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Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« on: November 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM »
DR-60D part 1
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=161501.0
DR-60D http://tascam.com/product/dr-60d/
Manual http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/799/e_dr-60d_om_va.pdf Addendum http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/799/je_dr-60d_add_v120_va.pdf

DR-60Dmkii http://tascam.com/product/dr-60dmkii/
Manual http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/864/dr-60dmk2_om_va.pdf

Differences between 60D and 60Dmkii
Red handles
"High plus" gain which gives you and extra 12db (64db total)
New XLR connectors for greater cable compatibility

The similar in many ways but different DR-70D thread http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=170230.0

60D on sale today only for $129 at b&h
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2014, 05:09:42 PM »
One might suspect there to be some inventory clearance sales on the 60d.  It reminds me of when the 2d sold for $99. 

I am still trying to understand Tascam's marketing in keeping the 60dmkII with the new 70d. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2014, 06:05:28 PM »
I spoke with Tascam and the DR-60DMKII And the DR-70D will both continue to be sold.  Different price points and different target markets is what I was told.  B&H is definitely trying to liquidate the old DR-60D.  If you are on the fence between the DR-60D and the DR-60DMKII, just know they have the exact same op amps: RC/NJM4580.  The DR-70D has far better op amps installed (NE5532).  I had an in depth conversation with Tascam comparing the above units and they told me the DR-70D was a far better all around unit.  Yes, you do give up the mid gain setting but it is an easily covered gain range especially if your mice have any kind of pad on them.  Only a 8dB "hole" between low and high gain on the DR-70D.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2014, 06:25:30 PM »
Well, the 70d has 4 xlrs with phantom power v 2 in the 60d, two built in mics, a smaller usb connector like used on cell phones, a smaller case, the upgraded op amps, slightly better battery life and some reviewer posted that the 70d generally feels more solid than the 60d.  $100 gets these differences.

Both the 60dmkii and the 70d seemed generally aimed at the DSLR recording market, however.  So is Tascam basically saying they'll give us these extra features in the 70d for another $100?


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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2014, 06:26:18 PM »
^^^^ thanks cheese interesting differences  noted from tascam. good to know... now I'm just looking for a small formfactor2 or 4 channel unit with a digi in.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2014, 06:55:01 PM »
Well, the 70d has 4 xlrs with phantom power v 2 in the 60d, two built in mics, a smaller usb connector like used on cell phones, a smaller case, the upgraded op amps, slightly better battery life and some reviewer posted that the 70d generally feels more solid than the 60d.  $100 gets these differences.

Both the 60dmkii and the 70d seemed generally aimed at the DSLR recording market, however.  So is Tascam basically saying they'll give us these extra features in the 70d for another $100?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2014, 07:23:49 PM »
Well, the 70d has 4 xlrs with phantom power v 2 in the 60d, two built in mics, a smaller usb connector like used on cell phones, a smaller case, the upgraded op amps, slightly better battery life and some reviewer posted that the 70d generally feels more solid than the 60d.  $100 gets these differences.

Both the 60dmkii and the 70d seemed generally aimed at the DSLR recording market, however.  So is Tascam basically saying they'll give us these extra features in the 70d for another $100?
the smaller usb is a bad thing IMO as every usb device I have uses mini and I have nothing that uses micro.
The 60d is actually smaller overall then the 70 although the 70 form factor is nicer for most people like us who will have it in a bag.

Other notible differences...60d/70d
maxes out at 32gb cards/128gb cards
3 jacks with dedicated volume/level adjust - line out, headphone out, camera out/2 jacks with one volume/level adjust combined - line & camera combined, headphone

Either one has pros and cons depending on what few differences you might need/use and I don't think you can go wrong with either but for $130 you def can't go wrong

Ps fwiw, I used medium gain to tape OAR from the sbd and had the knob turned all the way down to the left. Music peaks were around -8 as a whole and crowd cheering/loud music hit -1
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2014, 12:47:22 AM »
Well I was interested in the 60d, but if the 70d has all of that on the 60d, then for $300, its a no brained for me. Because what sounds better definitely matters to me. But I still love the size of the 60d for sure and for $129, r u kidding me? That's just crazy. I think it will go that low again too
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2014, 10:30:06 AM »
I finally got around to experimenting with my DR-60D over the last few days. Up to this point I've been apprehensive to take it into the field since I've been so used to the M10 over the years. Here's how it was setup:

AKG CK63.naiant.pfa > DR-60D (mic in, phantom on), Channels 1 & 2
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MG21.nBob.pfa > Aerco MP-2 (1/8" out) > DR-60D (1/8" in), Channels 3 & 4

Everything was running off my Tekkeon-style battery (Aerco at 9v, DR-60D USB out at 5v). The DR-60D was set to record two stereo files at 24 bit, 48kHz. I recorded for about 2 hours and the battery level fell no more than one bar, out of seven. Now, the Aerco barely sips any gas at all so I wasn't expecting it to affect the battery life much, but expected the Tascam take the bulk. I'll have to do another test for longer, but this definitely seems promising, and I'm getting much more comfortable with the unit.

Are you guys getting similar results? Any issues with overloading the inputs?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2014, 01:43:51 PM »
I recorded 1 hour and 55 minutes two weeks ago with 48v phantom on channels 1 and 2 using a Ravpower 10400mah external battery, and the battery still shows all its bars. 

Where the 60d has an advantage over the M10 is having 4 channels available.  I recorded piano using one CM3 on channel 1, recorded solo vocals using an AT2020 on channel 2, and then used a pair of AT853s through a pipsqueak on a stand to record a few feet back from the stage.  The room has a bit of bounce to it, and spot mics on the piano and soloist really cleaned things up.  It was probably my best recording in that room yet using spot mics like this.   

Gain was set to mid on channels 1 and 2, and high on channels 3 and 4 (Pipsqueek set to low-probably should have set it to high and set the Tascam to low but my mistake).  I did see some flashing of the peak indicator lights and reduced the gain at the knobs during recording.  Looking at the tracks in Reaper afterwards, I did not see any brick walling even though I remember cutting back on the gain when the peak indicators flashed. 

I was recording some elementary children and the PA stage volumes were set at conservative levels. 

