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Recording hat
« on: March 28, 2014, 03:20:39 AM »
I saw a thread that had a link for a hat that had holes for small omnis. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Need to find this thing and am having trouble finding it.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2014, 04:11:00 AM »
This? Has lots of holes, but not for mics to stick through, just acoustically transparent:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kangol-Tropic-Ventair-Black-Small/dp/B000GZDFV0

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2014, 06:10:25 AM »
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-HMS-1

I use the Kangol. Probably more versatile than the Sound Pro's hat. Looks like the SP hat is custom for their mics.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2014, 11:06:04 AM »
+3 on the Kangol 504.  That's what a whole bunch of us use.  No, I'm not Sam Jackson or LL Cool J but it works ... and works well.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2014, 11:58:47 AM »
Any action shots of the Kangol?

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2014, 01:40:05 PM »
The Ventair is legendary , but this might be what the OP was asking about - the ball cap with holes near the top for mini omni mics to stick out through.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2014, 07:22:23 PM »
Take a $5 hat, without even a logo for God's sake, poke a couple of holes in, and I assume add grommets...and voila - $45. ;D

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2014, 08:27:47 PM »
+3 on the Kangol 504.  That's what a whole bunch of us use.  No, I'm not Sam Jackson or LL Cool J but it works ... and works well.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2014, 12:56:32 AM »
Where's a good place in the US for a Kangol?
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2014, 09:16:58 AM »
+3 on the Kangol 504.  That's what a whole bunch of us use.  No, I'm not Sam Jackson or LL Cool J but it works ... and works well.
 

The Sound Pro's hat blows. The Kangol rules!

First the Sound Pro's looks stupid with the mics sticking out and is not stealthy. Second the grommets on mine almost immediately came loose from the material. Third and perhaps most critical, when you want to use omnis, you are not using your head as a baffle with the Sound Pro's so the recording won't sound nearly as good as it would if you used the Kangol. The Kangol material is acoustically transparent (at least to my ears), so you don't need to worry about the mics being covered by material.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2014, 09:34:54 AM »
I use a modified version of this.  I wear it everywhere I go so no one ever gives me a second glance.  My cap reads $T3LTH.  with the gold letters... I blend right in.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2014, 09:44:20 AM »
I use a modified version of this.  I wear it everywhere I go so no one ever gives me a second glance.  My cap reads $T3TH.  with the gold letters on hat style H13... I blend right in.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2014, 10:18:19 AM »
The sound pros hat is a nice sentiment and all, but looks pretty obvious to me. Anything that has room for the mics should work...
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2014, 10:28:40 AM »
^^the funny thing is that i actually saw ben twerking while wearing the $t3lth hat at an avant garde jazz gig..  it was a killer set all your favorite miley tunes performed by a trio of stand-up  bass players.....  





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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2014, 10:34:43 AM »
+3 on the Kangol 504.  That's what a whole bunch of us use.  No, I'm not Sam Jackson or LL Cool J but it works ... and works well.
 

The Sound Pro's hat blows. The Kangol rules!

First the Sound Pro's looks stupid with the mics sticking out and is not stealthy. Second the grommets on mine almost immediately came loose from the material. Third and perhaps most critical, when you want to use omnis, you are not using your head as a baffle with the Sound Pro's so the recording won't sound nearly as good as it would if you used the Kangol. The Kangol material is acoustically transparent (at least to my ears), so you don't need to worry about the mics being covered by material.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2014, 12:03:19 PM »
 I don't Twerk C'hook.  You obviously have me confused with someone else.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2014, 12:17:07 PM »
^^the funny thing is that i actually saw ben twerking while wearing the $t3lth hat at an avant garde jazz gig..  it was a killer set all your favorite miley tunes performed by a trio of stand-up  bass players..... 





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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2014, 04:20:00 PM »
Kangol does the job, but it is the wife who will give you problems....
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2014, 04:44:34 PM »
Yes, prepare to feel (and look) like a complete and utter tool on your first outing. But trust me,  the pain and embarassment eases with each use thereafter. I now only feel a slight sting when donning the Kangol. And its worth it.

