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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2014, 03:23:03 PM »
Custom made mic pres to your specifications.  How cool!   Jon made me a black one with 10, 20, 30 gain for Schoeps KCY.  Amazing little box. 
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2014, 08:08:39 PM »
Just bought the latest Tinybox to go up for sale in the yard sale. All I can say at the moment is that this thing is tiny. Thought it would be more inline with a CA9200 in size. It should be a nice upgrade to my Denecke PS-2...
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2014, 06:13:12 PM »
Anything I should change or does this look good?

Input: 6 pin mini 48v phantom
Amplifier: standard
Output connectors: single minijack
Output type: direct line only
Output dc tolerance: 16v
Hopefully that is what I need. Just ordered a Tinybox with this setup.

I'm sure it's fine but email Jon anyway.  I changed my mind on gain levels after ordering because I wound up getting different mics than my original plan.  Jon was very accommodating with this.  He also said that since each of these are custom, he needs to know all the mics you are using before building so it's properly configured.
I did email before I ordered and he said...

You need a tinybox configured for 48V phantom power ($279 base price) with a dual XLR for P48 adaptor cable ($52 for 25cm).

Anyone know about how long the Tinybox build time takes?  I ordered September 21 would be nice to use for a recording on Halloween but don't think I'll have it by then.  I'm hoping to have it by November 13 for Bluegrass Ball (Travelin McCourys & Jeff Austin Band)
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2014, 06:27:29 PM »
Anything I should change or does this look good?

Input: 6 pin mini 48v phantom
Amplifier: standard
Output connectors: single minijack
Output type: direct line only
Output dc tolerance: 16v
Hopefully that is what I need. Just ordered a Tinybox with this setup.

I'm sure it's fine but email Jon anyway.  I changed my mind on gain levels after ordering because I wound up getting different mics than my original plan.  Jon was very accommodating with this.  He also said that since each of these are custom, he needs to know all the mics you are using before building so it's properly configured.
I did email before I ordered and he said...

You need a tinybox configured for 48V phantom power ($279 base price) with a dual XLR for P48 adaptor cable ($52 for 25cm).

Anyone know about how long the Tinybox build time takes?  I ordered September 21 would be nice to use for a recording on Halloween but don't think I'll have it by then.  I'm hoping to have it by November 13 for Bluegrass Ball (Travelin McCourys & Jeff Austin Band)

Well then you should be fine with that.  If you aren't using actives I don't think you need any special configs.  Mine was delivered 6 weeks after ordering, almost to the day, which is what Jon's site quotes for it.  You will not be disappointed.
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2014, 04:28:45 AM »
Good move bro! I'm without a Naiant LB for the first time since Jon started making them a few years ago :( The VMS02ib will help heal that wound, but I definitely don't want to go long before I get either a used KCY LB[doubtful] or a new KCY TB with OTs for my second Schoeps rig!!! Jon truly makes one of my favorite preamps EVER, and I've run my share of different preamps over the years. Just so rich and clean and pure and in your face! And custom built for that price is just INSANE!

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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2014, 08:15:14 AM »
I Just received a tiny box. I understand the gain settings of high mid low. But what does the other switch do? Options are high and low (Leveler).
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2014, 08:37:01 AM »
I Just received a tiny box. I understand the gain settings of high mid low. But what does the other switch do? Options are high and low (Leveler).
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2014, 08:39:43 AM »
Great that is the voltage setting. I should be low if I am running schoeps > kcy > m10. Head I will get 20 hours using the pre. Thanks!
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2014, 12:24:57 PM »
Did you have your tiny box built specifically for a schoeps kCY setup?   I ask because my schoeps-specific tiny box lacks the high/low setting on the power switch - it's simply on or off with the other switch providing three levels of gain.  Mine's got a binder plug and 1/8" mini jack on the front (the kcy plugs directly into the tiny box)

As others have mentioned, Jon at Naiant is very responsive -- you might want to be sure you're properly set up before you find yourself in a "magic smoke" situation   

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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2014, 02:09:24 PM »
A high/low power switch turns the high-volt rail (48V or 54V, depending on your box) on and off.  When off, either phantom or active polarization voltage will be 16V.  With actives, that acts as a -10dB pad.  This option was enabled somewhere in the v2s, so if you have an earlier active tinybox you won't have that feature.

