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Tips for avoiding wind noise
« on: August 19, 2016, 11:06:23 PM »
I'm thinking of getting either some Roland CS-10EMs or Shure WL183s for street recording.

I just wanted to see if anyone has any tips on eilimating wind noise while out and about.

Thanks.

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 01:08:01 AM »
The short answer is windscreens.

There really is not a long answer other than which ones will work best for you. Generally speaking, larger screens work better, but are harder to hide, which I assume is a factor in your choice of mics.
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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 02:02:04 AM »
Those Roland mics/earphones look interesting. I'd be curious how they sound. Could be handy to have for super stealthy shows with walk through detectors.

But on to the question...yes windscreens, but they are omni's so windscreens aren't as important.

I've run my omni's outside without screens in moderate wind and been fine for the most part...that being said, if I have the screens I will use them.
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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 08:49:43 AM »
Thanks. I like the convenience of the CS-10EMs. I've emailed Rycote to see if they have any suitable windshields.

Even in this Roland video, you can hear the wind from the passing train.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSb0Fzosa3M&feature=youtu.be

Train recording starts at 9:41

With the Shure WL183s, they'll be less prone to picking up wind noise, but I wonder where to wear them, if I get two. I suppose I could put them on the brim of a wide brim hat...

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 10:32:46 PM »
Here are a few tips.

Use good windscreens
Use good windjammers
Use omnidirectional microphones
Record indoors  :tomato:
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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 07:51:37 PM »
My CS-10EM came with on clip foam wind screens. They look a bit strange on your ears but work quite well.
The CS-10EM sound very good for the price.
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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 10:25:52 PM »
^ I'm intrigued by those mics/earbuds. Do you have any sample recordings you'd be willing to share?

BTW, the product page doesn't mention or show the wind screens: https://www.roland.com/us/products/cs-10em/

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2016, 07:53:34 AM »
at least I can show a snap I did right now of my CS-10EM with the windscreens ... it should be clear how they mount

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2016, 07:59:35 AM »
Useful pics, thanks.

When using the CS-10EMs, do you get any wire bounce sound while walking?

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2016, 08:10:52 AM »
When using the CS-10EMs, do you get any wire bounce sound while walking?

Yes - I wouldn't recommend it. But that can be minimized by putting the cables around your neck and not moving around your head a lot. It depends on how you walk of course. I also turn down the playback volume completely to not get any feedback into the mics.

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2016, 08:15:50 AM »
The parts number (in Germany) is: 5100027560 (around 16,50 € + shipping). I got this when asking Roland for replacements if lost.
It seems they're not including those with new CS-10EM anymore, otherwise you guys had them already. It is a very useful accessory and I use the CS-10EM most of the time with these windscreens.

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2016, 09:10:22 AM »
Thanks, and thanks for the parts number.

Have you ever compared the sound when they're in-ear to when they're, say, clipped to glasses or a hat?

Just curious to know if you can get a similar result and avoid wire bounce.

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2016, 09:31:15 AM »
Thanks, and thanks for the parts number.

Have you ever compared the sound when they're in-ear to when they're, say, clipped to glasses or a hat?

Just curious to know if you can get a similar result and avoid wire bounce.

no ... usually I stand quite still and record a few minutes ...

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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2016, 05:01:10 PM »
Windscreens. 

But if the wind is strong enough to beat your screens and be visible on the meters the backup is to actually completely cover the mics (windscreens on) with a thin shirt or some material wind can't blow through (plastic bag even).  It really has very little impact on sound (even with music).  You'd be surprised.  Far better than recording gusts of wind that blow out the content you're trying to record.  You can record in almost any amount of wind with that approach.   
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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2016, 05:19:34 PM »
People have been known to use condoms to keep wind and rain off of their mics.

I just recorded in Alta,WY and the morning and afternoon gusts were sheering.  I had screens and jammers over my CCM4 that kept them manageable.  For my M/S rig I took the silk-like bag that my battery tips came in and pulled it over the whole thing. 

Wool socks work good in a pinch too.  Just make sure that whatever you use doesn't flop around.
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Re: Tips for avoiding wind noise
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2016, 06:28:20 PM »
People have been known to use condoms to keep wind and rain off of their mics.

That used to be standard practice on Broadway to keep sweat off of the lav transmitter packs.  Not sure if it's still necessary with the newer units.
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