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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2015, 09:54:49 AM »
It will surpass the 702 in sound quality IMO but the build quality is pretty stout on the SD products. I'm a fan of warm preamps & found my 702 was rather neutral. If you want neutral & clean then just get the 702 but if you want some flavor then go Oade.

Slightly off topic but while the 702 is stellar, it is showing it's age at this point. I personally wouldn't buy one new for the asking price since as a hobbyist I am comfortable with the durability & dependability of newer other prosumer gear. The new Zoom F8 sounds better to me with 8 channel's vs the 2 channel's from the 702 at a little more than half the cost.
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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2015, 10:01:20 AM »
I am only looking at used equipment at this point, unless I go Oade.

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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2015, 10:04:44 AM »
Gotcha but how much is a used 702? Still around 1k? There are some better choices IMO for that money.
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2015, 10:06:06 AM »
Yes, right at $1k

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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2015, 12:16:59 PM »
Does oade still do work?
I thought I read a couple yrs ago he wasn't doing stuff anymore

I too think you can get just as good quality for much cheaper then the sd 7xx in today's world
Build quality is prob still the best though
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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2015, 03:08:33 PM »
Here it is...I think I have made up my mind!

AKG C480b CK61 > Roland R-44 (w/ Oade concert mod)

I will add CK63 & CK69 down the road. Any objections?
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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2015, 05:00:20 PM »
i just mailed my 671 to oade a few months ago. he was backlogged a couple weeks. so he is still doing something

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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2015, 05:06:27 PM »
nola i think that is a fine setup. im a huge akg fan. highly reccomend the ck63 hypers. where i live most venues are horrible at best that i frequent, and i almost always run hypers.

i think the deal with oade a few years ago was that he was having serious back problems or something and took some time off. if i remember correctly


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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2015, 10:48:57 PM »
Still can't shake the 702. R-44 vs 702 what do y'all think?

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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2015, 12:31:47 AM »
Still can't shake the 702. R-44 vs 702 what do y'all think?

That's an apples to oranges comparison. The 702 is an elite, tank-like pro 2-channel deck. The R-44 is a "prosumer," very reliable, easy-to-use, 4-channel deck. The 702 is obviously going to spec out better; it costs 2X or more as much, and it's built for true pro use. However, that does not mean it's better for your purposes, especially if that purpose is recording loud rock.

As someone who had the choice, I ran USBPre2>R-44, which gives you the Sound Devices preamp sound with the ease, convenience and price of the R-44. I had the "Oade Mod" and since have been borrowing a non-modded R-44. Honestly I'm not sure there's that much difference.

But anyone who tells you an R-44 is "the same as" a 702 is kidding themselves. Sound Devices products are top of the line. The real question is what that top of the line gets you. My R-44 never failed through hundreds of shows, and that has been a consistent result for most people. But is an SD744 (the better comparison) "better"? Of course it is.
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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2015, 11:31:22 AM »
Alright guys I found my rig! Going with the AKG 480s with CK61 (getting a single CK69 too!) > SD 702 (Thought I had the 702 but counted my chicks before they hatched)

The guy I am buying the mics from is throwing in some high quality XLR cables.

Here is what I am looking at to complete the rig:

Manfrotto 1004BAC Master Stand
K&M 23510 Microphone Bar
Sony MDR7506 Professional Large Diaphragm Headphone
AKG SA 60 Stand Adapter (2)



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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2015, 11:56:37 AM »
I think Audio Technica ath-m50 headphones are a better value or use earbuds for noise isolation and for being much easier to transport.  Shure SE215s IEMs might still be on sale for $89 at various places. 

SD702 is a quality piece of gear. 

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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2015, 12:02:34 PM »
I think Audio Technica ath-m50 headphones are a better value or use earbuds for noise isolation and for being much easier to transport.  Shure SE215s IEMs might still be on sale for $89 at various places. 

SD702 is a quality piece of gear.

Didn't even think about using earbuds. I have two nice sets...money saved! Thanks!

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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2015, 03:19:38 PM »
I think Audio Technica ath-m50 headphones are a better value or use earbuds for noise isolation and for being much easier to transport.  Shure SE215s IEMs might still be on sale for $89 at various places. 

SD702 is a quality piece of gear.

Didn't even think about using earbuds. I have two nice sets...money saved! Thanks!

Yeah, for monitoring at shows, I don't know why people use full size headphones. Some decent IEMs will do the trick, for sure.
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Re: New taper starter gear questions
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2015, 04:33:59 PM »
I think Audio Technica ath-m50 headphones are a better value or use earbuds for noise isolation and for being much easier to transport.  Shure SE215s IEMs might still be on sale for $89 at various places. 

SD702 is a quality piece of gear.

Didn't even think about using earbuds. I have two nice sets...money saved! Thanks!

Yeah, for monitoring at shows, I don't know why people use full size headphones. Some decent IEMs will do the trick, for sure.

Not using IEM's is outright dangerous. Closed-back headphones typically provide only 10-15 dB of noise isolation while IEMs can provide 30-40dB with the right tips. In order to hear the monitor mix over the PA when using closed-back headphones, there's no choice but to crank the volume to dangerously high levels.

 

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