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new deck advice please
« on: January 14, 2014, 11:14:00 AM »
Hi, after a 10 year hiatus i would like to get out and tape some shows. I assume my DA-P1 is an ancient artifact by now, so what do want exactly? I've got some advice but am curious what you guys think. Thank you!

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2014, 04:00:54 PM »
Sony PCM-M10 is the most popular small 2-channel deck

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2014, 04:38:21 PM »
Thanks but im thinking something a few steps up from that with some Oade mods. Still i appreciate your time.

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2014, 04:40:22 PM »
Schoeps MK4's, MK41's> KCY 250/5 Ig> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2014, 04:44:36 PM »
The R-44 JBell pointed you to is an excellent choice. Rugged, four-channel, reliable.

If you want something a bit smaller, the Roland R-26 is also four-channel, but with only two of them providing 48V phantom. Still, you can do an SBD feed for channels 3&4, or use an outboard pre.

I don't think many Oade mods are being done on newer decks, but if you wanted something smallish, I think Oade mods the Marantz PMD661, and by all accounts that's a nice 2-channel P48 machine.

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2014, 04:49:48 PM »
Do folks still rely upon mods (Oade Bros., Busman, or otherwise) in recorders these days?  I just don't hear a lot of discussion about it (at least not like 5 years ago).  I think a lot of folks are happy enough with stock decks.

But, by all means, get a deck you are happy with.  2-channel, no phantom power - Sony PCM-M10 would be (and is) my choice.  If I needed phantom power, I'd probably go with the R-44 or maybe Tascam DR-680.  If money were no object, a Sound Devices SD744T
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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2014, 05:14:50 PM »
I wasnt being disrespectful of anyones advice im just so out of the loop i did't realize that something so small and inexpensive could replace the 15 lbs of preamps,external batts and recording deck on my portabag. Ill def check it out, thanks guys.

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2014, 05:56:02 PM »
I love the m10 in my view on life, it's the most reliable piece of gear in that price range, I love mine. ( yes at the price and size it kicks butt) if you don't want to use preamps then a tascam dr-40 is no bad choice, or maybe an edirol r26. A step up Is the tascam dr680 or r44, both are great. Then like vanark said the 744 or 722 is the best thing in the world.

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2014, 07:04:54 PM »
540faction -- what mics/etc would you plan on running?  You might also be surprised by the developments in 3rd party active cable solutions and the advent of the tiny box/pfa as alternatives to mic bodies.

I'm pulling some really satisfying tapes running schoeps MK4>modKC5>naint tinybox>m10 (or MK4>modkc5>naint pfa adaptors>oadeM148>m10 -- the m10 has (imo) decent a>d converters and good ergonomics --

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2014, 02:49:08 AM »
If u have a huge budget, since I'm a schoeps guy, I would recommend schoeps>KCY/NBob actives>preamp>m10

If you're just doing two channel and have a budget, the m10 is a no brainier. But if you're looking for an all in one and can't afford the 744/r44, I would recommend an oade modded marantz 661

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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2014, 03:22:56 PM »
For strictly 2-channel, also worth consideration:  Tascam HD-P2 and Fostex FR-2LE.  I think the FR-2LE sounds mighty fine right out of the box.  I had an Oade-mod HD-P2 at some point, and it sounded fantastic.  You might also consider Busmna mods.  Chris Busman has done analog mods to some decks, similar to Oade Bros -- op amp upgrades, etc.

There's a Busman-modded HD-P2 in the Yard Sale.  And a stock FR-2LE, also.

Powering both is easy (RC NiMH or a variety of li-on), though I like the ability to store the FR-2LE RC battery inside the unit, rather than use an external li-ion as required by the HD-P2.  Check the Remote Power forum for some discussion around 'DVD batteries' for use as external power for a variety of decks.
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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2014, 03:29:49 PM »
Do folks still rely upon mods (Oade Bros., Busman, or otherwise) in recorders these days?  I just don't hear a lot of discussion about it (at least not like 5 years ago).  I think a lot of folks are happy enough with stock decks.

I think that fad (and the value proposition of it) may have faded some, for sure.

And just for the OP's benefit, the M10 cannot replace a DAP1, because it doesn't provide onboard phantom power and it lacks XLR connectors, among other things. Making analogies to that era's gear, it's more a replacement of the D100/M1 than of a DAP1. If you want an all-in-one box, the best 2-channel options are the PMD661 and the FR-2LE that Brian mentioned, and if you want four channels under $1000, the Roland R-26 or R-44.
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Re: new deck advice please
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2014, 05:20:35 PM »
Wow! Thanks for the the help guys, the gear Brian mentioned is more what i have in mind. Thanks again.

 

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