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btree vs archive.org
« on: March 15, 2016, 10:48:38 AM »
I am trying to figure out where I should post my recordings. What is the main difference? btree is for seeding only (data lives on seeders computer) and archive the music is uploaded and lives on the archive server?


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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 11:43:01 AM »
LMA is only if the band approves of the archive, and is more of a permenant solution.

bt.etree.org is a torrent site that doesnt guarantee easy availability.

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 01:01:42 PM »
Is LMA strict on naming conventions and supporting documentation? I see for some shows tracks are named with song title and others use the bbyyy-mm-ddsxtxx format.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 01:29:55 PM »
^ I don't think the LMA forces you to use the proper conventions, although for everyone else's sake it's good to do so.

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 02:15:10 PM »
LMA for approved bands for sure. LMA now creates torrent files as well, so bt.etree is unnecessary for LMA bands, IMO.  There may be some folks who check bt.etree that don't check LMA, I guess. I haven't torrented a show in almost 4 years. All my share-friendly non-LMA tapes are belong to me until I get internet service at home again.
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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 04:17:29 PM »
So if a band isn't listed on the page they should not be uploaded to LMA?

http://archive.org/browse.php?mediatype=collection&collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 05:03:36 PM »
So if a band isn't listed on the page they should not be uploaded to LMA?

http://archive.org/browse.php?mediatype=collection&collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator

Correct, though if you know anyone in the band you can also ask if they'd like to be added:

https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#122

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2016, 05:05:55 PM »
So if a band isn't listed on the page they should not be uploaded to LMA?

http://archive.org/browse.php?mediatype=collection&collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator

(If the band allowed you to record) Contact the band, if they aren't familair with archive link them the FAQs, recommend that they start their own collection. I've prompted bands to do so - and I am often surprised that folks are unfamiar with archive (or its benefits.)

edit: I see this was just stated already while I wasn't looking!
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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 08:21:55 PM »
^ yes to all that about the LMA

The only suggestion I can make about file naming is to not use spaces in the file names. The system strips out spaces and makes some characters uppercase which can mess up the song order in the player (uppercase comes before lowercase).

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2016, 03:46:10 PM »
^ yes to all that about the LMA

The only suggestion I can make about file naming is to not use spaces in the file names. The system strips out spaces and makes some characters uppercase which can mess up the song order in the player (uppercase comes before lowercase).

If you have any questions about the LMA, head over to this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=175536.0

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2016, 04:43:30 PM »
Be sure to read the band's stipulations on the LMA before posting there. Some like the North Mississippi Allstars do not allow soundboard or matrix recordings.

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2016, 05:34:14 PM »
If you don't want to go through the trouble to do it legitimately, just upload whatever you want to Community Audio. That's where tapers who don't care dump everything. It's not policed, so you can find tons of bands who have denied permission to be hosted on LMA. Led Zeppelin, Johnny Cash, etc. Plus plenty of jambands that would probably be on LMA if the tapers could be bothered to follow the rules.
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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2016, 06:17:38 PM »
If you don't want to go through the trouble to do it legitimately, just upload whatever you want to Community Audio.

Please, no. I believe Sloan is being sarcastic. This is NOT the proper use of Community Audio. Sloan is aware of this which is why I think he is making such a statement.
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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2016, 07:00:48 PM »
There may be some folks who check bt.etree that don't check LMA, I guess.

I post to both (for the rare bands I record that allow either) for this reason. Personally, I go to LMA kind of infrequently, usually when searching for a specific show or band, but I check bt.etree every few days to see what pops up...

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2016, 07:30:28 PM »
There may be some folks who check bt.etree that don't check LMA, I guess.

I post to both (for the rare bands I record that allow either) for this reason. Personally, I go to LMA kind of infrequently, usually when searching for a specific show or band, but I check bt.etree every few days to see what pops up...

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2016, 08:08:24 AM »
https://archive.org/details/wsp-406

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What's your point?  Are you being sarcastic or not?

If not, you're a long time taper so by now you should know what shouldn't be put in Community Audio, as Vanark already pointed out, regardless of what some people might choose to post there.
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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2016, 05:50:48 PM »
I think if Sloan_Simpson is kind enough to do the research that points out these bad uploads, then someone that administers a part of the Live Music Archive, and frequents this site, should be given the authority to take them down.