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2014, 08:11:25 PM »
I'm actually fortunate in that the Kangol doesn't look _that_ stupid on me.  I've actually been told that it suits me (I guess it helps that I'm wearing it the "right way" around) but it can be a little suspect at hard-rock shows but I don't care.  :)

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2014, 10:03:49 PM »
I don't think I'll wear mine again until I'm 60 or so. I can't go through that again  :yikes:

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2014, 12:58:27 PM »
I had to resort to a hat after I cut my hair, and I cut my hair to get a desk job, and never got the desk job.
A hat lets you get a lot higher up and make a clearer tape than collar-mounting, or even croakie mounting, and once you actually MAKE a few of those tapes its hard to go back to more obstructed microphones.

But I hate the hat.

I guess the only thing that seems to make the hat OK, is that there are always, ALWAYS people with more hair and dumber hats at every show and they certainly aren't even taping. But their hats are worse than yours.

Recently, at a Dr Dog show I noticed that there were more guys on stage with hats than in the audience.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2014, 01:13:39 PM »
I don't think I'll wear mine again until I'm 60 or so. I can't go through that again  :yikes:

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2014, 03:10:11 PM »
Has no one tried the Ventair Spacecap?
http://www.amazon.com/Kangol-Tropic-Ventair-Spacecap/dp/B001HQJZIE
http://www.kangolstore.com/p2i-tropic-ventair-spacecap.html water-repellant
http://www.kangolstore.com/tropic-ventair-spacecap.html
Caps wouldn't be as far forward, but more fashionable, and less likely for security to pick you out of a crowd.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2014, 03:18:03 PM »
^ I used one at a couple of outdoor shows recently, worked well and I didn't look like a doofus   ;D

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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2014, 06:20:47 PM »
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2014, 02:08:25 PM »
I got my Nyquist omni sound hat from a friend a little over 20 years ago. He had a friend who was an out of work electrical contractor who made these sound hats. They were an ordinary baseball hat with grommets pressed/sewn into the temples. The omni capsules were permanently sealed into the hat with some sort of industrial silicone glue. It had an external battery box that ran off a single 9 volt battery that stepped up the voltage from mic to line level and worked great for many years. Something happened to mine about 10 years ago and it's no longer working. It might be something in the battery box, I don't know.

Anyway, the point is that one can make a sound hat themselves out of most any hat. The Nyquist hat had black wind screens over the capsules, flush with the underside of the fabric that covered the hat. It was Very stealthy and worked every time.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2014, 09:51:19 PM »
Lol the Kangol and the sound pro hat look a little ridiculous, although my vote is for the soundpros hat if you have hair like that.  8)

Binaural in-ear mics anyone? Or just clipped mics on your pockets (while wearing two pocket shirts)?

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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2014, 10:07:15 PM »
Lol the Kangol and the sound pro hat look a little ridiculous, although my vote is for the soundpros hat if you have hair like that.  8)

Binaural in-ear mics anyone? Or just clipped mics on your pockets (while wearing two pocket shirts)?

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2014, 12:09:09 PM »
Has no one tried the Ventair Spacecap?
http://www.amazon.com/Kangol-Tropic-Ventair-Spacecap/dp/B001HQJZIE
http://www.kangolstore.com/p2i-tropic-ventair-spacecap.html water-repellant
http://www.kangolstore.com/tropic-ventair-spacecap.html
Caps wouldn't be as far forward, but more fashionable, and less likely for security to pick you out of a crowd.

It works, but the problem is then you are really crushing the mics right against your sweaty head (at least, the only way I've seen one used).
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2014, 09:06:15 AM »
I attended a show in New York once in a small venue, armed with my Kangol. I scoped out a good place, sat down, adjusted my gear and was ready to go. A few minutes later, I see some other guy walking down the aisle with the same hat. He looks around, eventually settles next to me and ... you guessed it ... pulls out his recorder to make the final adjustments.  Kinda like a secret handshake, although perhaps not so secret these days....

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2014, 02:27:12 PM »
That's proof enough for me that you both knew where the sweet spot was......niiiiice
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2014, 01:52:04 PM »
I use a modified version of this.  I wear it everywhere I go so no one ever gives me a second glance.  My cap reads $T3TH.  with the gold letters on hat style H13... I blend right in.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2014, 10:39:17 PM »
Yes, prepare to feel (and look) like a complete and utter tool on your first outing. But trust me,  the pain and embarassment eases with each use thereafter. I now only feel a slight sting when donning the Kangol. And its worth it.

As a woman I feel even sillier wearing the Kangol.....
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2014, 10:23:44 AM »
I use a mesh truckers hat.  I look really goofy in a Kangol and I just have to be different  ;D  >:D

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2014, 12:17:21 PM »
This thread is making me want to build a top hat with a couple of U89's in it lol.

