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Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« on: September 28, 2017, 10:37:57 AM »
Sonosax (via their 40th anniversary email) mentioned:

"A new 2 channels mic preamplifier / converter SX-M2D2 - under development - with AES I/O and USB interface"

Hope this actually is released, small and is affordable (less than $1K)
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 12:05:49 PM »
Sonosax (via their 40th anniversary email) mentioned:

"A new 2 channels mic preamplifier / converter SX-M2D2 - under development - with AES I/O and USB interface"

Hope this actually is released, small and is affordable (less than $1K)

With the price of all their other gear I would rule out the "affordable" part.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 05:34:33 PM »
Their ad8+ sells for about $4500-5000 - so that's about $600 per channel - so the unit will probably sell in the $1250 range but you never know
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 05:41:31 PM »
It would be interesting to know if it's actually a SX-M2 w/AD..  or based off of the SX-M2 w/AD.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2017, 09:47:04 AM »
I'd be surprised if it is based off the SX-M2 - I would think it would use their newest designs that are are used in the R4+ and AD8+  and I would also hope it is smaller then the original M2 as they crammed 8 channels of preamp/AD into a package smaller then 2x as big as the original M2 with the AD8+.  The AD8+ doesn't have internal batteries, nor analog outs - so we will see.  They may add a headphone to this unit.   


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 07:40:44 PM »
my issue is the lack of a inexpensive and simple bit bucket on the market. Why is this so hard?

My mixpre6 has no digi ins, so in theory I'd be interested in a fancy pre for the line in on 5 and 6. I'm not interested in paying for a AD stage I'd never use.

The http://puebloaudio.com/isleta---battery-preamp.html looked promising, but seems to be vaporware.

If sonosax could do a small analog only pre, I'd buy it.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 08:18:42 PM »
^SX-M2...  there are two of em in the YS.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 10:01:09 PM »
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/30485-sonosax-sx-m32/&tab=comments#comment-339336

pics in above link


Same pre-amps as R4+, size of iphone 6


This is a prototype though...
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2017, 10:11:13 AM »
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 02:18:50 PM »
Frankly it looks perfect for 5/6 on the mixpre6. I’m not sure I want to Pay for an ad stage I won’t use though.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 09:48:48 AM »

Any update on the launching date of the Sonosax SX-M2D2?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 10:15:03 AM »

I wonder if the Sound Devices release of their new MixPre series killed this Sonosax pre?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2018, 10:40:20 AM »
It can take Sonosax years to release new products - the original SX-R4 was in development for 3-4 years
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 09:25:09 AM »
SX-M2D2 Product Announcement

The SX-M2D2 is a lightweight 2 channels high resolution dual-domain microphones preamplifier with integrated USB audio Class 2. Compact, low power, battery powered, the SX-M2D2 embeds similar high performance dual A/D converters than the SX-R4+. This product is the ideal companion for various mobile environments. Its ergonomic has been carefully designed for convenience and easy of operation.


https://www.sonosax.ch/category/news/sononews/

Inputs / Outputs
2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel
1x AES3/AES42 on TA3, transformer balanced input with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel
1x line output on TA3, 2 channels analog unbalanced
1x AES3 output on TA3, 2 channels transformer balanced with ASRC (48/96/192k)
1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector
independent line/headphones stereo output on mini-jack

Performance
135 dB (A-weighted) overall dynamic range
THD < 0.001%
90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz
24-bit 48/96/192kHz

Powering
external DC 9-18V on Hirose 4-pin
external DC 5V on micro USB
removable lithium-ion battery, charged with external DC input
intelligent energy management

User interface
128×64 monochrome OLED display
two rotary encoder for gain control
intuitive menu navigation

Mechanical
Machined aluminum housing
overall dimension: 74 x 28 x 130 mm (2.9’’ x 1.1’’ x 5.1’’)
weight 300g (0.44lbs) with battery
mounting holes on both sides
optional mounting bracket for still camera

Note: preliminary specifications, subject to change without notice
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
I wonder what the price will be
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 10:59:56 AM »
I wonder what the price will be

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I sent an e-mail to Sonosax inquiring about pricing and the availability date for the pre.  I'll post their response if I receive one.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 11:23:59 AM »
If only the sonosax usb outputs could work with the mixpre6 usb in....
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 12:43:53 PM »

Sonosax was quick to respond to my inquiry concerning pricing and a product release date but unfortunately there isn't much information to share on either of those items yet.  Here is the Sonosax response.


