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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #330 on: March 14, 2019, 08:55:35 PM »

I'm not truly positive that the minimum gain is actually +28 dB from front end to ADC. A lot of speculation when this recorder was first released was based on it being totally unusable in concert recording applications based on that number.

In really loud situations I run MIC in on low and have to crank the gain knobs to 50 - 75% to get usable levels (for me between -12 and -6dB)  with my Schoeps MK41 that are 16 mV/Pa - so about the same as your Avantones.

If the machine actually adds +28dB at the minimum gain settings (LOW, knobs turned all the way down) it would be way too sensitive at concert volume but that's not my experience at all. Even if it does, which I doubt, my Grace V3 added ~25 dB of fixed gain to the analog outputs no matter what the settings and I often ran the gain knobs higher than zero even on loud sources.

I guess I've been lucky and not had any issues other than the same early power loss probs that were finally resolved.

Maybe I can figure out what the minimum gain on each setting truly is by sending a regulated test tone somehow.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #331 on: March 14, 2019, 09:43:46 PM »

Maybe I can figure out what the minimum gain on each setting truly is by sending a regulated test tone somehow.

This sounds simple in theory but somewhat difficult in practice.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #332 on: March 15, 2019, 01:16:27 AM »

Maybe I can figure out what the minimum gain on each setting truly is by sending a regulated test tone somehow.

This sounds simple in theory but somewhat difficult in practice.

Could be. It's more of a curiosity for me since I don't have any issue running the deck.

Early on when the Tascam DR60d was released we figured out the differences in sensitivity on the sets of inputs based on a test tone from a cable tester which helped people decide whether or not to try to run a SBD feed into the 3/4 channels and how to set the gain.

A lot of taping shows is a guessing game and it doesn't always pan out when you are trying new gear combinations - the Line Audio CM3 doesn't work with the PMD661, the Peluso mics have problems with the SD 7xx series...


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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #333 on: March 15, 2019, 01:44:15 AM »

Maybe I can figure out what the minimum gain on each setting truly is by sending a regulated test tone somehow.

This sounds simple in theory but somewhat difficult in practice.

Could be. It's more of a curiosity for me since I don't have any issue running the deck.

Early on when the Tascam DR60d was released we figured out the differences in sensitivity on the sets of inputs based on a test tone from a cable tester which helped people decide whether or not to try to run a SBD feed into the 3/4 channels and how to set the gain.

A lot of taping shows is a guessing game and it doesn't always pan out when you are trying new gear combinations - the Line Audio CM3 doesn't work with the PMD661, the Peluso mics have problems with the SD 7xx series...

I’m down  to try this, depending on what would be needed to do it. I’m planning to talk to Wforwumbo about some of the numbers sometime soon,  I’ll bring it up with him then.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #334 on: March 15, 2019, 01:52:24 AM »

He is pursuing a doctorate in acoustics or something similar so he is certainly more qualified than most of us to run the numbers. Or at least have an idea of how to proceed.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #335 on: March 16, 2019, 11:09:58 AM »

Used my 706 last night to record stage lip at the local brewery - real chomper stronghold. Rock solid running the MBHO subcards with PFA.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #336 on: March 16, 2019, 01:53:23 PM »

He is pursuing a doctorate in acoustics or something similar so he is certainly more qualified than most of us to run the numbers. Or at least have an idea of how to proceed.

As of this week he’s now Dr. W. Forwumbo.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #337 on: March 16, 2019, 08:06:01 PM »

He is pursuing a doctorate in acoustics or something similar so he is certainly more qualified than most of us to run the numbers. Or at least have an idea of how to proceed.

As of this week he’s now Dr. W. Forwumbo.

He didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called MISTER Wforwumbo.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #338 on: March 24, 2019, 02:58:16 AM »
Anyone know if there’s a way to fast forward quickly through a file? I can only get it to go around 3x speed.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #339 on: March 24, 2019, 08:16:08 PM »
Anyone know if there’s a way to fast forward quickly through a file? I can only get it to go around 3x speed.

Same here. Nothing in the manual that I can find either. I wish they had used the enter button/jog wheel to scan through a file like on other recorders.

It's only a pain for me when I'm traveling after a show and want to listen in the car.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #340 on: March 24, 2019, 08:41:20 PM »
Anyone know if there’s a way to fast forward quickly through a file? I can only get it to go around 3x speed.