I read on another website that the meters may not be entirely accurate and there may be more gain available than the peak indicators show, but that's subject to being proven, IMO.  I'd be curious what others think about the peak indicators. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2014, 01:59:52 PM »
I recorded 1 hour and 55 minutes two weeks ago with 48v phantom on channels 1 and 2 using a Ravpower 10400mah external battery, and the battery still shows all its bars. 
 
i recorded a hope test using ch 1/2 with 48v on
and 3/4 as -6db backup
filled the card at 6.5 hrs and my rav 10400 dropped to half.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2014, 08:54:30 PM »
happened to look at the best selling units at B & H over black Friday.  Looks like the 60d was at the top over the MKII and 70d. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2014, 09:53:57 PM »
happened to look at the best selling units at B & H over black Friday.  Looks like the 60d was at the top over the MKII and 70d.

It is a good unit and I'm sure their dirt low price helped sales!   :clapping:
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2014, 01:07:49 PM »
the smaller usb is a bad thing IMO as every usb device I have uses mini and I have nothing that uses micro.

The whole cellphone industry except Apple switched to Micro USB a few years back, and it is a mandated standard in Europe.  The connector itself is better/longer lasting as well, by design.
Mini USB won't be seen on new products going forward.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2014, 07:27:20 PM »
the smaller usb is a bad thing IMO as every usb device I have uses mini and I have nothing that uses micro.

The whole cellphone industry except Apple switched to Micro USB a few years back, and it is a mandated standard in Europe.  The connector itself is better/longer lasting as well, by design.
Mini USB won't be seen on new products going forward.
maybe so but I own an iphone and all hard drives, cameras, camcorders, fire stick, m10, 60d that I own have mini so for now it's an inconvenience to me
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2014, 09:03:52 PM »
According to this link, the micro usb has a rated life cycle of 10,000 insertions compared to 5,000 for the mini usb.  The micro has a tighter fit than the mini which I think is a positive from the standpoint of making a secure connection with an external battery that isn't as likely to disconnect by accident. 

A micro usb to usb cable came with my Ravpower battery, but since I'm using the 60d, I gave the cable to my wife for her tablet. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2014, 09:32:36 PM »
According to this link, the micro usb has a rated life cycle of 10,000 insertions compared to 5,000 for the mini usb.  The micro has a tighter fit than the mini which I think is a positive from the standpoint of making a secure connection with an external battery that isn't as likely to disconnect by accident. 

A micro usb to usb cable came with my Ravpower battery, but since I'm using the 60d, I gave the cable to my wife for her tablet. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2014, 01:45:34 PM »
Ran my DR-60D for the second time last night. I still need to spend more time with it to be sure of all the menu options. Running AKG 480/CK63 straight into channels 1 & 2. I'm very happy with the results.

I did have an issue last night - I had put in a new SD card and when I powered it up, it asked if I wanted to format it. No problem - happy to have the reminder. But then I wasn't getting any signal from my mics. Checked all the connections, phantom power was still on from the last time I ran the deck... Hmmm...  I finally turn phantom power off and back on and the deck asks me to confirm I want phantom power on. Confirm and everything okay. Not sure if the new SD card caused an issue with not getting the confirm when I first powered up or what. Has anyone seen this?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2014, 04:33:36 PM »
the manual strongly cautions to be sure the mics are connected before engaging phantom power.  I suspect it forces us to confirm turning on phantom power as a safety feature. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2014, 05:06:08 PM »
Not sure what you mean. I understand that and the mics were connected before I turned the deck on. But it never asked me to confirm that wanted Phantom power on, just if I wanted to format the SD card. 
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2014, 08:50:14 PM »
It will ask to confirm phantom every time you turn it on
Not sure about the card but if you do a full format it takes a while, so be sure to do it in advance.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2014, 09:18:14 PM »
Right, I didn't get the confirmation about phantom power until I turned it off and on again. 
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2014, 10:14:54 PM »
I don't know where I saw it, possibly in the manual, but I've seen a caution that you should turn off the phantom power before powering down the unit, and then turn the phantom power back on after it is powered up and the mics attached.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2014, 11:37:43 AM »
I've only run it twice, but I'm very happy with the sound running straight into the recorder and don't envision using my pre-amp (Littlebox v1). Does anyone have thoughts about running this pre-amp in front of the DR-60D? I have a feeling it is going to collect dust in my gear box.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2014, 02:07:49 PM »
A couple of members said they didn't feel the need for an external preamp back in the first installment of the 60d thread.

I haven't tried an external preamp for comparison yet, but suspect it wouldn't be worth messing with. 


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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2014, 03:22:55 PM »
Right, I recall that which was how I chose to run without a pre the initial runs. I'm very happy with how they came out, but am open to thoughts about a Littlebox in front of it, even though that means more gear in my bag.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2014, 09:28:43 PM »
I dropped my lb just because I wanted smaller and lighter and found the sound to be only slightly different with no real pref one way or the other in overall sound.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2014, 09:37:25 PM »
I dropped my lb just because I wanted smaller and lighter and found the sound to be only slightly different with no real pref one way or the other in overall sound.

Yes, I like having a lighter gear bag.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2014, 03:35:45 PM »

So I've taken my DR60d out for a few runs and I have to report I'm really happy with it. Been using the on board preamps and I'm totally satisfied with the sound. The battery life had me worried at first but I haven't been let down since I picked up a cheap 5V at a local store. On one outing it drained the external and switched over to the rechargeable AAs without a hitch and I was able to finish up the show.

Only thing that has me worried is that it's been quirky on playback. It freezes up and has been a little glitchy. Anyone else having any problems out of it?
Otherwise no issues whatsoever.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2014, 03:47:48 PM »

So I've taken my DR60d out for a few runs and I have to report I'm really happy with it. Been using the on board preamps and I'm totally satisfied with the sound. The battery life had me worried at first but I haven't been let down since I picked up a cheap 5V at a local store. On one outing it drained the external and switched over to the rechargeable AAs without a hitch and I was able to finish up the show.

Only thing that has me worried is that it's been quirky on playback. It freezes up and has been a little glitchy. Anyone else having any problems out of it?
Otherwise no issues whatsoever.

