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Tinybox question
« on: November 04, 2014, 05:06:25 PM »
I just got my Tinybox and have a quick question.  The switch to turn on the Tinybox says low/high.  Would I set that to low or high?
Also how long does the battery usually last before needing to be recharged? 
« Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 11:55:45 PM by harmon712 »
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 06:13:38 PM »
An email to Jon may be best since each one is somewhat custom in configuration. 

Battery life is addressed on the Naiant site.  It depends on what you're powering. 
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 06:26:31 PM »
What phantom power options did you order?  The far right switch (the on/off switch) is likely high for 48v phantom and low for PIP or other microphone power.  You should check with Jon to be certain as each box is a custom arrangement.
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 07:31:57 PM »
What phantom power options did you order?  The far right switch (the on/off switch) is likely high for 48v phantom and low for PIP or other microphone power.  You should check with Jon to be certain as each box is a custom arrangement.
This is what I got.

Input: 6 pin mini 48v phantom
Amplifier: standard
Output connectors: single minijack
Output type: direct line only
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 08:24:18 PM »
Phantom switches between 48V and 16V.  tinyboxes for PIP always supply 8V, irrespective of power switch setting.

Phantom runtime varies with the mics; anywhere between three and ten hours at 48V and up to 20 hours at 16V.
Would that mean high for 48v
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 09:58:43 PM »
Phantom switches between 48V and 16V.  tinyboxes for PIP always supply 8V, irrespective of power switch setting.

Phantom runtime varies with the mics; anywhere between three and ten hours at 48V and up to 20 hours at 16V.
Would that mean high for 48v
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 11:46:42 PM »
Another question...how long does the Tinybox take to charge and does the light change color when done?
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 08:31:45 AM »
Another question...how long does the Tinybox take to charge and does the light change color when done?
i never timed it but I want to say approx four hrs
The light turns from red to green
FYI, I have version 1.5 if it matters or not I'm not sure
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 02:33:40 PM »
My test with both switches on high gave me just under 3.5 hours before it died.  Also not sure if it was fully charged, if the light changes from red to green it was not.

Would the low/mid settings (which I would be using for a show anyway) last longer or about the same?  I might have to do another test soon when I know the battery is fully charged with the switch to mid.

I'll be taping Travelin McCourys and Jeff Austin Band 11/12 & 11/13.  Hopefully I have enough battery time to get it all taped.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2014, 02:42:27 PM by harmon712 »
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 05:30:05 PM »
My test with both switches on high gave me just under 3.5 hours before it died.  Also not sure if it was fully charged, if the light changes from red to green it was not.

Would the low/mid settings (which I would be using for a show anyway) last longer or about the same?  I might have to do another test soon when I know the battery is fully charged with the switch to mid.

I'll be taping Travelin McCourys and Jeff Austin Band 11/12 & 11/13.  Hopefully I have enough battery time to get it all taped.

It is rare you'd need to have the output on high at any moderately amplified show.  I use mid or low on loud ones. 

If you're using phantom powered mics you would need to have the on switch set to high.  Those mics will use more battery but if fully charged you should have enough power for almost any regular concert/double bill.  I've never had mine run out unless I've not recharged it, though supplying phantom it may not make it through a typical festival day. 

The light turns from orange to green when you recharge.  I usually leave it to charge overnight but suspect it is a 6 4 to 5 hour process, then runs about 5 hours the same for me when using phantom. 

When running the light turns from green to red as the battery discharges.  Once red you don't have much time left. 

{Corrected (per the builder) below, and apparently more or less ignore the lights, other than if running and it turns red you'll want to turn it off... }
« Last Edit: November 05, 2014, 05:51:53 PM by bombdiggity »
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Tinybox > Sony PCM-M10 (formerly Roland R-05) 
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2014, 04:21:54 AM »
I just read the Naiant website, and it states that if running actives like my Schoeps, you can get up to 20 hours per charge on the Tinybox. But running just capsules on an active setup takes up much less power, even though I think the voltage to the caps is higher than +48v.

But you don't need to worry about that if you're just running standard +48v phantom powered mics ;)
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 06:14:03 AM »
Phantom switches between 48V and 16V.  tinyboxes for PIP always supply 8V, irrespective of power switch setting.

Phantom runtime varies with the mics; anywhere between three and ten hours at 48V and up to 20 hours at 16V.
I have cheap Rode M5 mics now and will be getting Busman BSC1's when I have the money.

http://www.rodemic.com/microphones/m5 says P24/P48
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 08:49:02 AM »
Rode does not specify the current draw, so I can't estimate runtime.  You could try them at 16V though; since they specify 24V it might work.
I think I remember switching it to low when testing it and it looked like it was working.
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 10:11:05 AM »
I'll try a recording tonight and see how it works.
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 11:05:18 AM »
I'll try a recording tonight and see how it works.

Your best bet is to set the gear up and time it.  That is my plan when I receive mine.
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