In no case in any tinybox ever that I can recall will a power switch setting cause the destruction of a microphone that is designed to be connected to that tinybox.  That would be a totally irresponsible design.  So if you have a combined PIP/3-wire & phantom/active tinybox, the low-volt mics *always* only ever get 8V, whether on high or low power, because the low-volt adaptor cable is never connected to the 16V or 48V/55V pins.

Jon thanks for the explanation. I look forward to using the tiny box in the near future
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2014, 02:23:40 PM »
what he said :) -- Didn't mean to imply that Jon would engage in anything but "responsible design," but with so many permutations/unknowns, can't be too careful.  I learn something new every day


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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2014, 02:03:44 AM »
A high/low power switch turns the high-volt rail (48V or 54V, depending on your box) on and off.  When off, either phantom or active polarization voltage will be 16V.  With actives, that acts as a -10dB pad.  This option was enabled somewhere in the v2s, so if you have an earlier active tinybox you won't have that feature.

In no case in any tinybox ever that I can recall will a power switch setting cause the destruction of a microphone that is designed to be connected to that tinybox.  That would be a totally irresponsible design.  So if you have a combined PIP/3-wire & phantom/active tinybox, the low-volt mics *always* only ever get 8V, whether on high or low power, because the low-volt adaptor cable is never connected to the 16V or 48V/55V pins.

So Jon, youre saying that a new Tinybox, with OTs and everything, on LOW Power, now acts as a -10db pad? So you'd have to turn the TB up an extra 10db of gain? I am going to need a strictly Schoeps KCY Tinybox with OTs in the next few months, and was wondering if it's at all possible to get a new TB that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad in the LOW voltage power setting? Because my old KCY LBs didn't ever act as a -10db pad in LOW power, and that's how I liked them. And I'm sure I would be running my new KCY TB in LOW power most of the time since I do record a lot of festivals in the summer. And an average show time for me is around 6 hours, so I'd need to run my new KCY TB on LOW power all of the time, since people are saying that they're only getting 3.5 hours on HIGH power ;)

So is it possible to get a strictly Schoeps KCY TB with OTs, that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad on the LOW power setting? Because that's what I really need. I NEED a KCY TB with OTs that I can run in LOW power ALL of the time, that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad in LOW power ;) I just don't get the idea behind having the LOW power setting act as a -10db pad ?!?!?! But to each his own lol 8) ;D
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2014, 10:39:39 AM »
A high/low power switch turns the high-volt rail (48V or 54V, depending on your box) on and off.  When off, either phantom or active polarization voltage will be 16V.  With actives, that acts as a -10dB pad.  This option was enabled somewhere in the v2s, so if you have an earlier active tinybox you won't have that feature.

In no case in any tinybox ever that I can recall will a power switch setting cause the destruction of a microphone that is designed to be connected to that tinybox.  That would be a totally irresponsible design.  So if you have a combined PIP/3-wire & phantom/active tinybox, the low-volt mics *always* only ever get 8V, whether on high or low power, because the low-volt adaptor cable is never connected to the 16V or 48V/55V pins.

So Jon, youre saying that a new Tinybox, with OTs and everything, on LOW Power, now acts as a -10db pad? So you'd have to turn the TB up an extra 10db of gain? I am going to need a strictly Schoeps KCY Tinybox with OTs in the next few months, and was wondering if it's at all possible to get a new TB that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad in the LOW voltage power setting? Because my old KCY LBs didn't ever act as a -10db pad in LOW power, and that's how I liked them. And I'm sure I would be running my new KCY TB in LOW power most of the time since I do record a lot of festivals in the summer. And an average show time for me is around 6 hours, so I'd need to run my new KCY TB on LOW power all of the time, since people are saying that they're only getting 3.5 hours on HIGH power ;)