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never played back more then like 30 sec myself.
When you say freezes does it unfreeze or do you have to remove power to shut it down or what happens/how do you fix it?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2014, 03:50:13 PM »
I've had mine since September, 11 shows, with no problems and very pleased with how it performs and sound.  However, I've not tried any playback on the unit.  After a show I plug it into my pc at home and transfer the files. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2014, 04:03:02 PM »
I've had mine since September, 11 shows, with no problems and very pleased with how it performs and sound.  However, I've not tried any playback on the unit.  After a show I plug it into my pc at home and transfer the files.
ditto to the above. I have used it and it was very easy to figure out. To transfer the files, I just take the SD card out of the deck and put it in my card reader as it is faster than plugging the deck into my pc. I too have never tried playback.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2014, 04:11:00 PM »
What bit depth / sample rate were the files you were playing back?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2014, 04:36:43 PM »

I always record at 24 bit/44.1 kHz.

It froze up while fast forwarding in the car on the road home after a show. Had to be shut down then seemed fine.

When I forward or rewind through a file it locks up the meters and freezes for a second or two before restarting playback.

Not a huge deal since I don't have to use it for playback but sometimes I plug it into my "critical listening" playback system when my laptop  is busy in another room.
It makes me wonder if my SD cards are getting long in the tooth or something.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2015, 01:04:50 PM »
It makes me wonder if my SD cards are getting long in the tooth or something.
That could be a possibility and the most logical place to look first.  Here are the SD cards Tascam has tested on the 60D (scroll to the bottom): 

http://tascam.com/product/dr-60d/specifications/

One would assume their testing would have included playing back files with those cards.  I picked up a couple of the Lexar cards @ B&H when they had some good sale prices going on. 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2015, 11:33:23 AM »
I've only used mine for 3 shows so far but i'm very happy with it.  I've had good luck playing shows out of the line out into my house stereo but i've only listened to the whole show.  I did not try fast forwarding but now I will for fun and see who it acts.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2015, 12:21:58 PM »
It makes me wonder if my SD cards are getting long in the tooth or something.
That could be a possibility and the most logical place to look first.  Here are the SD cards Tascam has tested on the 60D (scroll to the bottom): 

http://tascam.com/product/dr-60d/specifications/

One would assume their testing would have included playing back files with those cards.  I picked up a couple of the Lexar cards @ B&H when they had some good sale prices going on.

The Lexar cards have been working like a champ for me in the -60D (and the R-44, for that matter).  I picked up a 3-pack of the 16GB ones last year (HERE) but I see no reason why the 32GB cards wouldn't work just as well.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2015, 12:03:02 PM »
We have a external battery that we bought for a phone at one point and I'm curious if it will be ok to run my DR-60D with both channels of phantom running.  It's one of these: http://www.powerpractical.com/product/lithium-4400-battery-bank

I think my GF's parents bought it for her and one point but she never uses it.  It says it puts out 5V @ 1A. 

I don't really know anything about external power so I'm just curious if it's worth buying something else (this one appears to powering it fine as I'm testing it right now).

edit: I guess my main question is a. is this unit giving less power than some of the others mentioned? and b. if it is, would that have detrimental effects on the functioning of the unit (quality of audio, level of sound floor, etc...) other than battery life?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2015, 12:29:35 PM »
We have a external battery that we bought for a phone at one point and I'm curious if it will be ok to run my DR-60D with both channels of phantom running.  It's one of these: http://www.powerpractical.com/product/lithium-4400-battery-bank

I think my GF's parents bought it for her and one point but she never uses it.  It says it puts out 5V @ 1A. 

I don't really know anything about external power so I'm just curious if it's worth buying something else (this one appears to powering it fine as I'm testing it right now).

edit: I guess my main question is a. is this unit giving less power than some of the others mentioned? and b. if it is, would that have detrimental effects on the functioning of the unit (quality of audio, level of sound floor, etc...) other than battery life?
that should work, you need 5v/1amp which the specs say it is
Should power the unit for approx 3.5 hrs based on my 10k mah battery life with 48v
Keep in mind if you have aa inside too that it will switch over if need be so combined you would have like 5hrs plus
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2015, 12:31:38 PM »
Great, thanks!
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2015, 02:40:48 PM »

Anyone running a preamp into channels 3/4?

If so where are you setting your gain knob on the front?

I plan to run a pre for 3/4 and use the 1/2 for SBD patches when available. The places that I've asked for a patch lately only have XLR matrix outs.

Or run two sets of mics sometimes for shits and giggles.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2015, 02:45:38 PM »

Anyone running a preamp into channels 3/4?

If so where are you setting your gain knob on the front?

I plan to run a pre for 3/4 and use the 1/2 for SBD patches when available. The places that I've asked for a patch lately only have XLR matrix outs.

Or run two sets of mics sometimes for shits and giggles.

You want to calibrate your pre to your deck at -20dbfs. Then just use you pre gain going forward.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2015, 02:46:44 PM »
Anyone running a preamp into channels 3/4?

I plan to run a pre for 3/4 and use the 1/2 for SBD patches when available. The places that I've asked for a patch lately only have XLR matrix outs.

I ran exactly this recently. SBD > XLR> 1/2 and Mics > Aerco > 3/4.
Even with the gain setting the LOW and knobs way down, channels 3/4 were running hot. I also ran into the M10 and was able to mix the two in post. Would applying a gain reduction in the "mixer" of the 60D remedy this? Or should I just use attenuators?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2015, 02:57:02 PM »
I ran exactly this recently. SBD > XLR> 1/2 and Mics > Aerco > 3/4.
Even with the gain setting the LOW and knobs way down, channels 3/4 were running hot. I also ran into the M10 and was able to mix the two in post. Would applying a gain reduction in the "mixer" of the 60D remedy this? Or should I just use attenuators?

Were you running mic-in or line-in on 3/4? 
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2015, 03:01:57 PM »
Were you running mic-in or line-in on 3/4?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2015, 03:32:48 PM »
Were you running mic-in or line-in on 3/4?

Line in

Yeah then I'd say your best bet would be to run some pads between the aerco and the 60D 680.  The low/high mic gain setting only applies when running mic-in.  It's disabled when running line-in.  Just to be clear, was the 680 going over -0 or were the 680 inputs overloading?  I used to have issues of sending the 680 too hot of a signal from external preamps and the 680 inputs would overload.

FWIW my problem lately has been that my preamps (sd mp-2/shure fp-24) were overloading even with their gain all the way down so I had to put some pads between the mics and the preamp.  Pads between the mics and preamp sounded better to me than running the pads on the mics themselves.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2015, 04:17:27 PM »
Yeah then I'd say your best bet would be to run some pads between the aerco and the 680.  The low/high mic gain setting only applies when running mic-in.  It's disabled when running line-in.  Just to be clear, was the 680 going over -0 or were the 680 inputs overloading?  I used to have issues of sending the 680 too hot of a signal from external preamps and the 680 inputs would overload.