"Hi,

Really happy to receive such an email! We are working hard on that product, but I cannot give you for now any delivery date nor pricing.
Will create the product page on our website and update status there.

Thanks,

Vincent Maillard"




Le 04.09.2018 à 16:29, dlaw1999@comcast.net a écrit :
Good morning,
 
I am very interested in purchasing the new SX-M2D2.  Can you tell me when you expect this product to be released?  Do you have an estimated retail price for the SX-M2D2?
 
Thank you,
 
David Lawrence

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 07:06:57 PM »
Danm...That thing looks sexy...

If that's a Hiros 4pin power input...guessing 3Pin Mini XLR's for input and output?



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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 08:22:47 AM »

This from the Sonosax Facebook site.


Does SONOSAX have an anticipated release date for the new SX-M2D2?

SONOSAX:  We expect production for end of year, perhaps beginning of 2019.

https://www.facebook.com/sonosax/posts/1849895708435775?comment_id=1849911008434245&reply_comment_id=1850829625009050

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
Danm...That thing looks sexy...

If that's a Hiros 4pin power input...guessing 3Pin Mini XLR's for input and output?

Yes on all fronts. It also accepts USB-C 5v power, which is a plus.

Personally, I'm not a fan of miniXLR (TA3) connectors for the long haul, but they help keep the form factor very small.

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2018, 03:49:02 PM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2018, 01:41:55 AM »
OH GOD NO!


NOT PHASE REVERSAL!??!


(polarity reversal would be correct, there is probably no delay component!)


Inputs / Outputs2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel

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  • [/size]1x AES3 output on TA3, 2 channels transformer balanced with ASRC (48/96/192k)[/size][/font]
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  • [/size]1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector[/size][/font]
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  • [/size]independent line/headphones stereo output on mini-jack[/size][/font]
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  • Performance135 dB (A-weighted) overall dynamic range
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  • [/size]THD < 0.001%[/size][/font]
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  • [/size]90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz[/size][/font]
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  • [/size]24-bit 48/96/192kHz[/size][/font]
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2018, 08:28:33 PM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?


Yes - I think that is one of the main drivers in the design
I hope you can charge/power your phone through it




It has a removable internal battery as well
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2018, 11:22:37 AM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?

The latest "sell sheet" for the Sonosax SX-M2D2 shows USB direct output to a smart phone recorder.   :headphones:


Mic preamplifier for Mobile USB Audio

https://www.sonosax.ch/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SX-M2D2-Sell-Sheet.pdf
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2018, 03:48:02 PM »
"2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel"









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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2018, 10:06:11 PM »
"2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel"

Brother. You got to let it go.

Words’ meanings develope and change over time.

Descriptively, phase and polarity are synonymous in this context.







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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2018, 10:20:08 PM »
"2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel"
They all seem to have drunk the kool-aid.

Brother. You got to let it go.

Words’ meanings develope and change over time.

Descriptively, phase and polarity are synonymous in this context.


Marketing kids these days.  Everything has to be all sexed up.

Descriptive and real, not so much.



Here's a great article that I found on B&H Photo's site, of all places, that reinforces my argument, noahbickart.  This is where I'm coming from:


https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/audio/tips-and-solutions/polarity-vs-phase-whats-the-difference


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2018, 08:03:55 AM »
From a user standpoint, as long as you know what this control does and how to use it, all is fine. The Capn has a valid point, however. In terms of what this control does to the audio waveform," phase inverting" would be the most accurate description. The generally accepted end-user term has always been "polarity reverse" Throwing in a 3rd term of "phase reverse" tends to muddy the water a bit. I'm all for keeping things as simple as possible.   

