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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2013, 08:52:43 PM »
Love the mic Pron Gut...any chance to listen to the results? Hell I'd love to hear each individual track to see how it builds up (to 5.1 Surround?).
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2013, 11:49:56 AM »
I'm all set to record Avishai Cohen Thursday night here in J-town (I e-mailed management on a whim, offering to record which they accepted and comped my entry). I'm likely going to use a Schoeps mk22 and mk8 in a mid/side array from dead center stage lip.
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Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk4v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Schoeps VMS 02iub, Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2013, 11:56:21 AM »
Avishai is sick, if mgmt. Allows please share

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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2013, 12:37:04 PM »
I'm all set to record Avishai Cohen Thursday night here in J-town (I e-mailed management on a whim, offering to record which they accepted and comped my entry). I'm likely going to use a Schoeps mk22 and mk8 in a mid/side array from dead center stage lip.
Nice! I saw him with John Scofield.... very amazing!
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2013, 02:31:03 PM »
Hypno, I can probably get my raw tracks to you all to play around with.  Artist plans on stopping by tomorrow to hear it played back directly from the DR680 through my surround system.  I listened last night and needed to adjust channel balance slightly to reduce the level of the left channel and should probably bring up the bass EQ a couple dB to compensate for the roll-off in the response of the supercardioids in all channels except the Center, which would otherwise get to thick on the kick, but nothing major.  It's five direct channels, L/C/R/Ls/Rs no sixth .1 LFE channel. 

There was also a friend taping with his two channel rig (the taller stand visible to the right of my setup in the photos) and another shooting video. Ironically, one of the musicians is a music professor at a nearby university and asked the video guy not YouTube the smokin' encore version of So What, due to some technical mistake I missed but which he doesn't want his advanced graduate students to give him a hard time about. No wide distibution of that one at least.
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2013, 04:41:36 PM »
I love omnis on stage, up to three or four of them across the front, when possible  :)

Here's an old photo for you.. four DPA 4060s gaffer taped to welding rods bent into gentle curve.  Designed to be gaffer taped vertically to the stage-lip, spaced at 3-4' intervals across the front of the stage, so that they extend up a few feet and back over the stage a few feet.  This photo shows them laid out on the shop floor after I taped them up, the afternoon before a MMW show (I think, maybe that was for Charlie Hunter).  They are nearly invisible from the audience during the performance.



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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2013, 04:54:06 PM »
Found a photo of three of those rod-mounted omnis setup for use, along with the ADK TLs in Blumlien, taken about a year and a half ago in the same room as the more recent photos I posted above.  The camera flash makes them obvious in the photo, but the band didn't even realize the stalk mounted omnis were there for months.. until eventually noticing I was taping something else up besides the big mics.  This photo was taken before I drilled and tapped the other two feet of the folding three-leg lightstand base to attach the TLs in the triangular configuration I'm currently using there.
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2013, 04:55:50 PM »
Great stuff Gutbucket!
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2013, 04:57:43 PM »
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #84 on: February 26, 2013, 05:04:07 PM »
Thanks guys.
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #85 on: February 26, 2013, 07:29:15 PM »
Thanks, Gutbucket, this is very interesting, especially with the photos and the diagrams: maybe there is more than stereo!
At least that's what I understand from all your posts in this thread and others!
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2013, 02:06:23 PM »
Avishai Cohen was a big success. I ran mk22/mk8 MS onstage.

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Avishai Cohen Trio - February 28, 2013: Zapa; Jerusalem, Israel

Avishai Cohen - Bass, Vocals
Nitai Hershkowitz - Piano
Jorge Rossi - Drums, Percussion

Source:
Recorded from the stage lip, DFC
Schoeps mk22 [mid] / mk8 [side]> KCY Cable> Naiant Littlebox> Sony m10 @ 24bit / 96kHz

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Recorded by Noah B. Bickart <noahbickart@post.harvard.edu>

1 Signature (Avishai & Nitai)
2 Cris Cross (Avishai & Nitai)
3 Avishai Speaks
4 Samuel (Trio)
5 Ballad for an Unborn (Trio)
6 Variations (Trio)
7 4 Verses (Trio)
8 El HaTzipur (Trio)
9 7 Seas (Trio)
10 Crowd Noise
11 "?" (Avishai Solo)
12 Alfonsina y el Mar (Avishai Solo)
13 Morenika (Avishai & Nitai)
14 "?" (Trio)
15 Besame Mucho
16 Remembering
« Last Edit: March 02, 2013, 07:23:23 PM by noahbickart »
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk4v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Schoeps VMS 02iub, Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6, Sony PCM m10

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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2013, 05:02:39 PM »
I love this thread and reading about more advanced tehniques of which I know I'm not capable of executing with any success, both becuase I neither have sufficient gear nor the technical expertise.  From my perspective a simple stero pair on stage or a stero pair flanked by a less directional pair like subs or omnis works wonders in my world.  Quite honestly, I usually prefer the simple stereo pair centered than I do the mixdowns of a split pair, but I think that's partly because I know I have hearing damage due to too many shows and partly because I don't have much confidence in my eq abilities (again largely this goes back to hearing damage and lack of technical knowledge to navigate the frequency spectrum).

Anyway, gutbucket you and I met at the mmw show pre-jamcruise last month (I was running the schoeps 4-mic active set with tony frisa from nyc) and I was very much impressed with your surround array.  Would love to listen to the end results one of these days before my hearing goes completely to the shitter.  On stage recording is certainly my preferred approach and I salute all that support on stage taping.  I'll be at Blue Note in NYC tonight recording Bill Evans Soulgrass w/ medeski, cininger, mbappe, etc on stage w/ sbd matrix for bill's mgmt. Co roundhouse (big ups to ted gak for hookin' that up!!) and though I doubt I can circulate if I can I will (also got the tuesday 2/26 show w/ kraz).

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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2013, 01:07:33 AM »
Lookin good Noah :) I need one of those MS Screens :)
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Re: on-stage taping
« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2013, 07:07:59 AM »
Lookin good Noah :) I need one of those MS Screens :)

I've got an extra one, which I'll give you if you buy my mk8/mk6
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk4v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Schoeps VMS 02iub, Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6, Sony PCM m10

Home Playback: Mytek DSD 192> McIntosh MC162> Eminent Tech LFT-16; Musical Fidelity xCan v2> Hifiman HE-4XX / Beyerdynamic DT880

Office Playback: Grace m903> AKG k701 / Hifiman HE-400

 

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