FWIW my problem lately has been that my preamps (sd mp-2/shure fp-24) were overloading even with their gain all the way down so I had to put some pads between the mics and the preamp.  Pads between the mics and preamp sounded better to me than running the pads on the mics themselves.

Thanks for the feedback. This was the 60D, not the 680, although I'm assuming the functionality is similar? The levels on the 60D were exceeding -0dB.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2015, 04:58:31 PM »
Whoops, sorry about that.  Had the 680mkii on my mind & forgot I still had notifications 'on' for this thread.   :facepalm:  I've only used my 60D a couple of times so I can't really attest to the similarity of the input settings and will now stfu.   :-[
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2015, 10:29:16 AM »
I have run tinybox > 3/4 at home and once at a show.
I had the tb on mid gain and the 60d on low I believe. Then used the 60d knobs to fine tune
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2015, 07:28:03 PM »
Anyone running a preamp into channels 3/4?

I plan to run a pre for 3/4 and use the 1/2 for SBD patches when available. The places that I've asked for a patch lately only have XLR matrix outs.

I ran exactly this recently. SBD > XLR> 1/2 and Mics > Aerco > 3/4.
Even with the gain setting the LOW and knobs way down, channels 3/4 were running hot. I also ran into the M10 and was able to mix the two in post. Would applying a gain reduction in the "mixer" of the 60D remedy this? Or should I just use attenuators?

I have a cable tester that has a test tone feature so I ran it into all the inputs and set it for -20dB. The channel 1/2 gain knobs were at about 9 o'clock (on low) and one was a little lower than the other which kind of bugs me. Channels 3/4 were knob all the way down and it pegged on -20dB.

I forgot about the mixer function so I went back and looked and all of the channels were set to 100%. I guess you could set it lower there to gain some headroom but I don't know if it would prevent the analog input from clipping and just keep the ADC from going over. I assume that's digital gain reduction between input gain stage and ADC but I'm just guessing.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2015, 07:40:17 PM »
Maybe one of the two knobs wasn't put on by the factory in exactly in the same position as the other one and could be repositioned to match?  or make a matching mark with something?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2015, 10:58:40 PM »
Just bought a DR-60Dmkii... I'm a complete newb - wanting for now to hook up stereo out from a board and a couple of XLR mics at the local open mic nights.
My Q here: is it reasonable to run the board into the stereo 3/4 input?  I don't want to blow out my new toy... 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2015, 11:36:26 PM »
Just bought a DR-60Dmkii... I'm a complete newb - wanting for now to hook up stereo out from a board and a couple of XLR mics at the local open mic nights.
My Q here: is it reasonable to run the board into the stereo 3/4 input?  I don't want to blow out my new toy...
i don't see why you couldn't
Just make sure you have mic power off and prob want to set the gain to low
Might even be able to set it to line, can't recall
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2015, 11:39:55 AM »
Just bought a DR-60Dmkii... I'm a complete newb - wanting for now to hook up stereo out from a board and a couple of XLR mics at the local open mic nights.
My Q here: is it reasonable to run the board into the stereo 3/4 input?  I don't want to blow out my new toy...

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2015, 05:33:44 PM »
I ran a board feed into channels 3/4 for the first time last night and the levels were way hot. The sound guy was running the same feed into channels 1/2 of his own 60D and he wasn't having a problem. Now, he was a nice guy and decreased the levels for me, but it seems I will need some attenuators in case I don't get a pleasant sound guy or one too busy to help. Does this seem right?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2015, 07:26:35 PM »
I ran a board feed into channels 3/4 for the first time last night and the levels were way hot. The sound guy was running the same feed into channels 1/2 of his own 60D and he wasn't having a problem. Now, he was a nice guy and decreased the levels for me, but it seems I will need some attenuators in case I don't get a pleasant sound guy or one too busy to help. Does this seem right?

Yes. The 3/4 input runs a good bit hotter than the 1/2 based on calibrating it with a test tone. Make sure that your input is set for low gain and someone mentioned here that you can decrease gain in the mixer settings though I don't know if that will help avoid clipping the inputs without outboard attenuation...however if you are getting overs that aren't audibly clipping the input it could save you at the ADC stage.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2015, 08:17:33 PM »
I ran a board feed into channels 3/4 for the first time last night and the levels were way hot. The sound guy was running the same feed into channels 1/2 of his own 60D and he wasn't having a problem. Now, he was a nice guy and decreased the levels for me, but it seems I will need some attenuators in case I don't get a pleasant sound guy or one too busy to help. Does this seem right?

Yes. The 3/4 input runs a good bit hotter than the 1/2 based on calibrating it with a test tone. Make sure that your input is set for low gain and someone mentioned here that you can decrease gain in the mixer settings though I don't know if that will help avoid clipping the inputs without outboard attenuation...however if you are getting overs that aren't audibly clipping the input it could save you at the ADC stage.



Yes, I set the input for low gain on 3/4.

In your tests, how much hotter is 3/4 than 1/2?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2015, 09:56:48 PM »

Test tone at +4 dBu (pro level) with all front panel gain knobs all the way down

input 1 on XLR and TRS, line in setting, LOW, mixer 100 = -33
input 2   same                                                             = -34
input 3 TS>mini, LOW, mixer 100                                 =   -6
input 4   same                                                             =   -6

So it's a lot more sensitive.

I plan on running my preamp TS to mini into 3/4 and using the 1/2 for SBDs or another set of mics when the opportunity arises. Most of the patches I get offered are XLR (sometimes TRS) anyway.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2015, 10:01:16 PM »
I'm tryiing to keep a preamp (and associated power source) out of my bag, so I guess I'll look for attenuators. I have all the connectors I need. Thanks for the info.

ETA: Has anyone actually used the mixer settings to successfully adjust the incoming signal on 3/4 without it being brickwalled prior to the mixer reduction?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2015, 10:05:12 PM »

Test tone at +4 dBu (pro level) with all front panel gain knobs all the way down

input 1 on XLR and TRS, line in setting, LOW, mixer 100 = -33
input 2   same                                                             = -34
input 3 TS>mini, LOW, mixer 100                                 =   -6
input 4   same                                                             =   -6

So it's a lot more sensitive.

