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Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« on: September 28, 2017, 10:37:57 AM »
Sonosax (via their 40th anniversary email) mentioned:

"A new 2 channels mic preamplifier / converter SX-M2D2 - under development - with AES I/O and USB interface"

Hope this actually is released, small and is affordable (less than $1K)
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 12:05:49 PM »
Sonosax (via their 40th anniversary email) mentioned:

"A new 2 channels mic preamplifier / converter SX-M2D2 - under development - with AES I/O and USB interface"

Hope this actually is released, small and is affordable (less than $1K)

With the price of all their other gear I would rule out the "affordable" part.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 05:34:33 PM »
Their ad8+ sells for about $4500-5000 - so that's about $600 per channel - so the unit will probably sell in the $1250 range but you never know
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 05:41:31 PM »
It would be interesting to know if it's actually a SX-M2 w/AD..  or based off of the SX-M2 w/AD.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2017, 09:47:04 AM »
I'd be surprised if it is based off the SX-M2 - I would think it would use their newest designs that are are used in the R4+ and AD8+  and I would also hope it is smaller then the original M2 as they crammed 8 channels of preamp/AD into a package smaller then 2x as big as the original M2 with the AD8+.  The AD8+ doesn't have internal batteries, nor analog outs - so we will see.  They may add a headphone to this unit.   


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 07:40:44 PM »
my issue is the lack of a inexpensive and simple bit bucket on the market. Why is this so hard?

My mixpre6 has no digi ins, so in theory I'd be interested in a fancy pre for the line in on 5 and 6. I'm not interested in paying for a AD stage I'd never use.

The http://puebloaudio.com/isleta---battery-preamp.html looked promising, but seems to be vaporware.

If sonosax could do a small analog only pre, I'd buy it.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 08:18:42 PM »
^SX-M2...  there are two of em in the YS.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 10:01:09 PM »
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/30485-sonosax-sx-m32/&tab=comments#comment-339336

pics in above link


Same pre-amps as R4+, size of iphone 6


This is a prototype though...
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2017, 10:11:13 AM »
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 02:18:50 PM »
Frankly it looks perfect for 5/6 on the mixpre6. I’m not sure I want to Pay for an ad stage I won’t use though.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 09:48:48 AM »

Any update on the launching date of the Sonosax SX-M2D2?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 10:15:03 AM »

I wonder if the Sound Devices release of their new MixPre series killed this Sonosax pre?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2018, 10:40:20 AM »
It can take Sonosax years to release new products - the original SX-R4 was in development for 3-4 years
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 09:25:09 AM »
SX-M2D2 Product Announcement

The SX-M2D2 is a lightweight 2 channels high resolution dual-domain microphones preamplifier with integrated USB audio Class 2. Compact, low power, battery powered, the SX-M2D2 embeds similar high performance dual A/D converters than the SX-R4+. This product is the ideal companion for various mobile environments. Its ergonomic has been carefully designed for convenience and easy of operation.


https://www.sonosax.ch/category/news/sononews/

Inputs / Outputs
2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel
1x AES3/AES42 on TA3, transformer balanced input with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel
1x line output on TA3, 2 channels analog unbalanced
1x AES3 output on TA3, 2 channels transformer balanced with ASRC (48/96/192k)
1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector
independent line/headphones stereo output on mini-jack

Performance
135 dB (A-weighted) overall dynamic range
THD < 0.001%
90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz
24-bit 48/96/192kHz

Powering
external DC 9-18V on Hirose 4-pin
external DC 5V on micro USB
removable lithium-ion battery, charged with external DC input
intelligent energy management

User interface
128×64 monochrome OLED display
two rotary encoder for gain control
intuitive menu navigation

Mechanical
Machined aluminum housing
overall dimension: 74 x 28 x 130 mm (2.9’’ x 1.1’’ x 5.1’’)
weight 300g (0.44lbs) with battery
mounting holes on both sides
optional mounting bracket for still camera

Note: preliminary specifications, subject to change without notice
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
I wonder what the price will be
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 10:59:56 AM »
I wonder what the price will be

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I sent an e-mail to Sonosax inquiring about pricing and the availability date for the pre.  I'll post their response if I receive one.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 11:23:59 AM »
If only the sonosax usb outputs could work with the mixpre6 usb in....
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 12:43:53 PM »

Sonosax was quick to respond to my inquiry concerning pricing and a product release date but unfortunately there isn't much information to share on either of those items yet.  Here is the Sonosax response.


"Hi,

Really happy to receive such an email! We are working hard on that product, but I cannot give you for now any delivery date nor pricing.
Will create the product page on our website and update status there.

Thanks,

Vincent Maillard"




Le 04.09.2018 à 16:29, dlaw1999@comcast.net a écrit :
Good morning,
 
I am very interested in purchasing the new SX-M2D2.  Can you tell me when you expect this product to be released?  Do you have an estimated retail price for the SX-M2D2?
 
Thank you,
 
David Lawrence

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 07:06:57 PM »
Danm...That thing looks sexy...

If that's a Hiros 4pin power input...guessing 3Pin Mini XLR's for input and output?



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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 08:22:47 AM »

This from the Sonosax Facebook site.


Does SONOSAX have an anticipated release date for the new SX-M2D2?

SONOSAX:  We expect production for end of year, perhaps beginning of 2019.

https://www.facebook.com/sonosax/posts/1849895708435775?comment_id=1849911008434245&reply_comment_id=1850829625009050

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
Danm...That thing looks sexy...

If that's a Hiros 4pin power input...guessing 3Pin Mini XLR's for input and output?

Yes on all fronts. It also accepts USB-C 5v power, which is a plus.

Personally, I'm not a fan of miniXLR (TA3) connectors for the long haul, but they help keep the form factor very small.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2018, 03:49:02 PM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2018, 01:41:55 AM »
OH GOD NO!


NOT PHASE REVERSAL!??!


(polarity reversal would be correct, there is probably no delay component!)


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  • [/size]90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz[/size][/font]
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2018, 08:28:33 PM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?


Yes - I think that is one of the main drivers in the design
I hope you can charge/power your phone through it




It has a removable internal battery as well
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2018, 11:22:37 AM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?

The latest "sell sheet" for the Sonosax SX-M2D2 shows USB direct output to a smart phone recorder.   :headphones:


Mic preamplifier for Mobile USB Audio

https://www.sonosax.ch/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SX-M2D2-Sell-Sheet.pdf
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