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2018, 11:59:43 AM »
wonder if this box will be knocked back to usa 114 db .the usa version of the sxr4+ is 114 db the swiss version is 135 db. maybe zaxcom can only stop the recorder version.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2018, 01:32:56 PM »
wonder if this box will be knocked back to usa 114 db .the usa version of the sxr4+ is 114 db the swiss version is 135 db. maybe zaxcom can only stop the recorder version.

(Taperssection Reference thread to the "compromised sxr4+  USA version":   http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=170590.msg2164551#msg2164551   )

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The following is taken from a recent post from the Facebook Sonosax users group regarding the new SX-M2D2:

"Michael Hughes - Will there have to be a 'compromised' US version without dual A/Ds like the R4+? 

Sono Sax - That product can be sold worldwide with the dual A/D input stage"

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THD < 0.001%
90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2018, 02:27:35 PM »
well you can count me in on one of these.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2018, 11:43:08 AM »
Gotta love Sax...post pics and product specs before they finish design.  People had to wait a looong time from announcement to release of the sx-m4+. They haven't started taking pre-orders so looks like early 2019 might be optimistic.

Any bets what this comes in at?  I'll wager a starting guess of $1699.

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2018, 12:49:02 PM »
I'm thinking the preorder price will be about 1200usd . the sxr4+ at 6000usd 4 pres = !500 per pre. plus size and lack of other features . at least thats what i hope.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2018, 01:26:03 PM »
Gotta love Sax...post pics and product specs before they finish design.  People had to wait a looong time from announcement to release of the sx-m4+. They haven't started taking pre-orders so looks like early 2019 might be optimistic.

Any bets what this comes in at?  I'll wager a starting guess of $1699.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2018, 11:18:43 AM »
wonder if this box will be knocked back to usa 114 db .the usa version of the sxr4+ is 114 db the swiss version is 135 db. maybe zaxcom can only stop the recorder version.

(Taperssection Reference thread to the "compromised sxr4+  USA version":   http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=170590.msg2164551#msg2164551   )

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"Michael Hughes - Will there have to be a 'compromised' US version without dual A/Ds like the R4+? 

Sono Sax - That product can be sold worldwide with the dual A/D input stage"

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THD < 0.001%
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24-bit 48/96/192kHz


This is probably because the device itself is not a recorder (i.e. the way Zaxcom filed the patent).  I bet the SX-AD8+ is the same way
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2018, 12:19:27 PM »
This looks really promising.

I just picked up an R4+ and am blown away by its quality. I do nature recording and find the mike preamps and AD stage as good as it gets for my purposes.

One thing that I find especially nice about the R4+ is the DAC/Headphone stage. It's truly exceptional and rivals all the preemo DACs I've heard. That number isn't very high, but my point stands, I think.

If Sax is able to match the DAC on the R4+ with this new device, I should think that it would be a perfect capture/mixing machine.


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2018, 07:49:26 PM »
Hmmm. "Polarity" would be more apt, but that doesn't make "phase" wrong. Inverting the signal polarity causes all the components of the signal--conceived of as individual sinusoids at each frequency where significant energy is present, like in a Fourier transform--to be phase-shifted 180 degrees from their previous selves.

It's a degenerate case of phase distortion, if you will. (And if you won't, then happy holidays anyway.)

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2019, 02:22:39 PM »
Any word on this box .i have some goverment refunds burning a hole in my pocket

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2019, 03:34:35 PM »
Glad I just sold one of my SXM2's through Reverb.  I wonder what will happen to that market once these are in the wild?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 10:57:24 PM »
Any word on this box .i have some goverment refunds burning a hole in my pocket

https://www.sonosax.ch/product/sx-m2d2/

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2019, 12:06:51 AM »
Now works with iPhone and android according to Mr. Sax
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2019, 10:35:56 AM »
SX-M2D2
Impatiently awaited, this new compact pre-amplifier is now in the final stages of development. Delivery date and price will be announced in early 2019

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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2019, 10:57:45 AM »
According to John Willett on the Gear Slutz Forum it was shown at the AES show in Dublin. He did say he saw it and talked to Sonosax but did not offer any other comments or price.

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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2019, 07:23:23 PM »
This is an authorized dealer showing €1,253 ($1,408).

http://www.noyzboyz.nl/Producten/Sonosax/SX-M2D2/sonosax-sx-m2d2-preamplifier

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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2019, 07:43:25 PM »

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.

