
10 (52.6%)
I can't tell the difference
0 (0%)
I like them both equally
1 (5.3%)

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Author Topic: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly (new samples)  (Read 19940 times)

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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2013, 05:21:17 PM »
I feel that most of the sweetness comes from good mics. Good preamps should just amplify that.

Amen to that when talking about this categroy of relatively simple IC based transformerless preamps where the ideal is simply clean gain with appropriate bandwidth and low noise.
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2013, 05:23:05 PM »
I would think they both measure flat in the audio band as a practical matter...

Thanks for the technical run down on that, Jon.
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2013, 11:16:03 PM »
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Guys, can we stay on the topic of Tinyhead vs. Ugly.

fine..
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2013, 12:02:10 AM »
^^

Guys, can we stay on the topic of Tinyhead vs. Ugly.   :)  You've both made your points and I'm pretty sure neither are going to change them so I'm going to interject before we start going in circles.

An interesting poll for its own thread, however, would be whether comps like this are valid or not.
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2013, 12:43:48 AM »
A true test would be to run on a stand, as vertical as possible to one another and have the exact same chain minus the preamp. But I love comps just the way they are
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2013, 12:44:11 AM »
Usually comps have some value.  The trick here is the difference is larger than what should be expected so it doesn't necessarily have good predictive value for others.  At a minimum there would need to be more tests, ideally with better controls.  For example, a test with stand-mounted coincident mics should limit the expected difference to the frequency indicated by the distance between the caps.  That should be above 10kHz.  Then you switch pairs of mics at a break.  Any other difference observed should be attributable to some physical characteristic of the mic/preamp system.

Fair enough.  Maybe a disclaimer, but not the whole discussion in this thread.  I believe Bryon is going to do another outing and get more samples to post before revealing the answers as well.

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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2013, 08:29:22 AM »
Usually comps have some value.  The trick here is the difference is larger than what should be expected so it doesn't necessarily have good predictive value for others.  At a minimum there would need to be more tests, ideally with better controls.  For example, a test with stand-mounted coincident mics should limit the expected difference to the frequency indicated by the distance between the caps.  That should be above 10kHz.  Then you switch pairs of mics at a break.  Any other difference observed should be attributable to some physical characteristic of the mic/preamp system.

Fair enough.  Maybe a disclaimer, but not the whole discussion in this thread.  I believe Bryon is going to do another outing and get more samples to post before revealing the answers as well.

I believe BSos said enough when he described his process...  He stated right up front that this was pretty informal...

And I think there is value, even in comps like this.  We get a feel for how each functions in the setting as described by Bryon.  It may not be scientific/accurate/whatever, but I think we can all make educated estimates here...

That being said, more comps wouldn't hurt...   ;D

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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2013, 06:29:01 PM »
I think both are quite different and I can't really determine which I prefer with my earbuds at work.


As for microphone comps, is there an ideal instrument to record or should a verse be sang A cappella style?
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2013, 08:38:35 PM »
Hey, dudes, take it easy... It's a simple comparison, which one do you prefer and why, that's all folks. No one is going to stop buying CA / Naiant preamps only because one of them gets 3 times more votes than the other, right? Take it easy. Music recording is a part of our appreciation of the music itself, which is an Art, and therefore subjective, and all opinions are equally valid. Take it easy, enjoy the discussion, enjoy the music. Peace. I might have drunk a little, but I stand by everything I've writteN! :)
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2013, 09:01:43 PM »
???

Was a post from earlier deleted?  I checked earlier and there was something about #2 being done the exact correct way but I cant find it now... Im confused.   
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2013, 09:17:28 PM »
???

Was a post from earlier deleted?  I checked earlier and there was something about #2 being done the exact correct way but I cant find it now... Im confused.

Yeah, it was a post from Church...  He was laughing that if it turned out #2 was the Ugly, he views the Comp as just fine...  It was in good humor I thought, but I can see why he would delete it...  :P

I don't really think it makes much of a difference, honestly.  I think both samples sounded great and I would be happy with either preamp...  It's like comparing Toyotas to Hondas...  Damn fine cars, but each has its own flavor... 

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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2013, 10:51:56 PM »
So when do we find out which is which?
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2013, 12:20:16 AM »
Toyotas and Hondas both suck, but then so does every car I've ever owned, so . . .

There is a difference between a "damn fine car" and a "damn fine automobile"...  Ts and Hs are DFCs...  A Bugatti Veyron is a DFA...

I think we agree...

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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2013, 03:23:26 AM »
So when do we find out which is which?

I'm going to open tape UM tonight and post some new samples. I'll do the reveal a couple days later.
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Re: Naiant Tinyhead vs. CA-Ugly
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2013, 03:28:59 AM »
So when do we find out which is which?

I'm going to open tape UM tonight and post some new samples. I'll do the reveal a couple days later.

Is there an option (aka splitting the mics' signal into 2 recorders or a 4 channel recorder) to record the exact same portions of songs simultaneously in order to make the comparison, instead of unplugging one amp and plugging the other one a couple of seconds later? It's obviously easier & fairer to compare them that way, although I suppose (and understand) you want to avoid the hassle :)
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