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Omnis for outdoor back ups
« on: August 07, 2015, 12:13:49 PM »
I got wind-hosed at Rockygrass this year.  The wind was horrible and I had not recorded outdoors in a while so I forgot my big ass DPAs and dead wooks.  I haven't had the juevos to listen to any of it yet since I am pretty sure what I walked away with.  (rumble-rumble!)

With that said I am considering a pair of omni's to run into channels 3 & 4 as "back ups" in a CYA effort.  When I say "no budget" please take it with a grain of salt.  It means that I'm cool with some OM1's but might also be willing to part with my CCM4 pair to get some CCM5's.

I am interested in opinions.  I also have a pair of KM100 bodies so AK30's are not totally out of the picture.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2015, 12:33:36 PM »
An omni you are able to run in the optimal configuration is going to be far better than one you can only run in a compromised configuration. 

I'm partial to DPA 4060/4061.  For me they represent an omni price/performance sweet spot.  But in addition, and for the reason stated above, their super small size and minimal weight is crucial because I could not otherwise achieve an appropriate spacing configuration supported by a single stand when open recording outdoors, at least not easily in a visually unobtrusive way.  For two-channel use alone outdoors, I'd space omnis no less than 3'.  If they are to be mixed with a center microphone or microphone pair, better to space them 5 or 6' (basically double the spacing used alone).

A higher quality omni, used in a compromised setup with less A-B spacing, will be a step backwards rather than upwards in the quality of the resulting recording.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2015, 01:36:29 PM »
An omni you are able to run in the optimal configuration is going to be far better than one you can only run in a compromised configuration. 

A higher quality omni, used in a compromised setup with less A-B spacing, will be a step backwards rather than upwards in the quality of the resulting recording.

true, but even a lower quality omni used in a less than optimal configuration will probably produce a recording that is at least listenable vs rumble-rumble from un or under protected cards

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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 02:32:34 PM »
Yes, that's the basic truth of it of course as long as something listenable is good enough.  I just figured that was assumed.  Since he's considering using high-quality omnis, I was attempting to make a finer distinction of noting a correlation between the ability of achieving an optimal configuration verses mic quality, and the effects of that relationship on the resulting recording.  With the goal being best possible recording rather than just getting something listenable which isn't swamped in wind rumble.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 04:21:55 PM »
http://avensonaudio.com/sto2/

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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 06:10:53 PM »
http://avensonaudio.com/sto2/

Best I've heard or owned.

And ~$550 a pair they don't break the bank!

I should pull out my Schoeps MK2s>RBox recordings from Rockygrass 2006.  (Yes, MK2s not MK2)  The omnis were split about 25' and I feel confident that Davery and I walked away from the festival that year with some of the best sounding ambient recordings.

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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 07:00:45 PM »
Richard Skaggs has pulled a lot of nice mk2s recordings at telluride bluegrass for several years, check etree.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 07:25:56 PM »
I'd get the ccm5s. I like the hf bump and if you needed to run omnis last minute due to wind, you're set.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 08:10:17 PM »
Your Grace V3 is meant for the STO-2's...that would be a awesome goto rig for outdoors (I run a V2 with my STO-2's)...also real sweet on stage source when not outdoors.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2015, 12:38:51 PM »
There are a lot of great sounding omni microphones available so the field is pretty open for you. 

On the mini/micro front, I'd second Gutbucket's DPA 4061 recommendation, and add the Countryman B3 as well.  I've made recordings with both that surpass what I was expecting. 

The Earthworks TC series sound really nice, too, and matched pairs can be had.  The caveat with them is that they draw quite a bit of power (close to 10mA, IIRC). 

Good luck with your hunt! 

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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2015, 03:25:07 PM »
X2 Best omni out there for what we do. I'll also vouch for the B3s.

Your Grace V3 is meant for the STO-2's...that would be a awesome goto rig for outdoors (I run a V2 with my STO-2's)...also real sweet on stage source when not outdoors.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2015, 02:37:44 AM »
There are a lot of great sounding omni microphones available so the field is pretty open for you. 

On the mini/micro front, I'd second Gutbucket's DPA 4061 recommendation, and add the Countryman B3 as well.  I've made recordings with both that surpass what I was expecting. 

The Earthworks TC series sound really nice, too, and matched pairs can be had.  The caveat with them is that they draw quite a bit of power (close to 10mA, IIRC). 

Good luck with your hunt!

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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2015, 11:00:49 AM »
Having run MK5 in omni mode alongside MK4Vs, I continue to be of the belief that for stereo recording at a distance (such as at a music festival), omnis are an inferior option. Meaning, maybe the CCM5 makes the most sense -- you get the nice HF bump, and you can run omnis in a pinch or in whatever other situations (up very close) they might be preferable. I wouldn't delve into a completely different mic system just to have a CYA option.
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2015, 11:23:27 AM »
Speaking of being hosed by wind in the OP...There are advantages in the wind if you run a TRUE omni...not sure if the variable pattern MK5 would qualify...
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Re: Omnis for outdoor back ups
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2015, 11:37:15 AM »
^ The MK5/CCM5 is a single diaphragm microphone and operates as a "true pressure transducer" in the omni setting. The capsule setting differences are purely mechanical, unlike the dual diaphragm mics out there.

 

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