SPDR is not bit accurate sadly
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« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2019, 03:05:43 PM »
I just heard from a US dealer: $1390.00, shipping in June.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2019, 05:10:48 PM »

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.

SPDR is not bit accurate sadly

I wonder which of the small recorders with a spdif input will take the aes output from this.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2019, 08:03:14 AM »

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.

SPDR is not bit accurate sadly

I wonder which of the small recorders with a spdif input will take the aes output from this.

with USB interface couldnt you just use a phone ? or anything capable of recording a usb input ?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2019, 08:22:52 AM »
with USB interface couldnt you just use a phone ? or anything capable of recording a usb input ?


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« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2019, 11:33:29 AM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter
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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2019, 12:49:25 PM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.



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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2019, 01:33:12 PM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.

they dont advertise it as such. its advertised as "USB 2.0" which doesnt tell us anything as it can be adaptive or asynchronous. Dont assume that just because they make great audio hardware, that they make great computer interfaces.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2019, 02:51:28 PM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?
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« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2019, 03:38:33 PM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?


Probably not as the USB on the MixPre is used to connect to a host device.  The host device treats the MicPre as a "slave" device and controls the MixPre.


The MixPre would need to be able to be a host device and support audio devices plugged into it to make this work (associated drivers/firmware support) would be required on the MixPre - physically it may be possible with the USBC connector but unless the mixpre can control the sonosax it would not work.


 


 
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« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2019, 03:45:23 PM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.

they dont advertise it as such. its advertised as "USB 2.0" which doesnt tell us anything as it can be adaptive or asynchronous. Dont assume that just because they make great audio hardware, that they make great computer interfaces.


Well don't assume the opposite - Other usb devices on the market such as the SD MixPre and USBPre2 series don't advertise as supporting asynchronous USB either - should we assume it is unacceptable to use them as USB interfaces as well?



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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2019, 12:23:32 AM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?

USB Audio is listed as one of the various inputs on the mixpre6 spec sheet.
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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2019, 09:15:11 AM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?

USB Audio is listed as one of the various inputs on the mixpre6 spec sheet.


Can you provide a link?


I do see it support 4 channels in on USB audio in when connected to a Windows Computer with downloadable ASIO drivers (MAC OS usually handles this natively) - it doesn't specifically say you can us the mixpre as a master device for Audio purposes


I went ahead and asked support if the mixpre can take a USB signal (such as from the USBPre2) - I will post response here once I get it.


FWIW - I am reading is that all USB Audio Class 2 devices support Asynchronous USB and that the Sound Device products are class 2.  To be able to transfer above 24/96 2 channel class 2 is required.


Exert from the mixpre DL page:


https://www.sounddevices.com/product/mixpre-6/#tab-content-downloads


"An ASIO[/size]®[/color][/size] [/color][/size]driver (v) for the MixPre Series by Ploytec is now available for download.[/color][/size]With USB Audio Class 1 devices — that is, Windows-based computers without an ASIO driver — the MixPre Series audio recorders are capable of sending two channels of audio (L, R) and receiving two channels of audio via USB to/from the computer.[/color]
[/size]This software driver adds ASIO support in Windows OS for the MixPre-6 and/or MixPre-3. With the ASIO driver installed, Windows-based computers become USB Audio Class 2 devices, which means the MixPre-6 can send eight channels (1-6, L, R) to the computer and receive four channels from the computer via USB, while the MixPre-3 can send five in and receive two out. The ASIO driver for the MixPre Series allows for low-latency operation and max sample rate for USB audio up to 96 kHz on Windows computers. This driver supports Windows 7 and later, both 32- and 64-bit versions."[/color]
 
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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2019, 09:23:08 AM »
As far as devices go that can take aes. i intend on using it on my old 744t . it takes aes in on all four channels and i already have an Audio root Upre mk 11 that i use aes in . This will
give me four channels of aes in . I was going to buy another Audio root Upre mk 11 . but it appears they are not making anymore of them. Plus if this can work with an Android thats
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2019, 11:04:16 AM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.

they dont advertise it as such. its advertised as "USB 2.0" which doesnt tell us anything as it can be adaptive or asynchronous. Dont assume that just because they make great audio hardware, that they make great computer interfaces.