Same here. Nothing in the manual that I can find either. I wish they had used the enter button/jog wheel to scan through a file like on other recorders.

It's only a pain for me when I'm traveling after a show and want to listen in the car.

Exactly the situation for which I'm wanting quicker transport. Guess I'll just continue to sit in my car and hold down FF for 10 minutes...or press record a bit later...
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #341 on: June 22, 2019, 09:40:10 AM »

So Thursday night I'm recording stage lip mics and a board feed for Johnny Vidacovitch Trio who's guest that night is Vaylor Trucks (the blond kid on the front of the Brothers and Sisters album) and had some trouble. During set break I went over to the deck and hit stop. Left everything powered on since I had plenty of battery and backup AAs in. I was on the patio when they unexpectedly started the second set and I jogged over to the bag to start it back up and the SAVING message was there and deck was locked. Pulling the USB didn't do anything and I couldn't take the rig apart and pull the AAs out to reset the thing since my bag was on the stage right in front of V Trucks, cables were taped down and it would have created too much of a scene. Additionally, it was his birthday and he was very excited about getting a copy of the show. It did save the first set just without writing file headers correctly.

This thing has let me down too many times even though it's been rock solid since the firmware update till now. I'm moving to something else.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #342 on: June 22, 2019, 11:08:07 AM »

So Thursday night I'm recording stage lip mics and a board feed for Johnny Vidacovitch Trio who's guest that night is Vaylor Trucks (the blond kid on the front of the Brothers and Sisters album) and had some trouble. During set break I went over to the deck and hit stop. Left everything powered on since I had plenty of battery and backup AAs in. I was on the patio when they unexpectedly started the second set and I jogged over to the bag to start it back up and the SAVING message was there and deck was locked. Pulling the USB didn't do anything and I couldn't take the rig apart and pull the AAs out to reset the thing since my bag was on the stage right in front of V Trucks, cables were taped down and it would have created too much of a scene. Additionally, it was his birthday and he was very excited about getting a copy of the show. It did save the first set just without writing file headers correctly.

This thing has let me down too many times even though it's been rock solid since the firmware update till now. I'm moving to something else.

I feel ya.  There's only a issue with the recording that someone wants.  The dozens before that with no issues just sit on the HD! Go figure.   Ed
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #343 on: June 24, 2019, 01:03:40 AM »

So Thursday night I'm recording stage lip mics and a board feed for Johnny Vidacovitch Trio who's guest that night is Vaylor Trucks (the blond kid on the front of the Brothers and Sisters album) and had some trouble. During set break I went over to the deck and hit stop. Left everything powered on since I had plenty of battery and backup AAs in. I was on the patio when they unexpectedly started the second set and I jogged over to the bag to start it back up and the SAVING message was there and deck was locked. Pulling the USB didn't do anything and I couldn't take the rig apart and pull the AAs out to reset the thing since my bag was on the stage right in front of V Trucks, cables were taped down and it would have created too much of a scene. Additionally, it was his birthday and he was very excited about getting a copy of the show. It did save the first set just without writing file headers correctly.

This thing has let me down too many times even though it's been rock solid since the firmware update till now. I'm moving to something else.

I'm with you, thing is just too unreliable. I've moved on (well technically back to my previous deck) as well.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #344 on: June 24, 2019, 06:19:45 PM »

So Thursday night I'm recording stage lip mics and a board feed for Johnny Vidacovitch Trio who's guest that night is Vaylor Trucks (the blond kid on the front of the Brothers and Sisters album) and had some trouble. During set break I went over to the deck and hit stop. Left everything powered on since I had plenty of battery and backup AAs in. I was on the patio when they unexpectedly started the second set and I jogged over to the bag to start it back up and the SAVING message was there and deck was locked. Pulling the USB didn't do anything and I couldn't take the rig apart and pull the AAs out to reset the thing since my bag was on the stage right in front of V Trucks, cables were taped down and it would have created too much of a scene. Additionally, it was his birthday and he was very excited about getting a copy of the show. It did save the first set just without writing file headers correctly.

This thing has let me down too many times even though it's been rock solid since the firmware update till now. I'm moving to something else.

OMG! That’s terrible. I feel so bad for you. I got rid of mine two weeks after I bought it. I would never have taken this POS in the field, even with a firmware update. Sorry.

If you’re looking for a budget priced four channel recorder, try the Tascam DR 70d. Never had an issue with mine. Budgets not a concern. SD Mixpre 6.
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