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Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« on: October 07, 2014, 03:23:47 PM »
I just bought a manfrotto 7-foot pole.  I understand most people use a superclamp and the standard bronze stud to latch onto, but what do you buy to put in the bag for when you need the pole to latch on at 90 degrees from the stud?

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 03:33:03 PM »
There's a part that is an umbrella piece that I believe does that. I also have arms that can swing at 90 degrees.

Here it is: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=546375&gclid=CjwKEAjwns6hBRDTpb_jkbTv1UYSJACBhber5P85gOL2vwYU8H1iYOP3T1vIoTKxgT18wg8CWTikbRoCJ1Xw_wcB&Q=&is=REG&A=details
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 03:38:09 PM »
There's a part that is an umbrella piece that I believe does that. I also have arms that can swing at 90 degrees.

Here it is: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=546375&gclid=CjwKEAjwns6hBRDTpb_jkbTv1UYSJACBhber5P85gOL2vwYU8H1iYOP3T1vIoTKxgT18wg8CWTikbRoCJ1Xw_wcB&Q=&is=REG&A=details

Perfect thanks.  That will come in handy for my 'brelly too!

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2014, 08:40:21 PM »
In a pinch I've hooked two superclamps together- one clamping onto the extension pole. It clamps securely but can't support an overly large pivot 'moment' since the stiffness in the rotary plane between clamps is determined by how tight you can screw down the thumb screw on the brass stud to keep the double-clamp assembly from twisting.
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2014, 10:06:34 PM »
If I understand what you're trying to do, I like the stability I get with two super clamps and one of the 90degree locking studs so I don't have to rely on just getting the screws tight on a round stud. One clamps on a vertical surface like the wall of sbd booth and the other is at 90 to clamp on the pole. (i just realized this is what Gutbucket described with a locking stud added)

It's added weight but having two super clamps comes in handy a lot.

I was doing this to keep a manfrotto 0991b up from a sound board booth wall, but lately I'm using it to keep my full stand stable resting on the floor with legs retracted to get added support.

Took me a while to find it the first time and i just went to look again and I had forgotten what to search for. It's called a "right angle joining stud"

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546366-REG/Manfrotto_061RA_061RA_Right_Angle_Joining.html

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2014, 10:22:18 PM »
Hmmm.  I might get two superclamps with studs and that umbrella dealie.  Would cover me in every situation, though it would be weighty for my bag.  Maybe one of the superclamps stays home except on special occasions, but I do like the idea of using it as a stabilizing clamp to keep from having to extract the legs on my normal stand in situations where I have something to lock onto.

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2014, 10:26:23 PM »
In a pinch I've hooked two superclamps together- one clamping onto the extension pole. It clamps securely but can't support an overly large pivot 'moment' since the stiffness in the rotary plane between clamps is determined by how tight you can screw down the thumb screw on the brass stud to keep the double-clamp assembly from twisting.

Manfrotto makes a hex stud for mating 2 Superclamps @ 90* to prevent that problem.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546366-REG/Manfrotto_061RA_061RA_Right_Angle_Joining.html

ETA: Didn't read entire thread before posting. D'oh!

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014, 10:37:36 PM »
That hex stud would be useful.  I've used this double clamp technique as a way to clamp to the angled top tube hand-rail of a steel railing on a staircase a few times.  The other times the two clamps have been useful is at either end of a single-telescopic Bogen extension, used as an adjustable horizontal brace between a vertical stand and a railing or fence or something.  Either to just brace the stand for added topple prevention or to hold it vertical with two legs on the ground and one leg in the air if the ground beneath is not level.