Well don't assume the opposite - Other usb devices on the market such as the SD MixPre and USBPre2 series don't advertise as supporting asynchronous USB either - should we assume it is unacceptable to use them as USB interfaces as well?
I never said it was unacceptable, I said it was a compromise in design, Which we see all the time with portable gear
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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2019, 11:07:38 AM »
I’m not sure if class two designs necessarily use asynchronous. I know that class ones certainly cannot. But it does not necessarily mean in class two USB is always asynchronous, It really comes down to whether the device has its own clock or not and utilizes it, again that’s my take but it seems like most of us are speculating
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2019, 01:12:14 PM »
From SD about feeding the MixPre-3/6/10 a USB audio signal such as from the USBPre2 or M2D2:


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Thank you for contacting Sound Devices. If you are asking if the MixPre series can input audio via the USB-A or C connection from another USB audio device connection the answer is it does not support that feature. [/size]The USB-A on the MixPre-3 and MixPre-6 is for external controllers and keyboards and the MixPre-10T USB-A connection can also be used for thumbdrive data transfer. The only time audio can be input via USB-C is while the MixPre is being used as an audio interface with a PC or Mac computer, but not from another USB device connection.
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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2019, 09:18:09 AM »
I asked Trew Audio to reach out to Sonosax to inquire about the availability date for the SX-M2D2 and I received this reply yesterday:

"Not available till August, Maybe a little later......"

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« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2019, 04:51:28 AM »
The SX-M2D2 is still coming…

Sonosax say it should be available from November.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/09/15/sonosax-sx-m2d2-audio-interface-a-swiss-army-knife-for-on-camera-audio/

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« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2019, 02:58:28 PM »
There is a 15% discount if you order one directly from Sonosax right now
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2019, 04:21:48 PM »
Would be a cool set up with the new CMC1 mic bodies with some XLR to mini xlr cables
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2019, 06:44:15 PM »

I wonder if the Sound Devices release of their new MixPre series killed this Sonosax pre?

lol i read this and thought it was from the last week

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2019, 01:42:34 PM »
The SX-M2D2 is still coming…

Sonosax say it should be available from November.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/09/15/sonosax-sx-m2d2-audio-interface-a-swiss-army-knife-for-on-camera-audio/

i see it but there is no link for payment or cost . i maybe missing something ? i sent them an email .

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2019, 01:44:05 PM »
There is a 15% discount if you order one directly from Sonosax right now

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« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2019, 07:42:53 PM »
There is a 15% discount if you order one directly from Sonosax right now

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See:
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You will probably need to call them in Switzerland and order by phone.
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« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2019, 07:48:05 PM »
ive had an T-mod HDP2 for a looooong time. this might be my next go to.

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« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2019, 08:13:33 PM »
I’m curious what the headphone out will be like. Given the interface functionality, it’d be great to size down my headphone monitoring setup and also have this be part of a field rig.

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« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2019, 08:14:18 PM »
akg c426 >channel box>sx-m2d2 >iphone would be pretty slick

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« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2019, 05:22:21 AM »
User Interface
128×64 monochrome OLED display
two rotary encoders for gain control
2 or 4 channels peak meters
intuitive menu navigation


i wonder how this works?
inputs:
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2ch AES3 or AES42 in
2ch mic/line in
2ch USB in

2ch USB out
2ch line out
+ another 2ch headphone/line out

does it map 4 channels to two separate outputs?

ive asked sax for more details

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« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2019, 08:14:18 AM »
got a email back from sonosax . looks like with the 15% discount and CHF to USD conversion looking around $1021.00 .

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« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2019, 08:15:47 AM »
Oh yea Nov 19 delivery

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« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2019, 08:59:09 AM »
I got a reply back about my questions. They didn’t give any information, just said they don’t have any documentation ready yet. I like the sale price but I’m leery to buy it if I can’t see some documentation on basic operations.
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« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2019, 10:10:43 AM »
got a email back from sonosax . looks like with the 15% discount and CHF to USD conversion looking around $1021.00 .

