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Offline tomy01

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Taping in Today's Environment!
« on: April 25, 2016, 07:41:10 AM »
With today's environment it is getting harder to conceal recording equipment to "tape" your favorite concerts. I am from the old school - I have been taping for many years and my go to tape recorder is the Sony WM-D6C. This has been my workhorse and has never let me down.

With the recent Paris concert hall attacks many areas and stadiums have now installed metal detectors and or wand detectors. With its 1980's technology my good old Sony WM-D6C will more than likely never get through the new security measures due to the amount of metal parts!
Hell I took my girlfriend to a Joel Olsteen "Night of Hope" concert in Orlando last week and they were using metal detectors and wand detectors.   Has anyone been able to get “gear” though?

My question what is a good current make/model/type of recorder that I should purchase that could be looked at as something else or even have a minimum of metal parts. Also, what would be a good external mic to add.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2016, 10:52:26 AM »
Yes, just need to be more creative.  Better off going to newer technology for many reasons.  Look at the various sd card recorders.  Plenty of info on here.  Recordings still being made at the toughest venues.

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2016, 11:03:48 AM »
People here aren't likely going to share their secrets in public.

I can say it's more difficult to record secretly than in years past, but I can still do it. As daspyknows said...get creative. Have a plan in advance.

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2016, 11:48:37 AM »
find a recorded that doubles as a mp3 player.

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2016, 01:00:42 PM »
my go to tape recorder is the Sony WM-D6C.

I've taken mine through metal detectors though that was years ago.  That said the last time I used mine is 2010.  First I got a Roland R-05 then when that failed a Sony PCM-M10.  I don't think there's much metal in those and they can pretty much be passed off as a music player if something does set one off. 
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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2016, 02:17:50 PM »
music IS love

When you get confused, listen to the music play!

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2016, 04:15:02 PM »
I used the trusty WM-d6c for years also(Stealth and non=stealth shows) until finally switching to dat in 2000 and in 2010 the new era of taping(Portable hard drives,in my case an Edirol R-09 HR). I would highly suggest buying an Edirol or something similar for stealth jobs.They generally fit in the palm of your hand and make great recordings for the most part if your mics are good(I generally don't recommend using the internal mic on the device).They are fairly inexpensive also.

As far as taping in todays environment,to some degree it might depend on the venue or the type/genre of the act you want to tape/stealth.I live in a medium size city in upstate New York where they recently reopened a concert venue in our city after the original venue closed in 2008. I have seen/taped 2 shows there so far(The Outlaws/Kansas),to where there was no metal detectors/patdowns.Yet on their website,they have posted messages for certain shows that they will have patdowns on everyone(Mostly either the rave type shows or hardcore metal shows or even some country acts). And for the most part they explain the reason for the patdowns is because "A few individuals sneaking in alcohol or drugs,etc"). So your best bet is to scope out the venue entrances ahead of time without obviously making yourself look too suspicious. Most shows/bands I see now are taper friendly bands so I don't have to worry about this type scenario(With the exception of the 2 acts I previously mentioned.)

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 08:35:35 PM »
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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 09:29:48 PM »
second rule of fight club, take it to PM
Please contact me if you've ever taped the Smashing Pumpkins or a related group!

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2016, 06:17:31 PM »
Depends what you record. Other than the very largest venues and bands, most security don't care at all about recording, because virtually everyone has a video recorder in their pocket and they can't really stop it.
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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 01:56:06 AM »
A few weeks back I left my M10 in my jacket  and it set off the walkthru detector,  they pulled me aside to wand me and I just pulled it out and held it in my hand while they wanded me and it was no problem.

 I probably should have just put it in the basket with my phone and keys - they don't give a crap if its not a gun or knife.

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 11:20:10 AM »
I need a all -in-one Swiss army gun/knife/recording device :laugh:
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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 06:13:52 PM »
You can always just plug a set of earbuds into your M10 and it looks even more like a dedicated MP3 player.  As the onboard microphones are flush with the body, they don't stand out.   It actually doesn't even say "recorder" on it except on the back in relatively small letters that would hard to read in typically bad venue lighting.  I use mine for work as well (recording board and committee meetings) so it isn't unusual that I have it in my coat pocket.  Hiding in plain sight often works well. ;D
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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2016, 11:59:57 AM »
The M10 is not the challenge, with lithium batteries it isnt likely to set off the metal detector.  Its the mics and pre-amp that are metal.  For me if all I could get in was the dr-2d I would hang it up.  the return on investment (effort and cost) just isn't there.

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Re: Taping in Today's Environment!
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2016, 02:33:44 AM »
I consider myself lucky. I'm in the unique position where the "big" bands I openly tape are pretty good about informing the venue. And the 007 work I do is at venues that haven't a clue about taping.

As for the rest, I've established enough relationships where I have access to SBD patches and can pretty much place mics where I want to.

That being said, I could probably get my  >:D rig in to a Tool show or somesuch, but I just have no desire to see anything of the like.

 

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