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Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« on: July 23, 2016, 12:27:53 PM »
Greetings all....

With the upcoming Lock'N festival approaching, as well as (finally) making plans to hit the phish gigs at Dick's this year, I thought it would be fun to break out the ole taping rig.  To be honest, I haven't gotten out with it much lately, and recently pulled a nice tape of Claypool/Lennon, and sorta got the bug again (especially with the upcoming shows I'm seeing).

My battery situation is in desperate need of an upgrade, and I've sorta been out of the taping scene for so long, I feel like a camel with its head buried in the sand: as all kinds of new technology with batteries come flying by, I'm caught up in other things, and haven't stayed current in what is out there.

I am wanting to run a Schoeps vms 5u, mytek 192 (at around the 9v range), and a marantz pmd 661 without having to use any AA's if possible.  I am used to carrying several batteries packages anyway, but I'd love some advice on a battery or two or three that will take up as little room in the bag as possible, but will provide power for as long as possible.  From what I'm reading, it sounds like I might could put together a power rig that would only require changing the batteries for each component once or twice, and will be able to make it through the whole day of music.

I would appreciate any suggestions (especially those from personal use) about specific battery combos/model numbers that people have moved on to.....I've still got 3 old dvd li-on batteries i'm running the vms on, and am using 3 "monolith" generic 12volt batteries (unknown mAh), and have, gasp, been buying AA's for the marantz each time I use it.

I've tried doing some reading here on the site, but feel my head swimming, and would really just appreciate some straight out model numbers/suggestions (I've been told in the past...."oh just replace such and such with a Tekkon," but am never given the tekkon model number that people are referring to, then get home, and feel swamped with options and unsurities.

Feel free to just email me privately, or post here....as I said, I'd like to get a battery rig that I can count on getting it done with at Lock'n (figuring I'll have to maybe have 2 complete rigs, to swap out depending on charge time requirements....these monoliths I have for the mytek BARELY get full after an 8 hour re-charge.....there's gotta be a better way).

Lay it on me gurus, and thanks!
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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 12:54:12 PM »
I recently switched from a external Tekkeon MP3450 dual voltage battery to two separate external batteries.

I'm using a 6 Ah Li-ion 5V 2A USB battery to power the PMD661 and a 14.4V 5.1 Ah NP-1 style Li-ion battery to power my MixPre-D. I have 2 of each and as a backup run eneloop low self discharge "aa" rechargables internally which can allow for external battery swaps if needed.
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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 03:30:23 PM »
i also just switched out some of my tekkeons (3450 and several 3300's) for newer batteries. i went with the naztech pb15000.

just a few months ago they were 100$ but recently they have been in the 50$ range. i scored one of mine for 40 shipped

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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 04:42:05 PM »
^ That Naztech only has a 200 mA on the 5V USB output, that's 0.2 A.

The PMD661 power requirement is 5V at 1.4A
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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 04:59:54 PM »
i did not know that, ive never used the usb out

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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 07:42:41 PM »

A Dual voltage battery like this one could power two devices at once.

https://www.amazon.com/XTPower-MP-10000-External-10000mAh-included/dp/B00935L44E/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1469316701&sr=1-5&keywords=12+volt+battery+pack

Just an example, there's tons of options out there.

If your DVD batts can hold up enough to power your VMS then you could use one of these to power your 661 from the 5V USB and the Mytek from the 12V DC output. The 661 on digital in doesn't sip much gas so you should be able to go all day on two of these even with the somewhat low mAh rating.

I use a similar battery (cheap Chinese knockoff, same capacity) to run my Tascam DR60d and it goes for 8+ hours recording 4 channels backlight always on.
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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 12:10:45 PM »
Hey gang,

Thanks so much for the input.  I'm waiting to hear back fro one other buddy I feel like really knows this shit, but am thinking about ordering this combo.....think i'd be able to get enough juice to tape 12 hr's worht of festival, if I can still power the vms all day off of three or 4 of my old dvd batteries?  I'm just not good with mAh/hour conversations and all of the though/info needed to make really good, informed power decisions....

Here's what I think I'm going to go with:

https://www.amazon.com/XTPower-MP-10000-External-10000mAh-included/dp/B00935L44E/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1469316701&sr=1-5&keywords=12+volt+battery+pack
x 1
and:
https://www.amazon.com/XTPower-MP-10000-External-10000mAh-included/dp/B00935L44E/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1469316701&sr=1-5&keywords=12+volt+battery+pack
x1

and maybe for the fun of it pick up one of these as well, although i'm not certain about this third unit:
https://www.amazon.com/XTPower-MP-10000-External-10000mAh-included/dp/B00935L44E/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1469316701&sr=1-5&keywords=12+volt+battery+pack
x 1

Thanks for all of the input guys!

-bry
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preamps: aeta psp3, schoeps vms02ib, vms5u x 2, sonosax sx-m2, sx-m2d2;

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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2016, 01:32:26 PM »
The VMS doesn't use a lot of power if you are using the KCY input!!  a Naztech pb15000 would get you 12 hours easily!!  There are also some cheap Tekkeon MP3300 on ebay. 
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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2016, 05:03:25 PM »
^ That Naztech only has a 200 mA on the 5V USB output, that's 0.2 A.

The PMD661 power requirement is 5V at 1.4A

I have powered a 661 with the Naztech, and it worked, but weird that it did given this info.

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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 11:49:21 AM »
how does the 661 work with internal nimh rechargables?  I've been REALLY impressed with the power/capacity of maha NiMh aa batteries, a pair will run my m10 for well over 12 hours!


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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 06:16:00 PM »
^ That Naztech only has a 200 mA on the 5V USB output, that's 0.2 A.

The PMD661 power requirement is 5V at 1.4A

Wait, i just powered my pmd661 with the naztech USB, for 3 shows.....no issues at all.

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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 10:22:12 PM »
^ That Naztech only has a 200 mA on the 5V USB output, that's 0.2 A.

The PMD661 power requirement is 5V at 1.4A

Wait, i just powered my pmd661 with the naztech USB, for 3 shows.....no issues at all.

Check the label on the bottom of your PMD661, mine says 5V 1.4A.

Amazon's Naztech PB15000 is listing "USB Out: 5V, 200mA (MAX)".
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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2016, 12:11:30 PM »
Is there a risk of damage by underpowering?  I know that's been an issue with some decks, like the DR-680.

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Re: Time for a new battery rig, would appreciate some input
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2016, 01:16:53 PM »
Is there a risk of damage by underpowering?  I know that's been an issue with some decks, like the DR-680.

Well, I personally wouldn't risk it; remember Marantz Professional does not officially endorse the use of an external battery.
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