I plan on running my preamp TS to mini into 3/4 and using the 1/2 for SBDs or another set of mics when the opportunity arises. Most of the patches I get offered are XLR (sometimes TRS) anyway.
maybe that's why there is no med gain on 3/4
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2015, 01:13:18 AM »
I am new and alone in figuring this out.  However it will likely take someone her 2 minutes to answer my questions.
1- Are the preamps on channels 1/2 and 3/4 the same? 
2- If I want to run a 2nd pair of mics through a phantom power unit connected to channels 3/4, can I expect the same sound quality as channels 1/2? 
3- Any suggestions on cable adapter to get from phantom power unit or separate preamp to channels 3/4 input (3.5mm)?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #61 on: April 28, 2015, 08:50:38 AM »
I would say they're most likely not the same because with 1/2 we have phantom mic pres whereas 3/4 is a line level input (unless there is a setting I haven't found yet with a pad of some sort).  I haven't had any issues with a difference in quality between the two.  Your best bet (and what I've been doing) is either come out of a pre with a mini TRS output (I think the littleboxes had something like that) or just get a dual XLR > TRS mini cable.  I tend to use 3/4 for board patches and my most common scenario has me going Berliners > 1/2 & L/R XLR SBD > TRS Mini > 3/4
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2015, 11:11:14 AM »
I am new and alone in figuring this out.  However it will likely take someone her 2 minutes to answer my questions.
1- Are the preamps on channels 1/2 and 3/4 the same? 
2- If I want to run a 2nd pair of mics through a phantom power unit connected to channels 3/4, can I expect the same sound quality as channels 1/2? 
3- Any suggestions on cable adapter to get from phantom power unit or separate preamp to channels 3/4 input (3.5mm)?

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I agree with opsopcopolis, I have not detected any difference in sound quality between 1/2 and 3/4.
Any preamp with 1/8 TRS out will work just fine into 3/4. I generally use my Naiant Tinybox as it is small and allows me to then have XLR with Phantom on 3/4. This weekend I also used my Sound devices USB pre2 as I had plenty of room in my bag. I just used the 1/8 from the USB Pre2 out into the Tascam and it sounded great.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2015, 11:58:43 AM »

Test tone at +4 dBu (pro level) with all front panel gain knobs all the way down

input 1 on XLR and TRS, line in setting, LOW, mixer 100 = -33
input 2   same                                                             = -34
input 3 TS>mini, LOW, mixer 100                                 =   -6
input 4   same                                                             =   -6

So it's a lot more sensitive.

I plan on running my preamp TS to mini into 3/4 and using the 1/2 for SBDs or another set of mics when the opportunity arises. Most of the patches I get offered are XLR (sometimes TRS) anyway.
maybe that's why there is no med gain on 3/4


I had noticed that 3/4 is considerably hotter than 1/2 so I used a 20db attenuator.
Still slightly hotter than 1/2 so I bought a 25db attenuator.
Of course, I have not gotten a board since purchasing it...


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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #64 on: April 29, 2015, 02:55:04 PM »
Thanks everyone for the advice.  This is exactly what I needed to know!  Love this site and definitely appreciate all time, effort, and information you tapers offer up here.

I would say they're most likely not the same because with 1/2 we have phantom mic pres whereas 3/4 is a line level input (unless there is a setting I haven't found yet with a pad of some sort).  I haven't had any issues with a difference in quality between the two.  Your best bet (and what I've been doing) is either come out of a pre with a mini TRS output (I think the littleboxes had something like that) or just get a dual XLR > TRS mini cable.  I tend to use 3/4 for board patches and my most common scenario has me going Berliners > 1/2 & L/R XLR SBD > TRS Mini > 3/4

 I assume you are referring to a dual FEMALE XLR > TRS mini cable. 

I agree with opsopcopolis, I have not detected any difference in sound quality between 1/2 and 3/4.
Any preamp with 1/8 TRS out will work just fine into 3/4. I generally use my Naiant Tinybox as it is small and allows me to then have XLR with Phantom on 3/4. This weekend I also used my Sound devices USB pre2 as I had plenty of room in my bag. I just used the 1/8 from the USB Pre2 out into the Tascam and it sounded great.

Since I currently afford a preamp that would be considered an upgrade to the current quality in the DR-60, I will likely purchase an ART Phantom II to get Phantom power on the 3/4.  I'll wait on reviews of the new DR-680 mkii and a few more paychecks before I consider a separate preamp.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2015, 08:43:26 PM »
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2015, 09:23:24 PM »
Checking into this thread. I just picked up DR-60D. I am looking forward to running it with my Berliner CM-33s.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2015, 11:45:00 PM »
The pres on the old 680 were good enough to not really need a preamp unless you define need as wanting the taste of a particular preamp.  The price of the mkii may come down after it has been on the market a few months. 

Where the 60d shines is to run a soundboard feed into the 1\8 and mics in the xlrs.  No pre needed for that.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2015, 12:29:01 AM »
The pres on the old 680 were good enough to not really need a preamp unless you define need as wanting the taste of a particular preamp.  The price of the mkii may come down after it has been on the market a few months. 

Where the 60d shines is to run a soundboard feed into the 1\8 and mics in the xlrs.  No pre needed for that.

Are the pres in the original DR-60D the same as the 680? or only on the mkii?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2015, 07:39:14 AM »
When I first bought a DR-60D, I borrowed a V-2 and ran it in front of the 60D. I took it out of the chain after a few recordings and decided I liked the sound of the built-in pres better. YMMV. Most everything I have taped with this unit has been mics>DR-60D. Sounds great to me.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2015, 08:27:08 AM »
When I first bought a DR-60D, I borrowed a V-2 and ran it in front of the 60D. I took it out of the chain after a few recordings and decided I liked the sound of the built-in pres better. YMMV. Most everything I have taped with this unit has been mics>DR-60D. Sounds great to me.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2015, 11:35:16 AM »
Are the pres in the original DR-60D the same as the 680? or only on the mkii?

No, the pres on the original DR-60D are not the same as those on the 680.  IIRC, I believe it was Tascam themselves that confirmed this.  From what I understand they are as good but have a slightly different flavor.  And like hoppedup, I think the -60D's pres sound great as is and don't feel the need to use an external preamp.