So is it possible to get a strictly Schoeps KCY TB with OTs, that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad on the LOW power setting? Because that's what I really need. I NEED a KCY TB with OTs that I can run in LOW power ALL of the time, that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad in LOW power ;) I just don't get the idea behind having the LOW power setting act as a -10db pad ?!?!?! But to each his own lol 8) ;D

I just took delivery of a new TB and I agree with you in the sense that I can never think of a reason why I'll need the -10db pad.  But with that said, it doesn't affect power consumption and you never have to use it. 
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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2014, 01:06:39 AM »
A high/low power switch turns the high-volt rail (48V or 54V, depending on your box) on and off.  When off, either phantom or active polarization voltage will be 16V.  With actives, that acts as a -10dB pad.  This option was enabled somewhere in the v2s, so if you have an earlier active tinybox you won't have that feature.

In no case in any tinybox ever that I can recall will a power switch setting cause the destruction of a microphone that is designed to be connected to that tinybox.  That would be a totally irresponsible design.  So if you have a combined PIP/3-wire & phantom/active tinybox, the low-volt mics *always* only ever get 8V, whether on high or low power, because the low-volt adaptor cable is never connected to the 16V or 48V/55V pins.

So Jon, youre saying that a new Tinybox, with OTs and everything, on LOW Power, now acts as a -10db pad? So you'd have to turn the TB up an extra 10db of gain? I am going to need a strictly Schoeps KCY Tinybox with OTs in the next few months, and was wondering if it's at all possible to get a new TB that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad in the LOW voltage power setting? Because my old KCY LBs didn't ever act as a -10db pad in LOW power, and that's how I liked them. And I'm sure I would be running my new KCY TB in LOW power most of the time since I do record a lot of festivals in the summer. And an average show time for me is around 6 hours, so I'd need to run my new KCY TB on LOW power all of the time, since people are saying that they're only getting 3.5 hours on HIGH power ;)

So is it possible to get a strictly Schoeps KCY TB with OTs, that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad on the LOW power setting? Because that's what I really need. I NEED a KCY TB with OTs that I can run in LOW power ALL of the time, that DOESN'T act as a -10db pad in LOW power ;) I just don't get the idea behind having the LOW power setting act as a -10db pad ?!?!?! But to each his own lol 8) ;D

I just took delivery of a new TB and I agree with you in the sense that I can never think of a reason why I'll need the -10db pad.  But with that said, it doesn't affect power consumption and you never have to use it. 

But I ALWAYS run my LBs/TBs in LOW power, so I DON'T want to have to crank the gain of a new TB +10db just to get it to "normal" just because I'm on LOW power :(
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Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
128gb & 64gb SanDisk SDXC-I

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Shanling M5s & M0 | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

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Re: Naiant Tinybox or other preamp?
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2014, 01:15:08 AM »
I can't think of why you wouldn't want the pad feature with an active tinybox.  There is no difference in power consumption on high or low with actives; that only matters for phantom power.  The user that reported 3.5 hours on 48V phantom was likely using high-current draw mics (they were unspecified).  But actives will over 20 hours on either setting.

What advantage would having a -10db pad on the LOW power setting be? I just want a simple, easy to use TB[OTs], that acts the SAME on HIGH AND LOW power, so that I don't have to crank the TB up +10 extra db just to get it to "normal" :( I want an exact CLONE of my old KCY LBs, that act the SAME on HIGH and LOW power, no frills or pads.

Jon, is it even possible to order a new TB[OTs] that DOESN'T have a -10db pad on the LOW power setting? Because that's what I'm really interested in to be honest ;) I NEED a new TB[OTs] that acts just like my old KCY LBs did, and that has the EXACT same gain, whether on LOW or HIGH power ;) Please let me know if its possible to even get a new TB[OTs] made that DOESN'T have a -10db pad ???
Recording Rigs:
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
Schoeps | NBob 250/05 KCY's ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
128gb & 64gb SanDisk SDXC-I

Portable Playback Rigs:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado | Westone UM Pro 30 (G2) IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax |  2x CA/ALO SPC Litz MMCX Cables ->
Shanling M5s & M0 | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
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