The Sonosax website (news) that mentions the 15% discount says the price is $1190 CHF (1198 USD).  Did they confirm your price above via email?  Their email back to me only included banking information, but no price.


Edit - I received another email confirming the discounted price is $1190 CHF, so $1198 USD currently.
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« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2019, 12:59:58 PM »
talked to them over the phone this morning and got an email so i can do a bank transfer . the exchange rate varies day to day .usually a little bit .You may have to pay a VAT tax when delivered also should be small .

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« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2019, 01:25:19 PM »
Yes, it constantly varies, but the CHF/USD rate hasn’t changed significantly over the last few years.

My point was that the exchange (with the discount) is closer to $1200 USD, not $1020 USD.

Their last email to me:
...the price of 1190.00 CHF is already with the discount.
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« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2019, 03:25:20 PM »
yep my bad i was thinking that they where knocking 15% off of the advertised price in the sononews article so yes it will be 1200 USD +vat  tax if any. their site says free shipping over 300 CHF .

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« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2019, 10:16:29 AM »
^ There won't be VAT (the U.S. doesn't have one), but you may have to pay import duties/customs fees on a purchase of that price.

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« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2019, 07:47:19 AM »
did those that ordered get them yet ?

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« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2019, 08:38:04 AM »
did those that ordered get them yet ?

curious about some first hand experience with these

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Availability in the USA was quoted for November 2019.  Whether that actually occurs remains to be seen.
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« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2019, 06:41:16 PM »
I can't wait to see pictures of what's inside that thing.  Hopefully it's not a raspberry pi.  LOL
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« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2019, 01:33:12 PM »
sonosax says shipping next week

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« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2019, 09:48:52 AM »
if only there were an inexpensive bit bucket with nothing but an aes input.
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« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2019, 11:09:47 AM »
if only there were an inexpensive bit bucket with nothing but an aes input.
    this box is capable of recording to android or ios phones . If size isn't important a sd 702 or 744 takes aes they can be had on ebay .

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« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2019, 11:41:30 AM »
if only there were an inexpensive bit bucket with nothing but an aes input.

I would imagine AES > COAX would work just fine

I think i would try that until i was comfortable with USB on a phone or on the newer SDii units which can accept USB audio

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« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2019, 02:20:31 PM »
Wish they could have squeezed in 2 x 18650 batteries instead of one  - He said only 3 hours of operation per charge
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« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2019, 05:59:56 PM »
I think i'll pickup a iphone 7 or 8 to interface with this in stealth or situations where i go small . Question what would be the best app be for the iphone /sax . Opinions?

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« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2019, 12:15:20 PM »
if only there were an inexpensive bit bucket with nothing but an aes input.

If it will record to an iPhone, then an iPod Touch should do the trick.
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« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2019, 07:51:52 PM »
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« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2019, 08:01:16 PM »
Tracking say's mine will be here tomorrow . Now i need to get a ipod touch since i use mac book pro . hope cables wont be to hard make or get.

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« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2019, 09:10:48 PM »
I think i'll pickup a iphone 7 or 8 to interface with this in stealth or situations where i go small . Question what would be the best app be for the iphone /sax . Opinions?
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« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2019, 07:31:10 AM »
I think i'll pickup a iphone 7 or 8 to interface with this in stealth or situations where i go small . Question what would be the best app be for the iphone /sax . Opinions?
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« Reply #102 on: November 06, 2019, 12:17:00 AM »
so can this do 4 separate channels? (mic in + AES?) it shows 4 channel levels on pg 14 of the manual, but pg 20 and 21 suggest it works as a mixer only to 2-ch output.

can phones/lineout/aes out/usb out have different inputs routed to each??
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« Reply #103 on: November 06, 2019, 10:07:38 PM »
so can this do 4 separate channels? (mic in + AES?) it shows 4 channel levels on pg 14 of the manual, but pg 20 and 21 suggest it works as a mixer only to 2-ch output.

can phones/lineout/aes out/usb out have different inputs routed to each??

"An embedded digital matrix allows any input to be routed to any output or to an internal stereo mixer."