It's definitely a weight penalty to carry two, so I only bring both if I think I might need them.
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2014, 12:21:14 AM »
Either of these may come in handy. They're both small and lightweight yet strong and steady.  One has the hex end and the other has a round end, but both fit in the superclamp. I keep one or both in the bag all the time just in case.

http://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-042-Extension-Arm-Stud/dp/B001M4HTDY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412741956&sr=8-1&keywords=manfrotto+extension

http://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-203-Mini-Extension-Clamp/dp/B000FTFZY2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1412741956&sr=8-5&keywords=manfrotto+extension
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2014, 02:36:06 AM »
Either of these may come in handy. They're both small and lightweight yet strong and steady.  One has the hex end and the other has a round end, but both fit in the superclamp. I keep one or both in the bag all the time just in case.

http://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-042-Extension-Arm-Stud/dp/B001M4HTDY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412741956&sr=8-1&keywords=manfrotto+extension

http://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-203-Mini-Extension-Clamp/dp/B000FTFZY2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1412741956&sr=8-5&keywords=manfrotto+extension

I ground the hex part of the 042 round. Like the extra length of it vs the 203, but wanted more flexibility
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2014, 03:11:06 PM »
Jeez, I never realized there were so many options surrounding superclamp, not to mention that there's a half dozen or so different stud designs.  Now I gotta figure out which of all the recommendations/idea's you guys have presented will apply to most of my taping situations...either that or just buy a couple superclamps and one of everything else.   :facepalm:

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2014, 04:57:36 PM »
I started out using one of the shorter extension arms and it worked ok but made me nervous since it had a round stud end and could slip. I was hooking up stabilizers. I got a second super clamp and it was better, but still didn't solve the stability concern completely. Then I discovered the hex studs.

I did not at the time realize the extension arms had a hex option but that's a good option too but you lose the diversity the dual super clamp provides.

My two super clamps locked in parallel position with the 90 degree offset joining stud fit perfectly in one of the outside pockets on my portabrace bag so aside from weight it is very convenient and for my usual haunts I use it almost every time.

Super clamps really are super. Everybody should have a couple in my opinion.

I have one of the umbrella adapters as well that folds to different positions. Nice to have but at least the one I have is a little on the small/light side for me to use to hold up much weight by itself and then you're back to the round vs hex stud issue.
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2014, 11:13:16 PM »
Mine are Adorama sourced superclamp copies, still work super at about half the cost.  Only difference is the clamp handle is a 'T' shape instead of an 'L', the clamp itself is identical AFAIK.
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2014, 12:31:35 AM »
Mine are Adorama sourced superclamp copies, still work super at about half the cost.  Only difference is the clamp handle is a 'T' shape instead of an 'L', the clamp itself is identical AFAIK.

I prefer the 'L' with a ratcheting handle. I have a few local venues where I need to clamp to the lip of a vertical steel I-Beam. The vert lip on steel I-Beams are beveled and to clamp securely to them you need a lot of pressure.  The fixed-handle Superclamp with either the 'L' or the 'T' doesn't allow full rotation to get the additional 1.5>2.5 additional turns to get the proper "bite" to fully suspend the clamp/mics to my liking.

World Cafe Live in Philly is another example. There's a horizontal toe-board in the down-stairs venue balcony that is perfect for clamping to, but the vertical portion of the railing up there does not allow full rotation of either fixed-handle clamps. The ratchet clamp, FTW.

Finding a SuperClamp-Clone with a ratchet handle has been a bit of a moving target. Last I looked there's this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824360-REG/impact_cc_106r_super_clamp_with_ratchet.html




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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2014, 10:39:21 AM »
I like the Impact super clamps with the T shaped handle as well. I get enough leverage and don't have to worry about the tight space up against a wall or something. The ratcheting handle option is something I just noticed which is interesting.

I have two of the Impact super clamps and one manfrotto with the longer handle.

And I'll refer readers to the excellent Clampaholics thread which started me on my quest originally: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=151303.0

I've been struggling with how to keep up with all the little bits like studs and thread adapters, xlr adapters, etc. that I don't need often but when I need it i need it.

I've been debating tool boxes vs tackle boxes that I can leave in my trunk as well as considering a Pelican 1610 or something big I can put a lot of stuff in I don't use much and leave in the trunk but also wheel around if necessary.

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2014, 11:41:39 AM »
Never knew about the ratcheting ones.  It's an ever expanding galaxy of clamp-dom.
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 10:26:00 PM »
Long time lurker, first post.  Thanks for a great forum!  Really informative and helpful.