As far as the -60DMKII preamps being the same as the 680's, is that fact or just speculation?  Honest question.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2015, 11:54:53 AM »
I've lost track of which model has which preamps. 

I compared the 60d directly with the 680 using the same mics on a piano, and they were very, very close, but I have no recollection about the preamps in the mkii versions.  It could be determined by reading the various threads on each of these models.  Seems like the pres in the 680mkii were mentioned in the 680mkii thread. 

Of the 60d, 70d and 680, the 60d still has the best user interface, IMO. You aren't likely to engage phantom power accidentally and the 1/8 input is ganged.  You also have manual control over the 1/8 output to camera. 

The weakness of the 680mkii at the present price point is it's not that far away from the Zoom 8 with timecode.   It remains to be seen what the Zoom will do, but I wouldn't sink $600 in a mkii at this point. 

The 60d is virtually at a give away price in the YS lately. 
 

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« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2015, 12:35:38 PM »
The 60d is virtually at a give away price in the YS lately.

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« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2015, 12:47:29 PM »
When I first bought a DR-60D, I borrowed a V-2 and ran it in front of the 60D. I took it out of the chain after a few recordings and decided I liked the sound of the built-in pres better. YMMV. Most everything I have taped with this unit has been mics>DR-60D. Sounds great to me.

That's great to hear. I'm planning to go mics > DR-60D.
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« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2015, 10:23:29 PM »
Since I currently afford a preamp that would be considered an upgrade to the current quality in the DR-60, I will likely purchase an ART Phantom II to get Phantom power on the 3/4.  I'll wait on reviews of the new DR-680 mkii and a few more paychecks before I consider a separate preamp.

I have an ART Phantom II I was going to put in the YS soon. It simple and provides phantom power for not much money.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2015, 09:12:05 AM »

A friend asked me to shoot video for a poetry reading event at his bar so I plan to use my Nikon DSLR and my DR60d. I plan to put a single cardioid condenser in the vicinity of the single vocal mic they are using for the reading and run it through my DR60d and into my camera through the mic input. During the dry run the levels were kind of low and hissy on playback. I guess I need to run my camera out off the deck into the mic in a little hotter but I have very little faith in the on board mic pres on the camera.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2015, 04:08:10 PM »


That's what I experienced the first time using the DR60d with a camcorder, but my levels were off.  My camera out dial on my 60d is now set a little over 8, and I had to turn my camcorder gain down. 

Do you recall what level you had your camera out set to? 

All this assumes your mic gain going into the 60d is set to an appropriate level--not too soft.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2015, 05:12:58 PM »


That's what I experienced the first time using the DR60d with a camcorder, but my levels were off.  My camera out dial on my 60d is now set a little over 8, and I had to turn my camcorder gain down. 

Do you recall what level you had your camera out set to? 

All this assumes your mic gain going into the 60d is set to an appropriate level--not too soft.
i had the same issue and almost returned the dr-60d
Finally figured it out and it was the camera gain being to high too.
Never had an issue except with the 60d but now I got it dialed in for that too and it works great.
I have the 60d around 5/6 and my canon camcorder dropped down around 35
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2015, 06:57:23 PM »
I suspect I am too conservative on my main input levels on my mics, and that probably accounts for why my camera gain is about 8 while yours is 5/6. If I had my levels set right, I'd probably have to drop the camera gain out. 
   

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« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2015, 10:38:15 AM »

Couldn't seem to get it right. Lots of introduced hum and noise on the camera audio. Ended up having to sync the recorder audio later which is no big deal I was just trying to save myself an extra step.
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« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2015, 02:48:16 PM »
Could be a bad cable or maybe the camera input isn't that great?

It might take a few times to find the right settings.   

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« Reply #82 on: May 22, 2015, 06:59:11 AM »

Couldn't seem to get it right. Lots of introduced hum and noise on the camera audio. Ended up having to sync the recorder audio later which is no big deal I was just trying to save myself an extra step.
play around just recording the radio at home.
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« Reply #83 on: May 22, 2015, 08:48:11 AM »

Couldn't seem to get it right. Lots of introduced hum and noise on the camera audio. Ended up having to sync the recorder audio later which is no big deal I was just trying to save myself an extra step.
play around just recording the radio at home.
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I might shoot some rock band stuff at a few upcoming shows and see if I can work out the levels thing. The levels display on the camera is taking some getting used to and the input is really sensitive. Music will be different than my first outing doing the poetry reading thing with one mono condenser.
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« Reply #84 on: May 22, 2015, 11:36:51 AM »
I'm slightly embarrassed to say I've never tried it, but if you have a recording on your 60d that has levels you are satisfied with, perhaps you could play it back and send a feed to the camera to determine the appropriate level of output on the 60d and the level of input on the 3200. I don't know if the 60d outputs in playback or in recording mode only???

I didn't find any specific discussion of the 3200 input gain.  I did find some posts elsewhere suggesting an input level of 6 on the D800, but that's a higher end and different model.

If you have a dynamic poetry reader, you could be trying to record soft spoken words one second and near shouting the next.  It is difficult to set levels for this. 




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« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2015, 12:20:42 PM »
I'm slightly embarrassed to say I've never tried it, but if you have a recording on your 60d that has levels you are satisfied with, perhaps you could play it back and send a feed to the camera to determine the appropriate level of output on the 60d and the level of input on the 3200. I don't know if the 60d outputs in playback or in recording mode only???

I didn't find any specific discussion of the 3200 input gain.  I did find some posts elsewhere suggesting an input level of 6 on the D800, but that's a higher end and different model.

If you have a dynamic poetry reader, you could be trying to record soft spoken words one second and near shouting the next.  It is difficult to set levels for this.

I have to admit that recording a spoken word event was a lot more challenging than I suspected. Mainly due to the lack of microphone skills of the participants. One guy kept wagging his head from side to side and talking out of the side of his mouth. The "headliner" had a little more wits about her from the performance side and kept a direct microphone in front of mouth presence the entire time, voice volume nice and even, so her audio definitely came out better.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2015, 05:39:29 PM »
As far as the spoken word vs concert music goes if you get the camera and 60d working in synch it shouldn't matter much on the input volume of the source. At least that's what I found.
Once dialed in I could record just normal room noise or peak at -3db with music and it sounded good but until then I had the hiss issue
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« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2015, 07:44:20 AM »
Just a bit of an FYI/warning...

