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R09 + DPA4061
« on: October 07, 2015, 12:04:22 PM »
question: will the combo Edirol R09 (old model) > mic in > DPA4061 work ???
or do I need an extra bbox ???
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 12:10:48 PM »
Get a battery box.

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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 01:46:37 PM »
Sorry to hijack the thread (but this is somewhat related): For the following DPA's, that are terminated to TA4F mini XLR's, how do you connect those to 48V Phantom Power via a standard XLR cable?  Is that even possible?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/952551-REG/dpa_microphones_4061_b10k_standard_sens_mini_omni.html

Would the Audio-Technica AT8538 work?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462543-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8538_AT8538_Phantom_Power_Supply.html
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 06:47:19 PM »
^ Pretty sure you'll need a PFA of some sort to run those with P48.  Those wireless things are usually battery box type voltage.

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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 12:57:19 PM »
Sorry to hijack the thread (but this is somewhat related): For the following DPA's, that are terminated to TA4F mini XLR's, how do you connect those to 48V Phantom Power via a standard XLR cable?  Is that even possible?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/952551-REG/dpa_microphones_4061_b10k_standard_sens_mini_omni.html

Would the Audio-Technica AT8538 work?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462543-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8538_AT8538_Phantom_Power_Supply.html

The AT module steps down the voltage from 11-52V > 9V (if i remember correctly) so that would be appropriate but it has a connector for TA3 so you would have to reterminate the mics and make sure the correct signal was on the correct wire/pins.
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2015, 01:03:32 PM »
Gotchya, thanks Roger.
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2015, 04:55:03 PM »
Yeah, most similar P48(XLR)>low-voltage-adapters designed for 2-wire powering, providing 5 to 9 volts to the microphone will work, given the correct connection or adapter.   Naiant, DPA, AT, Sure, Senn, Audix, Tram, Sony, Sanken, etc.. among others.
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 04:58:50 PM »
Pillowman,  It might work to plug your 4061 pair directly into the R-09 with PIP switched on, but they will not be optimally powered.  I did that a few times with a few different pairs of DPAs.  Some did not work at all, some did.  If they do work they will have a lower maximum SPL before overload and may distort.  Better to power them correctly even if they work.
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2015, 05:00:36 PM »
Your best option to run the TA4F terminated 4061s with P48 might be to purchase one or two PFA cables from Naiant that go from TA4M > XLR M, they would include the voltage step-down circuitry. 

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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 05:08:37 PM »
I use Naiant PFAs for DPA 4060/4061/4098 as well as AT853.  They work great.  Jon will put whatever mini-xlr you want on them.

That solution will not work for Pillowman into an R-09 however. He'll need either a battery box or low-voltage mic-power preamp.
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2015, 09:11:35 AM »
Pillowman,  It might work to plug your 4061 pair directly into the R-09 with PIP switched on, but they will not be optimally powered.  I did that a few times with a few different pairs of DPAs.  Some did not work at all, some did.  If they do work they will have a lower maximum SPL before overload and may distort.  Better to power them correctly even if they work.

thanks for jumping on my question ... will give it a try tonight but will run 2 rigs ;-) so everything will be fine !
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2015, 09:31:18 AM »
after some testing last night I can tell that this combo R09 > mic in > DPA4061 doesn't work.
everything is missing like level, dynamic, bass a.s.o.
good that I was running a second rig :-)
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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2015, 05:31:24 AM »
Maybe for some limited number of people who only run dpa lavs and commit to not running other mics there could be a recorder mod possible to change  the pip bias resistors. If this could be done it looks like no battery box would be needed.


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Re: R09 + DPA4061
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2015, 07:15:34 AM »
Maybe for some limited number of people who only run dpa lavs and commit to not running other mics there could be a recorder mod possible to change  the pip bias resistors. If this could be done it looks like no battery box would be needed.

Or just get a Marantz PMD-620 off of E-Bay. They have higher PIP than most other hand helds (I think they say it's 5 volts but I measured it at 4.6). I've recorded loud music with DPA 4060's > PMD-620 with no issues. If used to record extremely loud music like stack taping, a battery box could be required though. I didn't test the combo for that.
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