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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2015, 03:32:48 PM »
Were you running mic-in or line-in on 3/4?

Line in

Yeah then I'd say your best bet would be to run some pads between the aerco and the 60D 680.  The low/high mic gain setting only applies when running mic-in.  It's disabled when running line-in.  Just to be clear, was the 680 going over -0 or were the 680 inputs overloading?  I used to have issues of sending the 680 too hot of a signal from external preamps and the 680 inputs would overload.

FWIW my problem lately has been that my preamps (sd mp-2/shure fp-24) were overloading even with their gain all the way down so I had to put some pads between the mics and the preamp.  Pads between the mics and preamp sounded better to me than running the pads on the mics themselves.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2015, 04:17:27 PM »
Yeah then I'd say your best bet would be to run some pads between the aerco and the 680.  The low/high mic gain setting only applies when running mic-in.  It's disabled when running line-in.  Just to be clear, was the 680 going over -0 or were the 680 inputs overloading?  I used to have issues of sending the 680 too hot of a signal from external preamps and the 680 inputs would overload.

FWIW my problem lately has been that my preamps (sd mp-2/shure fp-24) were overloading even with their gain all the way down so I had to put some pads between the mics and the preamp.  Pads between the mics and preamp sounded better to me than running the pads on the mics themselves.

Thanks for the feedback. This was the 60D, not the 680, although I'm assuming the functionality is similar? The levels on the 60D were exceeding -0dB.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2015, 04:58:31 PM »
Whoops, sorry about that.  Had the 680mkii on my mind & forgot I still had notifications 'on' for this thread.   :facepalm:  I've only used my 60D a couple of times so I can't really attest to the similarity of the input settings and will now stfu.   :-[
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2015, 10:29:16 AM »
I have run tinybox > 3/4 at home and once at a show.
I had the tb on mid gain and the 60d on low I believe. Then used the 60d knobs to fine tune
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2015, 07:28:03 PM »
Anyone running a preamp into channels 3/4?

I plan to run a pre for 3/4 and use the 1/2 for SBD patches when available. The places that I've asked for a patch lately only have XLR matrix outs.

I ran exactly this recently. SBD > XLR> 1/2 and Mics > Aerco > 3/4.
Even with the gain setting the LOW and knobs way down, channels 3/4 were running hot. I also ran into the M10 and was able to mix the two in post. Would applying a gain reduction in the "mixer" of the 60D remedy this? Or should I just use attenuators?

I have a cable tester that has a test tone feature so I ran it into all the inputs and set it for -20dB. The channel 1/2 gain knobs were at about 9 o'clock (on low) and one was a little lower than the other which kind of bugs me. Channels 3/4 were knob all the way down and it pegged on -20dB.

I forgot about the mixer function so I went back and looked and all of the channels were set to 100%. I guess you could set it lower there to gain some headroom but I don't know if it would prevent the analog input from clipping and just keep the ADC from going over. I assume that's digital gain reduction between input gain stage and ADC but I'm just guessing.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2015, 07:40:17 PM »
Maybe one of the two knobs wasn't put on by the factory in exactly in the same position as the other one and could be repositioned to match?  or make a matching mark with something?

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2015, 10:58:40 PM »
Just bought a DR-60Dmkii... I'm a complete newb - wanting for now to hook up stereo out from a board and a couple of XLR mics at the local open mic nights.
My Q here: is it reasonable to run the board into the stereo 3/4 input?  I don't want to blow out my new toy... 

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2015, 11:36:26 PM »
Just bought a DR-60Dmkii... I'm a complete newb - wanting for now to hook up stereo out from a board and a couple of XLR mics at the local open mic nights.
My Q here: is it reasonable to run the board into the stereo 3/4 input?  I don't want to blow out my new toy...
i don't see why you couldn't
Just make sure you have mic power off and prob want to set the gain to low
Might even be able to set it to line, can't recall
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2015, 11:39:55 AM »
Just bought a DR-60Dmkii... I'm a complete newb - wanting for now to hook up stereo out from a board and a couple of XLR mics at the local open mic nights.
My Q here: is it reasonable to run the board into the stereo 3/4 input?  I don't want to blow out my new toy...

Yep, I do it all the time.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2015, 05:33:44 PM »
I ran a board feed into channels 3/4 for the first time last night and the levels were way hot. The sound guy was running the same feed into channels 1/2 of his own 60D and he wasn't having a problem. Now, he was a nice guy and decreased the levels for me, but it seems I will need some attenuators in case I don't get a pleasant sound guy or one too busy to help. Does this seem right?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2015, 07:26:35 PM »
I ran a board feed into channels 3/4 for the first time last night and the levels were way hot. The sound guy was running the same feed into channels 1/2 of his own 60D and he wasn't having a problem. Now, he was a nice guy and decreased the levels for me, but it seems I will need some attenuators in case I don't get a pleasant sound guy or one too busy to help. Does this seem right?

Yes. The 3/4 input runs a good bit hotter than the 1/2 based on calibrating it with a test tone. Make sure that your input is set for low gain and someone mentioned here that you can decrease gain in the mixer settings though I don't know if that will help avoid clipping the inputs without outboard attenuation...however if you are getting overs that aren't audibly clipping the input it could save you at the ADC stage.

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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2015, 08:17:33 PM »
I ran a board feed into channels 3/4 for the first time last night and the levels were way hot. The sound guy was running the same feed into channels 1/2 of his own 60D and he wasn't having a problem. Now, he was a nice guy and decreased the levels for me, but it seems I will need some attenuators in case I don't get a pleasant sound guy or one too busy to help. Does this seem right?

Yes. The 3/4 input runs a good bit hotter than the 1/2 based on calibrating it with a test tone. Make sure that your input is set for low gain and someone mentioned here that you can decrease gain in the mixer settings though I don't know if that will help avoid clipping the inputs without outboard attenuation...however if you are getting overs that aren't audibly clipping the input it could save you at the ADC stage.



Yes, I set the input for low gain on 3/4.

In your tests, how much hotter is 3/4 than 1/2?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2015, 09:56:48 PM »

Test tone at +4 dBu (pro level) with all front panel gain knobs all the way down

input 1 on XLR and TRS, line in setting, LOW, mixer 100 = -33
input 2   same                                                             = -34
input 3 TS>mini, LOW, mixer 100                                 =   -6
input 4   same                                                             =   -6

So it's a lot more sensitive.

I plan on running my preamp TS to mini into 3/4 and using the 1/2 for SBDs or another set of mics when the opportunity arises. Most of the patches I get offered are XLR (sometimes TRS) anyway.
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2015, 10:01:16 PM »
I'm tryiing to keep a preamp (and associated power source) out of my bag, so I guess I'll look for attenuators. I have all the connectors I need. Thanks for the info.

ETA: Has anyone actually used the mixer settings to successfully adjust the incoming signal on 3/4 without it being brickwalled prior to the mixer reduction?
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Re: Tascam DR-60D (part 2) & upgraded DR-60Dmkii
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2015, 10:05:12 PM »

Test tone at +4 dBu (pro level) with all front panel gain knobs all the way down

input 1 on XLR and TRS, line in setting, LOW, mixer 100 = -33
input 2   same                                                             = -34
input 3 TS>mini, LOW, mixer 100                                 =   -6
input 4   same                                                             =   -6

So it's a lot more sensitive.

I plan on running my preamp TS to mini into 3/4 and using the 1/2 for SBDs or another set of mics when the opportunity arises. Most of the patches I get offered are XLR (sometimes TRS) anyway.
maybe that's why there is no med gain on 3/4
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