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replacement for AT853subcards
« on: November 24, 2016, 01:40:38 PM »
aloa togehther !
cause I am searching for a long time to get some AT853sc caps (used while they are discountinued)
without success I am asking myself what could be a replacement for this nice sounding caps.
So without coming to a clue it's time to throw this question into our board.
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So what could be a replacement to the AT853 subcards ?
They should be small and stealthy, brand doesn't matter, easy to power with just a 9V/12V bbox,
for loud and amplified rock shows close to the stage and/or speakers  ???
hm, ... any ideas ? Curious what the taper community have in mind  :D
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so thanks for reading
greetings
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btw. I am still open for AT853sc offers !!!

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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2016, 05:23:03 PM »
I wonder why AT doesnt offer these anymore?
Bh photo still has the Omni and Hypers for them.
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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2016, 01:54:31 AM »
I asked AT UK if a minimum order quantity could be put in a year ago, and got the brush off, saying that they'd feed the request back to Japan. Never heard back.
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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2016, 11:26:50 AM »
DPA 4060/4061 omnis for me.  Even smaller than the ATs, and a step up in sound quality with regards to clean clarity and frequency extension.

I've a specific application where a subcard pattern would be preferable to omni, yet I still need a very small lightweight mic, so the 853 subcard lingers in my mind as possibly the best solution, at less cost.  I've not found any available however, so I plan to go back to using hard-foam ball attachments with the DPAs mounted flush in them, which makes them sort of subcardioid-like in the frequency range from the high-mids and up.

But for your application-
They should be small and stealthy, brand doesn't matter, easy to power with just a 9V/12V bbox,
for loud and amplified rock shows close to the stage and/or speakers  ???
I think the miniature DPA omnis are a good fit without messing with DIY ball attachments.
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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 01:08:57 AM »
DPA 4060/4061 omnis for me.  Even smaller than the ATs, and a step up in sound quality with regards to clean clarity and frequency extension.

I've a specific application where a subcard pattern would be preferable to omni, yet I still need a very small lightweight mic, so the 853 subcard lingers in my mind as possibly the best solution, at less cost.  I've not found any available however, so I plan to go back to using hard-foam ball attachments with the DPAs mounted flush in them, which makes them sort of subcardioid-like in the frequency range from the high-mids and up.

But for your application-
They should be small and stealthy, brand doesn't matter, easy to power with just a 9V/12V bbox,
for loud and amplified rock shows close to the stage and/or speakers  ???
I think the miniature DPA omnis are a good fit without messing with DIY ball attachments.

^^^This, exactly.

I don't know that I've even run my AT853's since I picked up my pair of 4061's...
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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 03:56:14 AM »
DPA 4060/4061 omnis for me. [...] I think the miniature DPA omnis are a good fit without messing with DIY ball attachments.

If I knew you were only taping in small clubs or doing stack taping in 1000-1500 capacity venues, I'd suggest you a good pair of omnis too and a bit of bass roll-off in post.

But for huge arenas and/or if you want to stay with super cardioid caps, you could consider the SP-CMC-25.

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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2017, 05:37:12 AM »
The Line Audio CM3 should be high on the list.

Thay call it a "cardioid", but the polar-pattern clearly shows it to be a sub-cardioid.

Suberb little mic. and the price is stupidly low.

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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2017, 08:29:48 AM »
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This.  I've not used them, but have liked what I've heard from the Line Audios. The Line Audio mics are not large as SD's go, are standard-size XLR connected / P48 powered.  I'd have picked up a pair already except my application requires something miniature sized, light-weight and low-voltage powered.
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"The mix of the Double M/S signals with a large A/B configuration of omnis results in the spacious sound that is often desired. This option also provides decorrelated low-frequency signals." -Helmut Wittek

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Re: replacement for AT853subcards
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2017, 10:29:28 AM »
The Line Audio CM3 should be high on the list.

Thay call it a "cardioid", but the polar-pattern clearly shows it to be a sub-cardioid.

Suberb little mic. and the price is stupidly low.

thanks for the hint - about those little swedish bastards I need some more information ...
as I will always go stealthy what is the smallest possible way to power them right,
I have many recorders but noone offers 48V ... so what small box do I have to add to my stuff ?
also:
which are the smallest / best cables to connect the mics with the recorder (stealthwise) ?
thanks for your answers
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Sony NH 600 / Sharp MD-MT180(H) / Sony MZ-R35
SP-CMC-8 > AT-ADAPT > AT853 o, c, ATU853 c, hc / AT943 o
soundman OKM2Rock STUDIO
2x Sony ECM-166BC / Sony ECM-717
SP-SPSB-9 / SP-SPSB-10 / CA-9100

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