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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #315 on: June 01, 2019, 07:01:38 PM »
Has anyone else had any issues with the mic input and Neutrik plugs?

I run CA14 > CA-UBB > M10. The UBB has a right-angle Neutrik output. After plugging in, if the plug is pressed inward slightly (toward the unit), the right channel will drop out completely. If I release pressure, the channel comes back. It's less than ideal for the way I roll and has ruined a couple of recordings.

I have made sure that everything is very clean, so I'm confident that's not it.

I did plug the CA14 directly in to the mic input and gentle twisting and pushing toward the unit does not cause any issues (it's a straight REAN plug), so it's most likely not the M10.

I'm open to any ideas for further testing and/or possible causes.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #316 on: June 02, 2019, 06:54:30 AM »
Has anyone else had any issues with the mic input and Neutrik plugs?

I run CA14 > CA-UBB > M10. The UBB has a right-angle Neutrik output. After plugging in, if the plug is pressed inward slightly (toward the unit), the right channel will drop out completely. If I release pressure, the channel comes back. It's less than ideal for the way I roll and has ruined a couple of recordings.

I have made sure that everything is very clean, so I'm confident that's not it.

I did plug the CA14 directly in to the mic input and gentle twisting and pushing toward the unit does not cause any issues (it's a straight REAN plug), so it's most likely not the M10.

I'm open to any ideas for further testing and/or possible causes.

If I use a right angle plug with any of my recordes I tape a piece of strong foamed plastic underneath the horizontal part of the plug.  Just to avoid the stress to the cable/plug/jack you  described above.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #317 on: June 02, 2019, 09:01:07 AM »
That's a good idea, thanks.

I took the plug apart and looked at it with a magnifier. The solder joints look poorly done; I can see a crack in the solder joint for the ring (right channel) connection. I have another BB that works fine, so it's definitely not the M10.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #318 on: June 02, 2019, 09:53:14 AM »
To relieve the strain, you might want to run a short cable (non right angle at one or both ends) between the M10's input and the plug from the UBB. 

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #319 on: June 03, 2019, 12:12:34 AM »
Also a great idea. My kid, who is studying electrical engineering, is going to bring his soldering setup over to help me out. I'm going to use a brand new plug.

Since this has nothing to do with the M10, back to the regularly scheduled programming!

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2019, 07:47:39 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #321 on: June 17, 2019, 08:16:02 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)

Possibly reformat the card to see if that will alleviate the issue?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #322 on: June 23, 2019, 03:05:21 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)
Is the card from a sealed package from a known reputable SanDisk dealer in your country?


Try the internal memory if formatting the card doesn't help. If it glitches on the internal, then it's probably not the SanDisk.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #323 on: June 23, 2019, 06:55:05 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)
Is the card from a sealed package from a known reputable SanDisk dealer in your country?


Try the internal memory if formatting the card doesn't help. If it glitches on the internal, then it's probably not the SanDisk.

Not an issue running on internal, only be SD card issue.  Card was bought from Bestbuy and it seems the problem only happens after I put the card in a reader and copy the files to my computer.  Formatted using the recorder and it looks to have fixed the issue.    Ran a test by putting mics in front of my stereo speaker and no problem.  Will still probably use internal memory first just to be safe.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #324 on: June 29, 2019, 12:24:52 AM »
Not an issue running on internal, only be SD card issue.  Card was bought from Bestbuy and it seems the problem only happens after I put the card in a reader and copy the files to my computer.  Formatted using the recorder and it looks to have fixed the issue.    Ran a test by putting mics in front of my stereo speaker and no problem.  Will still probably use internal memory first just to be safe.
OK- if other cards exhibit the same issue, then I would suspect your card reader, or even that your computer OS has a worm or virus and is copying something weird to cards!?
But it could certainly be the card itself, or (less likely based on the latest info) dirty contacts on the internal card socket.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #325 on: July 02, 2019, 01:52:53 AM »
I came across this here and was wondering if it's true that phantom power devices affect the quality/noise you get? : http://thesoundmyheadmakes.blogspot.com/2011/03/quickie-shootout-744t-vs-pcm-d50-with.html

I currently have a Juicedlink to use with my Sony PCM-M10 when I need XLR inputs, but is a Sony XLR1 / Denecke PS-2 actually better?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #326 on: July 02, 2019, 04:08:19 PM »
I came across this here and was wondering if it's true that phantom power devices affect the quality/noise you get? : http://thesoundmyheadmakes.blogspot.com/2011/03/quickie-shootout-744t-vs-pcm-d50-with.html

I currently have a Juicedlink to use with my Sony PCM-M10 when I need XLR inputs, but is a Sony XLR1 / Denecke PS-2 actually better?
It's certainly possible to get a device which supplies phantom power and also affects the audio. That article from 2011 does seem to imply that build quality seems to affect sound quality. The "eye opening" weblink inside the link you shared here is to a dealer which chose not to carry the ART device because of its poor build quality. I've never heard of the Juicedlink so I can't comment on that.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #327 on: August 24, 2019, 01:07:43 PM »
I had a venue employee either attempt to steal my M10 and AT mic package where I had it setup in an empty balcony for a show.  Or they just picked it up not knowing what it was and put it away in an upper room in the theater.  My friend that works at the theater discovered it almost a week after it went missing.  When I went to pick it up it the control lock was still engaged.  The recorded had filled up the the available memory and stopped recording.  But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #328 on: August 25, 2019, 07:20:40 PM »
...But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
I don't shut mine off except when changing batteries . They go to sleep about 20 min after activity stops. I got into the habit of leaving them on, after hearing that they'd lose their clock setting if they weren't powered up at ALL for months on end. (see the first couple threads!?!)
The batteries hardly drain when they're powered "on" but not doing anything. Months.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #329 on: August 25, 2019, 07:50:12 PM »
...But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
I don't shut mine off except when changing batteries . They go to sleep about 20 min after activity stops. I got into the habit of leaving them on, after hearing that they'd lose their clock setting if they weren't powered up at ALL for months on end. (see the first couple threads!?!)
The batteries hardly drain when they're powered "on" but not doing anything. Months.

I did not know that! I sold my Sony PCM-M10's because of the internal clock not keeping "time", as I thought it was messing up. I only tape 3 or 4 times a year, so it'll sit without batteries for months between uses. Makes perfect sense. So I sold my precious M10's prematurely!  DOAH!!
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