I wasn't volunteering anyone in particular.... ;D



I see some of them taken down already..!  GREAT  :coolguy:

Now it is time to go after user "Retro Br" and take almost all of those 69 this user has uploaded, too.....

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Re: btree vs archive.org
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2016, 08:28:46 PM »

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The main limitation of the LMA is that it is obviously only for the bands that appear there, but other than that, it is a superior distribution platform. I use it for everything that I can use it for. Otherwise I use streaming on Soundcloud, which works but is harder to set up.

I do the same thing...LMA when possible and everything on Soundcloud for streaming through the app on mobile devices.  You can also set the option to allow downloading in SoundCloud, but it is now automatic.  I have found it difficult to impossible to stream the shows on LMA over my iPhone.  There seems to be long time gaps between songs, if they automatically advance at all.   

Also, I typically ask the bands I openly tape (that I know are NOT on the LMA) if they want me to post it there, and if so I send them the LMA consent to post email address with the short version of instructions. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2016, 02:35:06 PM »
I mostly do archive.org if the band is on the list of accepted bands. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2016, 03:17:21 PM »
LMA 1st and post to bt with link to lma, so they can stream. I trust lma for archival purposes. and if not on lma, bt only. I haven't used it in a while, but Traders Den still gets some torrents as well. Never used Dime, and don't have any interest in starting to use Dime either, personal choice
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2016, 10:49:38 PM »

^
The main limitation of the LMA is that it is obviously only for the bands that appear there, but other than that, it is a superior distribution platform. I use it for everything that I can use it for. Otherwise I use streaming on Soundcloud, which works but is harder to set up.

I do the same thing...LMA when possible and everything on Soundcloud for streaming through the app on mobile devices.  You can also set the option to allow downloading in SoundCloud, but it is now automatic.  I have found it difficult to impossible to stream the shows on LMA over my iPhone.  There seems to be long time gaps between songs, if they automatically advance at all.   

Also, I typically ask the bands I openly tape (that I know are NOT on the LMA) if they want me to post it there, and if so I send them the LMA consent to post email address with the short version of instructions.

Thanks for the input guys. Finally got my SoundCloud account setup and uploaded a bunch of shows I couldn't to LMA.

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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2016, 04:45:48 PM »

^
The main limitation of the LMA is that it is obviously only for the bands that appear there, but other than that, it is a superior distribution platform. I use it for everything that I can use it for. Otherwise I use streaming on Soundcloud, which works but is harder to set up.

I do the same thing...LMA when possible and everything on Soundcloud for streaming through the app on mobile devices.  You can also set the option to allow downloading in SoundCloud, but it is now automatic.  I have found it difficult to impossible to stream the shows on LMA over my iPhone.  There seems to be long time gaps between songs, if they automatically advance at all.   

Also, I typically ask the bands I openly tape (that I know are NOT on the LMA) if they want me to post it there, and if so I send them the LMA consent to post email address with the short version of instructions.

Thanks for the input guys. Finally got my SoundCloud account setup and uploaded a bunch of shows I couldn't to LMA.

Great.  I'll look for you.  In my opinion, the SoundCloud streaming option is superior to other streaming options. Remember for $15 monthly you can host unlimited shows.  Also, you can set files to be downloadable or stream only for sensitive bands (Chris Robinson Brotherhood).
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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2016, 02:13:41 PM »
If a band is OK with recording and posting but has not authorized the LMA to give them a section, then is Community Audio appropriate for those recordings?

For instance, I actually have contact with all 4 of these bands that they'd like to be on the LMA, but this show was just a mess with the guests and sit-ins, and partial sets and band vs band busking duel... so Community Audio it is for Balanced Breakfast... https://archive.org/details/BalancedBreakfast2015-06-19


If you don't want to go through the trouble to do it legitimately, just upload whatever you want to Community Audio.

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2016, 06:51:17 PM »
If a band is OK with recording and posting but has not authorized the LMA to give them a section, then is Community Audio appropriate for those recordings?

No, that is not appropriate for Community Audio. It is not meant for a place to put bands that don't have a collection yet.


For instance, I actually have contact with all 4 of these bands that they'd like to be on the LMA, but this show was just a mess with the guests and sit-ins, and partial sets and band vs band busking duel... so Community Audio it is for Balanced Breakfast... https://archive.org/details/BalancedBreakfast2015-06-19


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