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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #195 on: January 09, 2017, 09:36:43 AM »
sounds like i need a 3rd too... and/or hope that all of my local friends with the deck will be my 3rd level backup lol

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #196 on: January 09, 2017, 08:42:08 PM »
I was tempted to start another Sony M-10 thread, because having four or five at the same time makes so much more sense.

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(1) That Sony has discontinued the World's best pocket recorder.  I have two but then again, I simply don't understand why a company would discontinue such a great little unit.

(2) Putting aside the corporate decision to discontinue it, not having a replacement for this market seems silly.  Will I have to get a third unit?  Jeez.

Agreed on both points, but maybe it wasn't selling well anymore on a large scale, despite its huge popularity here.  There's the PCM-D100 but that appears to be the replacement for the PCM-D50.  Compared to the M10, it's also a whole lot more money for only adding a new DAC capable of DSD and 192kHz recording.  It's hard to imagine that unit is flying off the shelves though, considering its high price for rather limited functionality compared to competition from other brands.

By every appearance, Sony is abandoning this market segment.  In contrast, Tascam is saturating the hell out of it.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #197 on: January 10, 2017, 07:57:52 AM »
There's the PCM-D100 but that appears to be the replacement for the PCM-D50.

I think it's more likely the replacement for their flagship PCM-D1.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #198 on: January 10, 2017, 08:27:41 AM »
There's the PCM-D100 but that appears to be the replacement for the PCM-D50.

I think it's more likely the replacement for their flagship PCM-D1.

The D100 is the D50 replacement!! 
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #199 on: January 10, 2017, 03:45:05 PM »
There's the PCM-D100 but that appears to be the replacement for the PCM-D50.

I think it's more likely the replacement for their flagship PCM-D1.

The D100 is the D50 replacement!!

I don't agree.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #200 on: January 10, 2017, 05:50:32 PM »
The brochure on Sony's website says, "...successor to Sony's PCM-D50", but I'm not sure the distinction is all that important.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #201 on: January 10, 2017, 05:55:49 PM »
There's the PCM-D100 but that appears to be the replacement for the PCM-D50.

I think it's more likely the replacement for their flagship PCM-D1.

The D100 is the D50 replacement!!

I don't agree.

Visual comparison backs it up.  Also, several comparison pix between D50 and D100 here.  Not that it matters; we want them to make an M10 successor.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #202 on: January 10, 2017, 06:04:18 PM »
I've owned both and the D100 is an upgraded D50!  The differences are independent channel gain, takes SDHC cards, records DSD and PCM 24/192. 
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #203 on: January 11, 2017, 07:59:40 AM »
I use my D100 for recording nature and soundscapes, and the main difference for me over the D50 (which I also own) is the microphones. Much improved, and more similar to the D1, so I can see where dogmusic is coming from.

The D100 might be more similar in looks to the D50, and the brochure might say it's the successor to the D50 but by then the D1 had long since been discontinued. If I owned the D50 and the D1, it's the latter I would have sold when I bought the D100.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #204 on: January 11, 2017, 11:41:31 AM »
I've owned all three. 

D50 was awfully shrilly to my ears and I sold it quickly. 

M10 has been a rock solid performer over the last 10 years.  I made some brilliant recordings with it.  It will never leave my bag. 

D100, however, steps it up in sound, but with a big cost.  Very transparent, clean sounding.  No exaggerated low freqs.  Quieter than a whisper.  It's hard for me to let go.  I sold it once and I hated myself for it.  Now I have one again.

D100 might offer a lot frills, but I buy these things for the sound.  D100 doesn't suck in that category...   :shrug:

Case in point:

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #205 on: January 11, 2017, 02:00:20 PM »
My 2 cents: no mics needed, all externally connected.... but what do I know

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #207 on: January 12, 2017, 12:52:55 PM »
I use my D100 for recording nature and soundscapes, and the main difference for me over the D50 (which I also own) is the microphones. Much improved, and more similar to the D1, so I can see where dogmusic is coming from.

The D100 might be more similar in looks to the D50, and the brochure might say it's the successor to the D50 but by then the D1 had long since been discontinued. If I owned the D50 and the D1, it's the latter I would have sold when I bought the D100.

I agree wholeheartedly.

From the review of the D100 in Sound on Sound, comparing it to the D50:

"The designers ... added custom-designed electret mics that can handle higher SPLs (128dB) and have 50 percent larger capsules, matching those of their high-end D1 model."

There's a better visual comparison in the photo below. Once you deduct the D1's lucious VU meters, there's not much difference in size between the three units. But you can easily see how much larger the D100's (and the D1's) mics are relative to the D50.

The D100 is a very much improved recorder over the D50 (which I own and love) in more ways than just "independent channel gain, takes SDHC cards, records DSD and PCM 24/192". The same SOS review says Sony "isolated the power supply to each circuit section, for example, and selected components specifically to reduce jitter and noise, resulting in far lower harmonic distortion figures." They also considerably upgraded the preamps and AD/DA converters, gave it 32GB internal memory, 5V plug-in-power, larger screen and a unique limiter.



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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #208 on: January 18, 2017, 07:23:22 PM »
Concerning the question why Sony discontinued the m10 despite its stellar reputation here, I happened to notice a press conference photo today.  The reporters were using their phones to record the conference.  So that could be why Sony discontinued   what we regard as a terrific recorder.

And it doesn't give me hope that we will see a replacement.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #209 on: January 27, 2017, 04:59:13 PM »
Was just able to buy a new one for $249 online @ Professional Sound Services. Hope they still have them in stock and it is able to ship.

 

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