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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2016, 08:58:56 PM »
most small 1000-4000 seated venues now have front fill speakers for the people who spent big bucks to sit in the front center. it used to be those seats only heard the stage sound which had low vocals. sometime you can see the front fills at the stage lip, sometimes they are hidden, sometimes on the side. the only problem is that i don't know how much effort is put into making them song good. i am not sure who is responsible for their mix. during the show, the foh mixer can't hear them and neither can the monitor mixer. i have been to some venues where they only put vocals thru them. but that being said, i have made some excellent recordings up front. there is a venue in dc, lisner auditorium. i was there last year on the side front row. i noticed nobody was sitting front row center, so i moved there. they had the front fills hidden under to stage facing the front row. the sound was incredible. you could not see the speakers, but you knew something was up. as far as getting caught, you can't look at your recorder. you have to set and forget. security will never see the mics. your girlfriend will never see the mics.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2016, 09:07:55 PM »
most small 1000-4000 seated venues now have front fill speakers for the people who spent big bucks to sit in the front center. it used to be those seats only heard the stage sound which had low vocals. sometime you can see the front fills at the stage lip, sometimes they are hidden, sometimes on the side. the only problem is that i don't know how much effort is put into making them song good. i am not sure who is responsible for their mix. during the show, the foh mixer can't hear them and neither can the monitor mixer. i have been to some venues where they only put vocals thru them. but that being said, i have made some excellent recordings up front. there is a venue in dc, lisner auditorium. i was there last year on the side front row. i noticed nobody was sitting front row center, so i moved there. they had the front fills hidden under to stage facing the front row. the sound was incredible. you could not see the speakers, but you knew something was up. as far as getting caught, you can't look at your recorder. you have to set and forget. security will never see the mics. your girlfriend will never see the mics.

FYI the Front Fill speakers are mixed by the Front of House engineer off a separate aux output. Vocals, keys, the same instruments you tend to find predominant in a bar soundboard. Usually the mix is set during soundcheck and then checked during the first song or two. With tablet mixing it easy to roam the venue and mix your front fills, bar fills, etc in the target locations.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2017, 04:07:51 AM »
The question is...

Are you going to a show and taking your girlfriend?  Or are you taking your girlfriend to a show?

Shows, girlfriends and taping rarely mix.  If all three do, you know you've got a keeper...   :o  even two of three is exceedingly rare.

QFT!!

If I was the OP - I'd buy a third ticket and tell the girlfriend to invite one her girlfriends so they can enjoy themselves (read: talk all throughout the show) while you the taper are doing your thing in a spot some distance away from them.  It's a win-win this way.

And yes - I know this is a very sexist perspective.  But it's also true for 90% of the women out there.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2017, 02:54:21 PM »
The question is...

Are you going to a show and taking your girlfriend?  Or are you taking your girlfriend to a show?

Shows, girlfriends and taping rarely mix.  If all three do, you know you've got a keeper...   :o  even two of three is exceedingly rare.

QFT!!

If I was the OP - I'd buy a third ticket and tell the girlfriend to invite one her girlfriends so they can enjoy themselves (read: talk all throughout the show) while you the taper are doing your thing in a spot some distance away from them.  It's a win-win this way.

And yes - I know this is a very sexist perspective.  But it's also true for 90% of the women out there.

Best idea yet.  My ex was actually really good about it.  Just had one flaw, she didn't want to be there until the music started. For many shows she would spend the first 90 minutes hanging in the bar drinking.  This made for many shows with a huge bar tab and a completely trashed girlfriend by the end of the show. We both ended up enjoying ourselves.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2017, 11:14:19 PM »

If I was the OP - I'd buy a third ticket and tell the girlfriend to invite one her girlfriends so they can enjoy themselves (read: talk all throughout the show) while you the taper are doing your thing in a spot some distance away from them.  It's a win-win this way.

And yes - I know this is a very sexist perspective.  But it's also true for 90% of the women out there.

I'd want to see your data on that. My SO (female) is very good about staying quiet during recording, and letting me do whatever I need to set up. The only people I've ever had to shush repeatedly have all been dudes.

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2017, 12:34:16 AM »
If I was the OP - I'd buy a third ticket and tell the girlfriend to invite one her girlfriends so they can enjoy themselves (read: talk all throughout the show) while you the taper are doing your thing in a spot some distance away from them.  It's a win-win this way.

And yes - I know this is a very sexist perspective.  But it's also true for 90% of the women out there.

I'd want to see your data on that. My SO (female) is very good about staying quiet during recording, and letting me do whatever I need to set up. The only people I've ever had to shush repeatedly have all been dudes.

Let me caveat this by saying I only ever work in >:D mode.  And that might lend itself to my experiences being different than yours.

The point that I was trying to make is that, as a general statement, when women are together at a show - they love to talk.  I hate to make assumptions, but I'm guessing you're not a woman, so the dynamic between you and your significant other (female) doesn't really speak to that point.  And as far as her being quiet during the show and letting you do your thing - I say you're a very lucky man.

I don't know what to say about you only ever having to shush men and never having to shush women at shows.  I don't normally ever shush anyone, because as I noted, I'm normally in >:D mode (although unless they are really being obnoxious, I probably wouldn't anyway).  Hopefully others can chime in with their experiences and provide you some "data."

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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2017, 01:02:44 AM »
Past few shows I've taken my girlfriend to (that weren't open taping situations) I didn't even bother letting her know I was recording. Worked out best for everyone that way  ;D  She's a real trooper to endure as many shows as I drag her to with ridiculous amounts of equipment (which she helps carry)…
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2017, 02:34:52 AM »
Past few shows I've taken my girlfriend to (that weren't open taping situations) I didn't even bother letting her know I was recording.

My wife knows about my addiction ... and also knows there's no way in a million years that I would ever pass up a chance to tape.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2017, 05:28:15 AM »
Sounds like your anecdotal sexist perspective is anecdotal.
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Re: Recording from front row...or close to?!
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2017, 02:23:08 AM »
Set your priorities. Romance > recording.

 

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