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Re: 4-channel mic config suggestions?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2017, 04:35:18 PM »
^ That would cover things quite well and provide lots of options to play around with.   If you decide to exchange the Rodes yet have a chance to record a few things before you must return them, I'd jump on the opportunity.  Besides simply giving you an idea of what that mic is capable of, it will provide something of a base-line against which you can compare the ck63 as used in the same mic config and maybe even the same room.

Again just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that shotguns cannot work well, but they are always going to be something of a special application microphone.  Omnis, cards and hypers are much more general purpose patterns which can be used in many more ways, both as straight pairs or in various combinations, and also generally sound better.  I think going that route represents both a better return on your microphone investment and a stronger potential for making better quality recordings in most situations.
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Re: 4-channel mic config suggestions?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2017, 05:57:38 PM »

Again just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that shotguns cannot work well, but they are always going to be something of a special application microphone.  Omnis, cards and hypers are much more general purpose patterns which can be used in many more ways, both as straight pairs or in various combinations, and also generally sound better.  I think going that route represents both a better return on your microphone investment and a stronger potential for making better quality recordings in most situations.

Yep.  I've wanted the DPA 4061 for awhile.  The ck63's will do what the shotguns would and more.  Plus, I want to downsize to 2 active setups.  I guess it's a no brained really.  And I have recorded a few shows with the Rodes.  They help with vocals, but likely not any more than the ck63's would.  Gracias
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Re: 4-channel mic config suggestions?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 02:55:11 PM »
I'm all for trying new things to find what you prefer the best! That said, I listened to bunches of your festie stuff from 2016 and I personally loved the SPC4/AKG mix. The SPC4 omnis gave a really nice lowend/bass response, but with that classic AKG highend sizzle! But I do agree with basically what everyone else said. Shotguns never really had a great "live" feel to me either, since they were usually sooo lacking in the lowend and too much high end fatigue IMO, unless they're mixed with some cards/omnis!

I think you'd have way more options getting rid of the shotguns and getting some hypers/ck63's! Those were total workhorses when I had my old 480 bodies! Basically, once I bought some ck63 hypers, my ck61's and ck62's BARELY saw any live music lol ;D Then like you just said, you'd have a pair of 4061 DPA Omnis, a pair of ck61 cards and ck63 hypers! IMO, that will cover you for ANY situation! I've run omnis/subcards/cards/hypers/supercards, and now I ONLY own mk4 cards and mk41 supercards for a reason! Because they BOTH pull VERY consistent results. Period. Yeah I'd like an mk8[fig8] or two, but it's definitely not NEEDED! Omnis/Cards/Hypers, check! They'll get the job done. ALWAYS ;)
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Re: 4-channel mic config suggestions?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2017, 09:37:23 AM »
I'm all for trying new things to find what you prefer the best! That said, I listened to bunches of your festie stuff from 2016 and I personally loved the SPC4/AKG mix. The SPC4 omnis gave a really nice lowend/bass response, but with that classic AKG highend sizzle! But I do agree with basically what everyone else said. Shotguns never really had a great "live" feel to me either, since they were usually sooo lacking in the lowend and too much high end fatigue IMO, unless they're mixed with some cards/omnis!

I think you'd have way more options getting rid of the shotguns and getting some hypers/ck63's! Those were total workhorses when I had my old 480 bodies! Basically, once I bought some ck63 hypers, my ck61's and ck62's BARELY saw any live music lol ;D Then like you just said, you'd have a pair of 4061 DPA Omnis, a pair of ck61 cards and ck63 hypers! IMO, that will cover you for ANY situation! I've run omnis/subcards/cards/hypers/supercards, and now I ONLY own mk4 cards and mk41 supercards for a reason! Because they BOTH pull VERY consistent results. Period. Yeah I'd like an mk8[fig8] or two, but it's definitely not NEEDED! Omnis/Cards/Hypers, check! They'll get the job done. ALWAYS ;)

Thanks Bean.  This past festival season was a roller coaster ride with trying to figure it out, malfunctioning caps, rain, etc.  I don't know if I ran the same configuration twice.  But, I know how I want it done in the future. 

The SPC4's are near and dear to me as they were my first set of real mics (3rd hand), and have been in the trenches without any sort of issue for 2 years.  They have definitely been my most consistent recording tool thus far.  They came to me with the omni and card caps.  I was surprised at how well they sounded with the omni's, but want something smaller and cleaner for splitting out wide.  For some reason I am stuck on the DPA 4061's for that purpose.  I just want to get my 3 basic patterns covered so I can stop obsessing online.  I think the DPA's and AKG's will get me through the next few years without "Jonesing" for another upgrade. 

On a side note, thanks for all your contributions on this site and the LMA.  You provide a lot of great input, perspective, and music!  Cheers
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