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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2016, 11:57:19 AM »
In my experience, "Front Of House" usually refers to the sound and light booth out in the middle of the audience, or the folks who work there.

Historically speaking "Front of House" means up at the front of the building near the doors. That would be "behind the audience". FOH goes back to small clubs where the sound guys set up at the front so they could make sure everyone in the audience could hear the stage., if they could hear it back there they know the audience could hear it okay.

So why does the band these days set their sound guy up beside or on the stage? Because they do not know what they are doing.

Real music venues with their own sound system usually do have it set up in the front of the room, usually on the side opposite from the bar.

This isn't correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_of_House

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2016, 12:02:58 PM »
In my experience, "Front Of House" usually refers to the sound and light booth out in the middle of the audience, or the folks who work there.

Historically speaking "Front of House" means up at the front of the building near the doors. That would be "behind the audience". FOH goes back to small clubs where the sound guys set up at the front so they could make sure everyone in the audience could hear the stage., if they could hear it back there they know the audience could hear it okay.

So why does the band these days set their sound guy up beside or on the stage? Because they do not know what they are doing.

Real music venues with their own sound system usually do have it set up in the front of the room, usually on the side opposite from the bar.

This isn't correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_of_House
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2016, 09:09:37 PM »
taping from the front row works FINE!!!!

listen to the subtle nuance of McCready's guitar that a rig even 10 rows back would have missed:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=129384


a Crowes '10 recording, also taped from the front row, will be upped soon there as well. Rich (Robinson) was a monster.


don't listen to the negative Norman's (they have little to no experience recrording from the front row as is)

just DO it, keep your gain low (if possible), and rock out with your c*** out!!!!
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2016, 12:06:30 PM »
I never taped from front row, but close to. From my own experience, clubs often mix in mono. That means you'll get a poor balance if taping from front row or close to a stack. Arenas often mix in stereo.

In most situations, I wouldn't tape from front row. Sound tend to get better if you can move a few rows back until you reach a point where you lose clarity and definition. Depending on what kind of act you're taping, you might get barely audible vocals when taping front row.

But pulling a good sounding tape relies on soooo many factors : your taping spot, your mics, venue PA and speakers setup, sound guy, high vs low ceiling, concrete vs brick walls, ...

You were talking about Rammstein I think ?
Well, that must be an arena gig. I'd suggest you to get a seat in the tier (if available), near to a speaker and to point a pair of cardioid mics right at it.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2016, 12:23:48 PM »
The guy wants to go to a show with his girl.  This is a no brainer. Go to the show and tape from the front row. Have a great time with your girl that will have a great time. And you can pull a great recording, too. Could you pull a great recording somewhere else? Probably. But, recording from the front row can be great, too. Enjoy the show and have a great time.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2016, 01:39:21 PM »
taping from the front row works FINE!!!!

listen to the subtle nuance of McCready's guitar that a rig even 10 rows back would have missed:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=129384

I listened to both Jeremy and Black and the mix is unbalanced. Vocals can sound slightly nebulous at some points while electric guitar is upfront.
Also, the recording sounds distant, echoey and suffers from heavily distorted low end.

Still, you're right : taping from the front row can work FINE. Not this time thought.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2016, 03:23:13 PM »
The question is...

Are you going to a show and taking your girlfriend?  Or are you taking your girlfriend to a show?
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2016, 01:11:07 AM »
The question is...

Are you going to a show and taking your girlfriend?  Or are you taking your girlfriend to a show?

Shows, girlfriends and taping rarely mix.  If all three do you know you've got a keeper...   :o  even two of three is exceedingly rare. 
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2016, 04:20:46 AM »
taping from the front row works FINE!!!!

listen to the subtle nuance of McCready's guitar that a rig even 10 rows back would have missed:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=129384


a Crowes '10 recording, also taped from the front row, will be upped soon there as well. Rich (Robinson) was a monster.


don't listen to the negative Norman's (they have little to no experience recrording from the front row as is)

just DO it, keep your gain low (if possible), and rock out with your c*** out!!!!

Too many variables to take in to account, furburger. I don't think 1st row is always optimal, but it can be at times.

We've had a few disagreements on this board in the past, but I do agree a decent tape *can* be made from the front row...

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2016, 05:52:01 AM »
The guy wants to go to a show with his girl.  This is a no brainer. Go to the show and tape from the front row. Have a great time with your girl that will have a great time. And you can pull a great recording, too. Could you pull a great recording somewhere else? Probably. But, recording from the front row can be great, too. Enjoy the show and have a great time.

BINGO! I'd do THIS, if I even taped at all! Taking a GF to a show is one thing, but taping is another beast completely! Especially if this ISN'T her scene and music, or if she's EVER even seen a taper before lol ;) If she's actually COOL with it, then tape from front row and enjoy the show. Period.

IMO if a band has vocals, then taping TOO CLOSE is just a waste of time IMO! The vocals are almost always distant and shitty sounding, while other instruments like guitar/drums are VERY loud in the mix. That said, taping that close can also be AWESOME and AMAZING sounding! Just depends on band/venue/mics/etc........When bands DON'T have vocals though, I actually really like recording on-stage/stage-lip/very close! Like Furburger said, you can pick up nuances of sounds/frequencies that you wouldn't catch being farther back!
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2016, 09:22:58 AM »

So why does the band these days set their sound guy up beside or on the stage? Because they do not know what they are doing.

Just wanted to reiterate that this comment isn't right. Usually when you see a band with their own sound guy at a board by the stage, he's there to give the band their own stage monitor volumes and mix.  The FOH guy, who in my experience more often works for the venue, knows the room and the venues boar, and he/she is mixing for the room and/or the sound that is coming from the PAs.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2016, 01:07:33 PM »
Just wanted to reiterate that this comment isn't right. Usually when you see a band with their own sound guy at a board by the stage, he's there to give the band their own stage monitor volumes and mix.  The FOH guy, who in my experience more often works for the venue, knows the room and the venues boar, and he/she is mixing for the room and/or the sound that is coming from the PAs.

I'll buy that, in general.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2016, 01:25:20 PM »
The question is...

Are you going to a show and taking your girlfriend?  Or are you taking your girlfriend to a show?

Shows, girlfriends and taping rarely mix.  If all three do you know you've got a keeper...   :o  even two of three is exceedingly rare.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2016, 11:39:18 AM »
2nd row dead center:
https://archive.org/details/2003-12-05.paf.schoepsmk4v.taraski-bigham.22026.sbeok.flac24

front row lower balcony dead center:
https://archive.org/details/2003-12-05.paf.bk4021.ericv.21013.sbeok.flacf

The 2nd row recording is mine.  It was too close and I knew it, but I didn't want to give up the great seat.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2016, 01:44:52 AM »
Cool.   Curious.  The Beacon is a really tough sounding room in the wrong places (and there are lots of those there IME).  I'd want to be close if I was doing audio there. 
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