I took a baseball cap years ago and punched a couple of small holes in the bottom part right above my ears to stick my CSB's through. Worked pretty good, but those things are tiny anyway. I like the way they sound, I just wish I could get a drunken-wookie filter mod for them.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2014, 04:28:26 PM »
This thread is making me want to build a top hat with a couple of U89's in it lol.

I took a baseball cap years ago and punched a couple of small holes in the bottom part right above my ears to stick my CSB's through. Worked pretty good, but those things are tiny anyway. I like the way they sound, I just wish I could get a drunken-wookie filter mod for them.

I considered this... a "Slash" style top hat, but I figured I'd get too many people that want to come up and talk about it,  make some sort of comment as they walk by, or worse, have someone flip the thing off my head.   
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2014, 11:14:53 AM »
Just got this the other day and it seems to work fine. Wearing it backwards with ca-14's clipped inside. Added bonus to find a zippered stash pocket in the front/inside of the hat. Big enough I can stash the mics in, if needed.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2014, 10:46:03 PM »
Nyquist omni sound hat ... ordinary baseball hat with grommets pressed/sewn into the temples. The omni capsules were permanently sealed into the hat with some sort of industrial silicone glue.


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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2014, 02:33:56 PM »
Do you use a bar in the Kangol? If so is it attached to the hat? Do you use windscreens or no?
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2014, 02:26:44 PM »
I'm not an  >:D guy.  in fact I'v only done it twice.  once with ca rig in hat and once with my neumanns in hat.  neumanns was WAY to stressful.  it didn't help that the guy behind me kept asking me to take my hat off (it wasn't any bigger than most peoples ball caps) and threatening to fight me etc.  both times I just put the mics in a hat not really thinking about fabric getting in the way etc.  the one I used with the ca rig was much thinner and it came out great (but I looked ridiculous).

anyway I just picked up a ca11 rig for the one or two times a year I need it.  I'd prefer in a hat rather than clipped to a hat. I was just thinking about putting them in my baseball hat clipped together (sort of xy or pas) on top of my head.  Looking at my hat options they all have very thick/hard fabric on that portion of the hat.  I have one trucker hat that is a little thinner but still thick.  it's sort of "spongy" material so it may be better than the others.  I WILL NOT wear a kangol.  Maybe the ball cap looking one but it appears the vented part is only right above the brim.  is this correct?

A normal ball cap without the very thick/hard front will work better than one with the thick/hard part but I'm not sure if it would be good enough.  I can cut the holes a tiny bit but would prefer not to make them huge and thus noticeable.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2014, 04:33:41 PM »
Do you wear the Kangol backwards (logo fwd)?
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2014, 04:46:58 PM »
I wear mine forwards with the mk caps resting on the front bill and secured with a loop of elastic I sewed in..

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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2014, 05:42:42 PM »
I wear mine forwards with the mk caps resting on the front bill and secured with a loop of elastic I sewed in..
Hmm... sounds vaguely familiar to me.   The logo facing forwards thing doesn't suit me at all but worn normally, it ain't half bad.

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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2018, 12:18:31 PM »
Considering this method for MK4's.

Questions for anyone who has done this:

Does the hat fabric rubbing against the caps cause any problems?

Any tips or tricks for keeping the cable coming out of the hat discreet?
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2018, 12:31:10 PM »
Considering this method for MK4's.

Questions for anyone who has done this:

Does the hat fabric rubbing against the caps cause any problems?

Any tips or tricks for keeping the cable coming out of the hat discreet?

yes to first question.  private convos  for rest of the questions.

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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2018, 12:36:22 PM »
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2018, 02:41:54 PM »
I wear my Kangol sideways, but y'all already know I prefer mid/side recording, eh?
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2018, 02:45:24 PM »
Considering this method for MK4's.

Questions for anyone who has done this:

Does the hat fabric rubbing against the caps cause any problems?

Any tips or tricks for keeping the cable coming out of the hat discreet?

yes to first question.  private convos  for rest of the questions.

Thanks. There seem to be some conflicting opinions on the fabric rubbing being a problem. I’d be curious to hear from other people who have used this method.
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2018, 05:26:08 PM »
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Re: Recording hat
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2018, 01:07:33 AM »
I do Kangols
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