Custom studs for the superclamp are pretty easily fashioned out of 5/8 hex brass stock.  I've made a few with various configurations/orientations:   3/8 internal thread (nut); 3/8 stud (bolt); 3/8 stud (bolt) at 90 degrees, double-ended stud (for joining 2 superclamps) etc.   Hopefully you can get the idea from the linked picture.



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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2016, 09:52:12 AM »
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2016, 01:43:45 PM »
Just chiming in to ask if a super clamp with an actual ratcheting mechanism even exists.  I own two of the Manfrotto's with the L-shaped "ratchet" handle and it does not actually have a ratcheting mechanism, nor is there one in any other brand of clamp I've ever seen that uses that word.  So far I'm convinced there is no such product made, and every time someone links a so-called "ratcheting" clamp, it very clearly is nothing of the sort, but just a another clone of the Manfrotto I have.  They are describing the style of handle, but it does not ratchet.

I really wish that manufacturers would use a different word to describe this kind of handle, as calling it a "ratchet" or "ratchet action" is totally misleading.
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2016, 01:45:34 PM »
Thanks Rory

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2016, 01:50:02 PM »
Just chiming in to ask if a super clamp with an actual ratcheting mechanism even exists.  I own two of the Manfrotto's with the L-shaped "ratchet" handle and it does not actually have a ratcheting mechanism, nor is there one in any other brand of clamp I've ever seen that uses that word.  So far I'm convinced there is no such product made, and every time someone links a so-called "ratcheting" clamp, it very clearly is nothing of the sort, but just a another clone of the Manfrotto I have.  They are describing the style of handle, but it does not ratchet.

I really wish that manufacturers would use a different word to describe this kind of handle, as calling it a "ratchet" or "ratchet action" is totally misleading.

I have also never seen a true "ratcheting" handle. I have a Smith-Victor clone that has an "indexing" handle (probably not the correct descriptive word either) that can be pulled away from the body on the shaft splines and then the handle repositioned to tighten further. Not a true ratchet but at least moveable for better positioning. When someone mentions a ratcheting handle I automatically think of my S-V "indexing" handle.

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2016, 02:21:49 PM »
Thanks for posting the picture, Rory.  Those are beauties, mixedplate, guessing you crafted them on a metal lathe?  Don't have one of those in my toolbox, sorry to say. :)

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2016, 02:37:58 PM »
There's a part that is an umbrella piece that I believe does that. I also have arms that can swing at 90 degrees.

Here it is: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=546375&gclid=CjwKEAjwns6hBRDTpb_jkbTv1UYSJACBhber5P85gOL2vwYU8H1iYOP3T1vIoTKxgT18wg8CWTikbRoCJ1Xw_wcB&Q=&is=REG&A=details

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2016, 05:59:34 AM »
Thanks for posting the picture, Rory.  Those are beauties, mixedplate, guessing you crafted them on a metal lathe?  Don't have one of those in my toolbox, sorry to say. :)

My uncle 1 mile down the road has a nice, personal lathe ;D That's how I had my PAS bars made out of delrin! The lathe is awesome! Nice pics mixedplate!
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2016, 08:13:46 PM »
Thanks F.O.  Have a picture of your Delrin bar?

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2016, 09:30:13 PM »
Fried Chicken Boy --  you can hand-file the groove pretty easily, if no lathe is available.     

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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2016, 09:44:48 PM »
Thanks F.O.  Have a picture of your Delrin bar?

All I had my uncle do was to cut them down to size[I bought 20mm delrin rods cheap on eBay], and then he liked using the lathe just to drill out the exact dead center of my delrin bars/rods so they were perfectly balanced in my shocks and stuff! These are older pics, now I have Rycote INV6-HG shocks instead of the Schoeps a20s in the pic! I just haven't used the PAS Bars I made very much! But they're amazing for doing what they do :)
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Re: Q for Users of Manfrotto or Lowell Extension Poles
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2016, 07:31:17 PM »
Thanks F.O., those are serious bars! 

 

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