I was using my mk1 60D last week when it started throwing up "write timeout" error messages. I'd been being a bit lax and hadn't formatted the card for a while so assumed that it had got fragmented. (Sandisk 16GB class 10 - previously worked flawlessly in this machine and in HD video cameras, full to capacity)

Formatting the card locked the Tascam up so I had to disconnect the USB power supply and pull the batteries out to shut it down. It would then not recognize or format the SD card. I tried formatting the card in the promoter's laptop, which it completely crashed, repeatedly.

I eventually managed to format the card in one of my PCs (which took an awfully long time) but on testing it again in the Tascam the write timeouts started happening again after about two hours of 4-channel 48/24 recording.

So, that card is going in the bin and there will be no more travelling without a spare SD card for me...
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #88 on: May 30, 2015, 10:21:16 AM »
As far as the spoken word vs concert music goes if you get the camera and 60d working in synch it shouldn't matter much on the input volume of the source. At least that's what I found.
Once dialed in I could record just normal room noise or peak at -3db with music and it sounded good but until then I had the hiss issue

I've recorded quite a few speakers.  Some are no problem.  The ones who go from a whisper to a shout in a millisecond are the troublemakers.  Usually, I stick a compressor in the chain if I know I'm going to be recording someone like that.  Amplified music seems to stay in a more consistent dynamic range and is less of a problem.  My experience anyway.


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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2015, 10:44:30 PM »
Just a bit of an FYI/warning...

I was using my mk1 60D last week when it started throwing up "write timeout" error messages. I'd been being a bit lax and hadn't formatted the card for a while so assumed that it had got fragmented. (Sandisk 16GB class 10 - previously worked flawlessly in this machine and in HD video cameras, full to capacity)

Formatting the card locked the Tascam up so I had to disconnect the USB power supply and pull the batteries out to shut it down. It would then not recognize or format the SD card. I tried formatting the card in the promoter's laptop, which it completely crashed, repeatedly.

I eventually managed to format the card in one of my PCs (which took an awfully long time) but on testing it again in the Tascam the write timeouts started happening again after about two hours of 4-channel 48/24 recording.

So, that card is going in the bin and there will be no more travelling without a spare SD card for me...
I find formating takes forever too although I have not had issues
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2015, 06:50:46 AM »
I find formating takes forever too although I have not had issues

Yeah, I'm not sure if if was just taking a long time or had truly locked up.

In the final analysis, it looks like the SD card had failed anyway but I'm going to make sure I know how long a format in the DR-60D is meant to take before I use it in anger again.

All could have been saved by a spare SD card in the bag  :facepalm:
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2015, 01:49:42 PM »
Minor bug fix update on the TASCAM website today.   

DR-60D: V1.21  http://tascam.com/product/dr-60d/downloads/
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2015, 05:15:52 PM »
Just a bit of an FYI/warning...

I was using my mk1 60D last week when it started throwing up "write timeout" error messages. I'd been being a bit lax and hadn't formatted the card for a while so assumed that it had got fragmented. (Sandisk 16GB class 10 - previously worked flawlessly in this machine and in HD video cameras, full to capacity)

Formatting the card locked the Tascam up so I had to disconnect the USB power supply and pull the batteries out to shut it down. It would then not recognize or format the SD card. I tried formatting the card in the promoter's laptop, which it completely crashed, repeatedly.

I eventually managed to format the card in one of my PCs (which took an awfully long time) but on testing it again in the Tascam the write timeouts started happening again after about two hours of 4-channel 48/24 recording.

So, that card is going in the bin and there will be no more travelling without a spare SD card for me...

A full format can take 30 to 45 minutes, more with a larger card of course, so it sounds like there is a good chance you stopped the deck while the card was still being formatted. That would probably ruin the card. I never do a full format unless I am home and the concert is the next day  8) A quick format takes a minute or so though.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2015, 06:56:33 AM »
I have been following the 60D threads and don't think anyone has mentioned (I could be wrong) power cable options. I have been using one of these cables, which exits the usb cable to the rear of the unit, and find it very handy for keeping my rig footprint smaller in my bag. Previously I just used a cable that came straight out.

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« Reply #95 on: March 25, 2016, 11:41:12 AM »
Hey all, couple of quick questions on the DR-60D. First, am I correct that the millisecond delay is fixed on channel 1? It shows "ref" and I can't change it. Makes sense, since one channel would need to be fixed so that the delay can be set on the other channels, but just wanting to make sure that's the way it's supposed to be.

2nd, I'm still on the 1.20 0037 firmware. Has anyone had any issues upgrading to 1.21?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2016, 11:56:00 AM »
Hey all, couple of quick questions on the DR-60D. First, am I correct that the millisecond delay is fixed on channel 1? It shows "ref" and I can't change it. Makes sense, since one channel would need to be fixed so that the delay can be set on the other channels, but just wanting to make sure that's the way it's supposed to be.

2nd, I'm still on the 1.20 0037 firmware. Has anyone had any issues upgrading to 1.21?

I'm thinking about getting a bottle of red fingernail polish and painting the handles so I can claim I have the mkII upgrade lol  ;D

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Of course, if this is all 1.21 addresses, maybe I'll just leave well enough alone......

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #97 on: April 27, 2016, 09:53:15 AM »
I really love my DR-60D except for one thing. The line 3/4 mini input almost never seems to provide a really secure and tight fit, at least with the cables I'm using. On one or two occasions when only slightly moving the deck, it's caused a short and subsequent buzz on the recording.

I haven't read every post in this thread but can't seem to find anything on that specific problem. Any suggestions on what I can do to lessen that risk?

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« Reply #98 on: April 27, 2016, 10:00:14 AM »
I really love my DR-60D except for one thing. The line 3/4 mini input almost never seems to provide a really secure and tight fit, at least with the cables I'm using. On one or two occasions when only slightly moving the deck, it's caused a short and subsequent buzz on the recording.

I haven't read every post in this thread but can't seem to find anything on that specific problem. Any suggestions on what I can do to lessen that risk?

Are you using the XLRs?

If you've tried a few cables - it could be the input jack has been torqued on and is out of spec or loose on the circuit board somehow.
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« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2016, 10:20:09 AM »
I really love my DR-60D except for one thing. The line 3/4 mini input almost never seems to provide a really secure and tight fit, at least with the cables I'm using. On one or two occasions when only slightly moving the deck, it's caused a short and subsequent buzz on the recording.