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« Reply #104 on: November 07, 2019, 04:14:22 PM »
Tracking say's mine will be here tomorrow . Now i need to get a ipod touch since i use mac book pro . hope cables wont be to hard make or get.

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« Reply #105 on: November 07, 2019, 04:47:39 PM »
Tracking say's mine will be here tomorrow . Now i need to get a ipod touch since i use mac book pro . hope cables wont be to hard make or get.

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"old and in the way" have you figured out what external battery that you're going to use with this pre for recording times exceeding the estimated "3 hour" limit on the internal battery?  Mine arrived yesterday and I look forward to giving it a spin soon...
i have a few Naztech 1500 and a few Monoprice usbc batteries . I have made a few rt angle hirose that i can use with the naztech to m2d2 . you should have quite a few options available out there . i doubt that this box will be real power hungry it all depends on the mics 48 v draw. I got his box a day or so ago and it comes with no ta3 cables so i have some ta3f coming and will build a set of break out mic cables and a ta3f to 3.5 right angle stereo . I'll also build a ta3f to xlr 110 ohm aes cable . i ordered a couple of usb to lightning and lightning to usbc cables that will work with a phone or tablet. for now i have a i pad that im going to play with . just waiting on connects . i have the cable and can solder . everything cable wise comes out the bottom so rt angle everything would be best ,

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« Reply #106 on: November 07, 2019, 05:04:15 PM »
Why not just get 2 x 18650 batteries and a charger - swap at some point - looks pretty easy to open and close the door
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« Reply #107 on: November 07, 2019, 05:37:44 PM »
yes i also have a couple extra 1865 batteries and a charger . came with a vape that bit the big one . batteries seem to be fine ,can always get new . the battery swap is quick but i'll have to see if the setting still stay the same . if you have to set it up again that could be an issue in a dark venue especially stealth.

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« Reply #108 on: November 07, 2019, 05:55:10 PM »
on another note  to power this up you have to push both knobs at the same time and it powers up . not a real fast start up either . then to set it up you use left and rt knobs to scroll through the menu and set it up for your particular use . i think there is a preset menu that once encoded will make it easy . kind of like the mixpre 3,6.10

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« Reply #109 on: November 07, 2019, 11:22:49 PM »
while checking out my other 18650 batteries i noticed they have a raised button on the positive end .these type will not work in the sxm2d2. you should order the type that comes with the box. available on ebay .

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« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2019, 09:47:53 AM »
From the Sonosax FB page:

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Users Warning!

The preamplifier-USB converter SX-M2D2 has three power supply options: USC-C, Hirose connector and internal removable battery.

The battery must be present in the device to ensure that all functions are always available.

The SX-M2D2 can be powered only from one of its connectors for a few moments when replacing a discharged battery with a charged one.

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« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2019, 10:34:13 AM »
From the Sonosax website.

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« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2019, 10:47:52 AM »
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« Reply #113 on: November 08, 2019, 10:58:22 AM »
i can confirm that the 18650 battery is being charged while you use external power source. i hooked up hirose and a naztech . the 18650 had about half charge . let it run awhile and 18650 was at almost full charge when i came back . just wish i had the cables to do tests and get it out into the field. Most everything i have uses full size xlrs or are not the right thing. i have a tiny box (5 pin ta5 to xlr ) .

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« Reply #114 on: November 08, 2019, 11:33:44 AM »
so i plugged in hirose power and pulled the 18650 battery. 20 min later still powered up. i don't know if any functions are effected . but it's good to know that you could hot swap the 18650.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #115 on: November 10, 2019, 12:29:34 AM »
so i plugged in hirose power and pulled the 18650 battery. 20 min later still powered up. i don't know if any functions are affected . but it's good to know that you could hot swap the 18650.
I would be cautious with that assumption, until it's better known what, if any functions are affected!?!
Once it's better known, you can choose if hot swapping is for you!?


