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Offline aleal5687

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Release a Show with Flaws?
« on: October 25, 2015, 12:55:07 PM »
I did a search for the topic and came up with nothing.

Recently recorded Garbage and had some issues with either a bad 1/8" or a dirty line in.
It is very distracting on the first 2 songs, one song in the middle and at the end.
not just static but volume drops drastically.

Should i still release the show as is with a footnote of flaws?
remove  songs?

also have a qotsa show i recorded (omnis) with a fanboy right behind me.
very distracting during the quieter passages not so much with the loud parts.

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2015, 01:09:07 PM »
I understand why you think it might not be worth releasing.

My thoughts:

There's always someone who likes your recordings no matter what flaws they might have. Especially when there is no other source available.

Personally, I'm very glad to have 2 different sources, both full with flaws, of the first show I ever visited.
I wasn't into taping when I visited my first show but luckily two other people shared their recordings, with flaws.   

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2015, 01:23:27 PM »
I'd say so long as you note the flaws, most people would prefer to have the whole show. You'd still upload it if you'd gotten there late and missed the first two songs entirely, right?

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2015, 01:09:46 AM »
I work on stuff all the time....while I can't eliminate the flaws, I'd be happy to try and minimize them for you if you want to wetransfer me a link.

static is pretty easy in audacity, to at least zoom in and pull down the static only, and sweeping volume boosts can somewhat fix low level passages.

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2015, 08:55:10 AM »
Had this issue with an American babies show I taped a month or two ago. And gas some strange distortion. Matrix sounds pretty good but they don't allow sbd online. Still haven't decided if I want to put out the bad aud on its own
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2015, 10:19:10 AM »
usually always a "completist" who collects EVERYTHING a band does. Also maybe the performers may want to hear what they sounded like. Release it for sure, add lots of caveats. There was a recent recording on Dime a Dozen of a very unusual one-off pairing, James Blood Ulmer playing with "the Thing". Mostly brickwalled, sounds like poo. There were still a LOT of people who wanted it (75 so far, and still an active torrent)

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2015, 02:46:16 PM »
If the flaws are the result of my screw-up, even if its equipment related not directly something I had control over, I'm not releasing it.

I'm only releasing things I can be proud of and can stand behind. Everybody makes mistakes - I just don't have to share my mistakes with the world. I don't think there really is any reason to put sub-par recordings out there. Especially if there are additional sources.
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2015, 04:37:42 PM »
I'd say so long as you note the flaws, most people would prefer to have the whole show. You'd still upload it if you'd gotten there late and missed the first two songs entirely, right?
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2015, 04:42:13 PM »
it's called "bootlegging"....not "24 track Mobile Fidelity recording".....

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2015, 10:30:29 PM »
If it has some "value" to it such as a rare performance or its the only source then I'd do it.  If its a piece of garbage (no pun intended) then why bother.  or instance when I had a preamp issue at a Rogewr Waers show and only had the internals in the DR-2D I recorded a few songs then decided to shitcan the recording.  I knew a better source existed and despite being in the prime seats I made the right call.  I listened to 2 songs and that was enough.  I did go back the next day with another preamp and got the prime seats again and made a worthwhile recording. 

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2015, 11:08:56 AM »
If you were the only person that recorded, then yes, otherwise I don't usually bother, but with notes you can post anything, they've been warned.....
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2015, 07:17:02 PM »
Thanks for all the replies. I'm trying my best to edit the flaws.
I'll upload it to dime in the next week or so.
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 06:55:10 AM »
it's called "bootlegging"....not "24 track Mobile Fidelity recording".....

get it out there.

It's NOT called bootlegging around here
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2015, 03:21:41 PM »
it's called "bootlegging"....not "24 track Mobile Fidelity recording".....

get it out there.

It's NOT called bootlegging around here


again, are you confusing "pirated" with "bootlegged"?

live shows *are* called 'bootlegs', and have been going back way past the early 60's. they contain no *official studio* content (read: licensed), and are recorded by the fans, for the fans. as long as it's not sold, it ain't no big deal.

any stealth recording sans artist permission, it's called the same thing.  (read: "distribution" falls under the same parameters as 'sale' and 'production')

get off of your low horse already:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_recording


A bootleg recording is an audio or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist or under other legal authority. The process of making and distributing such recordings is known as bootlegging. Recordings may be simply copied and traded among fans of the artist without financial exchange, but some bootleggers have sold recordings for profit, sometimes by adding professional-quality sound engineering and packaging to the raw material.

Bootlegs can consist of recordings of live performances or material created in private or professional recording sessions. Changing technologies have had a great impact on the recording, distribution, and varying profitability of the underground industry. The copyrights for the song and the right to authorize recordings often reside with the artist, according to several international copyright treaties. The recording, trading and sale of bootlegs continues to thrive, however, even as artists and record companies attempt to provide "authorized" alternatives to satisfy the demand. The internet has become a popular medium to distribute bootleg material.


The word "bootleg" originates from the practice of smuggling illicit items in the legs of tall boots, particularly the smuggling of alcohol during the American Prohibition era. The word, over time, has come to refer to any illegal or illicit product. This term has become an umbrella term for illicit, unofficial, or unlicensed recordings, including vinyl LPs, bootleg silver CDs, or any other commercially sold bootlegged media or material.[1] The alternate terms ROIO or RoIO, an acronym meaning "Recording of Indeterminate Origin", or "Recording of Independent Origin", and VOIO or VoIO, an acronym meaning "Video of Indeterminate Origin", or "Video of Independent Origin", arose among Pink Floyd collectors, to clarify the recording source and copyright status was hard to determine.[2]

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Bootlegs should not be confused with counterfeit or pirated recordings, which are merely unauthorised duplicates of officially released recordings, often attempting to resemble the official product as close as possible. Some record companies have considered that any record issued outside of their control, and for which they do not receive payment, to be a counterfeit, which includes bootlegs. However, some bootleggers are keen to stress that the markets for bootleg and counterfeit recordings are different, and a typical consumer for a bootleg will have bought most or all of that artist's official releases anyway.[4]



bottom line: if the simpleton definition from dictionary.com is what helps you sleep at night, then roll with that one.  I'm going to go with the ***actual*** definition of the term

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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2015, 05:11:58 PM »
This thread was headed the wrong direction from the get-go...

Tapers don't "release" shows...we share or trade them.

Artists release albums/shows/work.
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2015, 12:21:39 PM »
As a dowloader, I'd definitely pass on distorted recordings unless one or more songs in the set are rarely played live.
On the other hand, I'd still give a listen to a recording with missing tracks and/or occasional flaws (level drops, statics, cell-phone interferences, wooo-girls, local drunks, chatters).

I shared a tape once that was incomplete (got out of batteries after 50 minutes into the show) and got some occasional cell-phone interferences.
All of this was documented in the joined info file.
Got some nice feedbacks from people saying they were happy the recording got to be shared even so.
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Re: Release a Show with Flaws?
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2015, 12:30:58 PM »
not sure if there's one I've done without flaws.  ;D

 

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