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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2013, 06:21:10 AM »
GF technique>gut feeling. cards spread on stage is my preference if space allows. If a solo drummer i usually go almost as wide as drumset with mics thenkicked outat a GF angle i think needs to be. I do this all the time>always record in mono>allows me to pan easily a separation that sounds nice to my ears in post. The image below i use poles on stage as my separtion. Ted are clamped on. I ran his 414 for this https://archive.org/details/mc2012-05-26.mtx.flac16bottom image is 3 mics and their mic run into v2  

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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 10:32:40 PM »
I'm diggin' that Straybirds setup and recording.
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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2014, 12:55:29 AM »
Ive never really been a fan of XY. It usually doesnt have that wide stereo angle most of us tapers prefer..
I'd agree usually XY does not offer the stereo image separation..

Totally with you guys if we're talking X/Y cards and they are the only pair.  Works really well to fill the hole between a pair of wide spaced mics though.  Also, Blumlein is a good exception (X/Y 8's).
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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2014, 02:06:08 AM »
On stage I XY if it is a single performer and ORTF if there is a band. 

I am more curious about your success recording at GAMH more than your question about mic technique.  Don't you get hassled by the venue?

At times I echo ziko's GF technique, but only rarely and when stage arrangement is super awkward.
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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2014, 08:09:15 PM »
For these shows I knew the sound guy & I'm friends with the band. Otherwise, yes, it isnt the best place to try & record a show, although supposedly it is 'whatever the bands recording policy is'. They wont let you bring a mic stand in, you can only record from the side balcony, unless you want to stealth on the floor.

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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2016, 08:55:55 AM »
I don't know if it's an option or not but recently I've run cards ortf in the center of the stage and omnis split to mix w the sbd. You don't necessarily need to use them all in post but it's nice to have them.

This is what i do alot, but with split subcards and NOS cards, with great results.

What is the split on the subs?

I'm trying to determine if running a stage lip setup for a local 'americana' band is the easiest way for them to get
material for a live album. I've done SB/AUD but got a little delay, and haven't gotten good at alignment.
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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2016, 08:57:41 AM »
I don't know if it's an option or not but recently I've run cards ortf in the center of the stage and omnis split to mix w the sbd. You don't necessarily need to use them all in post but it's nice to have them.

This is what i do alot, but with split subcards and NOS cards, with great results.

What is the split on the subs?

I'm trying to determine if running a stage lip setup for a local 'americana' band is the easiest way for them to get
material for a live album. I've done SB/AUD but got a little delay, and haven't gotten good at alignment.

Depends on the stage set up and position of the instrument amps.
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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2016, 10:21:41 AM »
Probably not a lot to go by, but they have lead, bass, slide, fiddle, keys, and drums, and their footprint is very small. Probably somewhere around 30 feet, give or take. Part of that might be the venues, but they seem to stay tight even when they have more room. Amps are behind each of the strings, but usually the keys amp is forward. Slide, violin, and lead across the front, keys to the outside a little behind the slide. Bass and drums at the back.

I guess I was wondering if you meant a 30 inch split or a 20 foot split on the subs.
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Re: SBD/AUD. Matrix - on stage mic placement
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2016, 10:23:06 AM »
Probably not a lot to go by, but they have lead, bass, slide, fiddle, keys, and drums, and their footprint is very small. Probably somewhere around 30 feet, give or take. Part of that might be the venues, but they seem to stay tight even when they have more room. Amps are behind each of the strings, but usually the keys amp is forward. Slide, violin, and lead across the front, keys to the outside a little behind the slide. Bass and drums at the back.

I guess I was wondering if you meant a 30 inch split or a 20 foot split on the subs.

usually 10-20 feet depending.
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