I haven't read every post in this thread but can't seem to find anything on that specific problem. Any suggestions on what I can do to lessen that risk?

Are you using the XLRs?

If you've tried a few cables - it could be the input jack has been torqued on and is out of spec or loose on the circuit board somehow.
I use all of the inputs 99% of the time. so yes I always use the XLR/1/4 inputs. What I use depends on what outputs I can get from the soundboard at the time. For example my most recent problem was when I was using 1/4" inputs on channels 1 and 2 from the soundboard (no issues ever on those inputs) and running my TOA mics via XLRs>right angle stereo mini cable into channels 3/4.

I've used a total of three different stereo mini cables or cables that turn into that in the channel 3/4 input. None of them seem to provide a secure/tight fit.

I'd consider the DR-70 except that I need (or at least I want) to have the ability to monitor the board and aud feeds separately.

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« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2016, 01:16:19 PM »
The 1\8 input on my 60d is a good fit.  If you are using a quality connector like a neutrik, something isn't right for you to have a loose connection.  Is your 60d still under warranty?

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« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2016, 01:22:17 PM »
The 1\8 input on my 60d is a good fit.  If you are using a quality connector like a neutrik, something isn't right for you to have a loose connection.  Is your 60d still under warranty?
Good question, I think the answer is no since I purchased it just over two years ago. I believe my XLR>right angle mini is neutrik but the other two mini connectors I've used are definitely not.
The problem I'm referring to has happened infrequently, but enough that I'd like to not have that worry at all.

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« Reply #102 on: April 29, 2016, 10:24:32 AM »
1 year warranty. 

Ideally, the problem would be the plug and not the 1\8 input.

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« Reply #103 on: April 29, 2016, 11:40:57 PM »
Never had an issues with my 1/8
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« Reply #104 on: April 30, 2016, 01:50:12 AM »
Do you guys notice anymore noise with the 1/8" Input, compared to the XLR Inputs? I think Ive noticed that on my 70d, but haven't done any real testing!
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« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2016, 12:10:23 PM »
Going off recollection, I think the op amp on the 1\8 is different than the op amp on the xlr inputs on the 70d.

I am glad the 60d has the 1\8 input and a single ganged control. 

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« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2016, 12:23:31 PM »
Going off recollection, I think the op amp on the 1\8 is different than the op amp on the xlr inputs on the 70d.

I am glad the 60d has the 1\8 input and a single ganged control. 

Yes, they def have different op amps! I swear I can hear a little more noise on the EXT 1/2 1/8" Input of the 70d compared to the 4 x XLR Inputs! I guess that's kind of expected! I was running an M10 as backup to my 70d, and I could SLIGHTLY hear a lil more noise on the M10 source, since it has the 1/8" input, compared to the quieter XLR Inputs of the 70d! That's another reason why I sold my last M10 and bought a 2nd 70d!

Just wondered if the 60d is the same way? I could only hear the noise during very quiet parts though.... And you prefer the single ganged control of channels 3/4 on the 60d? I could def see where that would be useful! Since I mainly run my VMS02IB into channels 3/4 of my 70d, I like being able to control left/right levels since the VMS just has a single gain knob :)
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2016, 11:00:35 PM »
I think there is also a difference in the xlr v 1/8 input op amps on the 60d as well, but again, I'm going off recollection or faulty imagination!

The only mics I use on the 1/8 input are a pair of AT853's or a pair of DPA 4061s.  I don't have a way of running either pair into the XLR inputs to compare to the 1/8 input.  But the ganged control is nice when using a pair of either of these mics which is the way I've got them set up. 

I have more problems with wookies messing with my mics and sound board operators messing up the sound than anything having to do with the recorder.   

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #108 on: May 01, 2016, 11:57:07 AM »
Never had an issues with my 1/8
I am using cables made by darktrain
I think the answer is simple and is what I suspected, use better cables...thanks all for the feedback!

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #109 on: May 02, 2016, 12:28:48 AM »
I think there is also a difference in the xlr v 1/8 input op amps on the 60d as well, but again, I'm going off recollection or faulty imagination!

The only mics I use on the 1/8 input are a pair of AT853's or a pair of DPA 4061s.  I don't have a way of running either pair into the XLR inputs to compare to the 1/8 input.  But the ganged control is nice when using a pair of either of these mics which is the way I've got them set up. 

I have more problems with wookies messing with my mics and sound board operators messing up the sound than anything having to do with the recorder.   

Thanks for the info 8) I love that the 60d/70d has Plug-In Power on that EXT 1/2 1/8" input too! I have never used it, but it sounds like you wouldn't need a BB/Preamp in front of the 60d/70d and could just run mini mics>EXT 1/2 Input w PIP ON and get sufficient gain :) Is that how you run your AT853's and DPA4061's ??? Pretty cool option IMO! Just another reason the 60d/70d are the best options out there, especially for the price :)
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #110 on: May 02, 2016, 10:25:06 AM »
I think the 60d and the 70d are both pretty cool, too.

So...last night I'm all set to record and this guy plops down next to my mics with a Sony DSLR and now I have a great recording with click, click, click...all over it. Saw it coming and tried to persuade him to shoot from another location to no avail.   Then there was the guy trying to cough up something behind me about 3/4 of the way through the concert. 

In the grand scheme of things, the recorders aren't really the problem anymore.

 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #111 on: October 04, 2018, 05:52:22 PM »
Measured the PIP voltage with a multimeter and for both of the cables I tested (12” and 12’) it had a 2.485 V output. Compared to the ~2.25 V measured from my DR-22wl. So a 10% increase in comparison, but still not nearly enough to provide adequate power for CA-11/14s or AT-853s without a battery box.

I’d be interested to see what an M-10 puts out.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #112 on: October 04, 2018, 06:59:19 PM »
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #113 on: October 05, 2018, 12:00:55 AM »
I’d be interested to see what an M-10 puts out.

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=139856.0

That device is pretty spectacular.

I’m getting a DR-07 as part of a package deal in the YS (was a generous throw in!) and I’ll test it’s PIP voltage next.
Mics: Avantone CK-1s, CA-14 omnis
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Recorders: DR-60d mkII, DR-22wl, DR-07

 

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