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Offline rhinowing

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Where can I find an updated Roland-09 Recorder. the website says they discontinued this recorder. I see old ones on amazon, ebay,etc. I want an up to date model recorder.
get a sony pcm-m10
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Get a new Sony M10

Contact member Darktrain for a set of Audio Technica (AT853) mics

Get a preamp. Tinybox are no longer made so I suggest you take Church Audio CA9200 preamp from member Chris Church, http://www.church-audio.com. Chris stuff is excellent, though delivery can take some time.

Get concerttickets for shows you like in both big and small venues and start taping!

You will end up with a lot of questions after each gig, count on some trial and error. Tell your story here, search for answers here or ask here.

No need to spend to much money first. That takes away to much of the fun too  :laugh:

Good luck!
Currently in use:
Recorders: Edirol R44, Sony M10 & Sony D6
Microphones: Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 (cards) & Nakamichi CM300 (all CP-s)
Preamps: JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b, Naiant IPA & Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use
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You will end up with a lot of questions after each gig, count on some trial and error. Tell your story here, search for answers here or ask here.


This is probably the best advice of all. Nothing teaches like experience, as a trip through the "Every Mistake I Ever Made" thread should make abundantly clear.

And especially with mics, I don't think any amount of online research can tell you what you'll end up being happy with until you take them out in the world and see the results.

« Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 03:15:22 PM by nulldogmas »

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also, go to some shows you don't really care about at first. That way, when you mess up, which you likely will do a time or 2, you won't really mind

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This is probably the best advice of all. Nothing teaches like experience, as a trip through the "Every Mistake I Ever Made" thread should make abundantly clear.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=150209.0

If you read a bunch of this thread and don't do any of the stupid things on it then you will make a great recording. It mostly involves remembering settings, accessories, and batteries, plugging things into the right holes, and not pushing the wrong buttons.

I think with your budget what people here are recommending is some high end capsules with active cables, combined with a preamp/phantom power setup. This is all indeed the best you can do and you can just about pull it off for that budget. However, I have gotten some amazing recordings with electret condenser mics which don't require high voltage phantom power and the attendant expensive or difficult to obtain gear. Consider the AT853 or CA mics which can operate off of a battery box or small preamp. Search Archive to listen to how these different rigs sound.

Here's a sample of the AT853 hypers with the Church Audio 9100 preamp. I got the mics and box for like $250 or something, and they regularly perform as well as my more expensive mics. For some reason I don't get the same high end response from the cardioid capsules, by a long shot. So I don't use them anymore, at all, regardless of how close I am.
https://archive.org/details/gat2010-05-22.flac16
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Get a mentor! Find an experienced taper in your area
and go to a few shows together. This will save you a lot
of wasted time (trial & error). An AKG active setup can
be purchased for under 2k.
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Get a new Sony M10

Contact member Darktrain for a set of Audio Technica (AT853) mics

Get a preamp. Tinybox are no longer made so I suggest you take Church Audio CA9200 preamp from member Chris Church, http://www.church-audio.com. Chris stuff is excellent, though delivery can take some time.


All great advice, especially this.  You can make very fine recordings with this combination.  There really is no reason to spend $2k just yet.  First, you may find it's too much work/don't like it.  Second, the sound quality of this $400 rig won't be "1/5 as good" as a $2k rig.  It will sound very nice if you learn to use it correctly.  You need to learn your craft on a Fiat, not a Ferrari.  Then move up.
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Cannot go wrong with an M10. In fact, I like mine so well that I just picked up a 2nd. (thanks Backwhereubelong!)

They also happen to be on sale now at B&H. http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=175710.0

A not too expensive but excellent set of very small mics are the CAFS. Paired up with a church audio preamp (since Tinybox's are hard to come by now) this complete set up will cost you less than $600 and is capable of producing excellent recordings.

I saw a set in Yardsale recently. If I didn't already own the CAFS mics, these would be on their way to my mailbox. http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=175758.0

If you'd like to hear samples let me know and I'll post some.
Mics: CA-14(cards & omnis) and CA-11(cards & omnis) ; AT853's(cards, hypers, mini shotguns); Busman BSC-1 (cards, hypers, omnis)
Nakamichi CM300's (CP-1,2,3,4) Nakamichi CM700's (cards, omnis)
Tascam PE-120's (cards, omnis) Peluso CEMC-6 (cards and subcards)
DPA 4061's DPA 4022's
Preamps: CA-9100; Naiant Tinybox (12v/48v + PIP 8V); Naiant Littlebox;
DPA MPS6030; Sound Device Mix Pre-D
Decks: Sony PCM M10; Edirol R-4; Zoom H6; Marantz PMD-661; Sound Devices 722

 

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