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2019, 06:38:55 AM »
so i plugged in hirose power and pulled the 18650 battery. 20 min later still powered up. i don't know if any functions are affected . but it's good to know that you could hot swap the 18650.
I would be cautious with that assumption, until it's better know what, if any functions are affected!?!
Once it's better known, you can choose if hot swapping is for you!?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2019, 03:50:24 PM »
Well i should have read the web site piece that said a usbc to lightning cable won't work .you have to use that dongal . so i have to run over to the apple store and pick one up. about 40 bucks . i couldn't figure out why the sxm2d2 wasnt being recognize by apogee app . live annd learn the hard way thats me.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2019, 05:01:58 PM »
I think i'll pickup a iphone 7 or 8 to interface with this in stealth or situations where i go small . Question what would be the best app be for the iphone /sax . Opinions?
iphone SE (~$100) and apogee metarecorder ($5)
Thats the way i think i'll roll thanks jerry

NEW (not refurb) 32GB SEs at best buy for $60

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/simple-mobile-apple-iphone-se-silver/6370444.p?ref=8575135&loc=3e990c5404cd11eab54996e3530149c00INT&acampID=3e990c5404cd11eab54996e3530149c00INT&skuId=6370444

while 32GB is less than ideal (20-24GB recording left after OS) this is pretty a good deal as ive only ever seen refurbs at this price, considering it should have slightly better battery and better reliability. locked to simple mobile and needs 12 months of paid service (min $300 to unlock) but for a dedicated recorder where cellular radio does nothing but drain your battery and cause activity from other apps, its a good match for our needs

since space is small these are great (and allows you to backup from metarecorder without a computer - also can play flacs and mp3s from them in sandisk app)

https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/usb-flash-drives/sandisk-ixpand-usb-3-0#SDIX30C-032G-GN6NN


also worth mentioning this is the smallest iphone out there with modernish specs (and supported by apple), last series with a real 2.5mm headphone jack, battery life is good

SE has been discontinued for a year these may be the last new ones around. the rumored SE2 will be a larger format they say (and of course no headphone jack) 

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #119 on: November 11, 2019, 05:14:05 PM »
I think i'll pickup a iphone 7 or 8 to interface with this in stealth or situations where i go small . Question what would be the best app be for the iphone /sax . Opinions?
iphone SE (~$100) and apogee metarecorder ($5)
Thats the way i think i'll roll thanks jerry

NEW (not refurb) 32GB SEs at best buy for $60

Thanks for the info .I went ahead and pulled on one . to good of a price. like you said nnot a monster on gigs but it's all i Need .once i transfer to my macbook pro i can archive it or store it as a flac .

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/simple-mobile-apple-iphone-se-silver/6370444.p?ref=8575135&loc=3e990c5404cd11eab54996e3530149c00INT&acampID=3e990c5404cd11eab54996e3530149c00INT&skuId=6370444

while 32GB is less than ideal (20-24GB recording left after OS) this is pretty a good deal as ive only ever seen refurbs at this price, considering it should have slightly better battery and better reliability. locked to simple mobile and needs 12 months of paid service (min $300 to unlock) but for a dedicated recorder where cellular radio does nothing but drain your battery and cause activity from other apps, its a good match for our needs

since space is small these are great (and allows you to backup from metarecorder without a computer - also can play flacs and mp3s from them in sandisk app)

https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/usb-flash-drives/sandisk-ixpand-usb-3-0#SDIX30C-032G-GN6NN


also worth mentioning this is the smallest iphone out there with modernish specs (and supported by apple), last series with a real 2.5mm headphone jack, battery life is good

SE has been discontinued for a year these may be the last new ones around. the rumored SE2 will be a larger format they say (and of course no headphone jack)

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #120 on: November 11, 2019, 05:52:00 PM »
reportedly these are shipping with ios 11 which works fine with metarecorder
ios 12 also good

ios13 prob work fine with d:vice but it def is a little more buggy of an OS and also takes up more space i think

if using as a dedicated recroder id test your setup with whatever OS it comes with and leave it there

i dont think you can upgrade to 12 at this point (maybe if you jailbreak it but im not that dorky when it comes to these)

also since these are new they come with a year of apple tv+ if thats your jam ($60 value)

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #121 on: November 22, 2019, 01:50:57 PM »
I'm taking it out tomorrow night for Billy Strings at the Madison Covington Ky . Going to run it aes into my 744t .going to run one pair of DPA 4011c's .just a two channel pull .want to hear What this box has in it. i'll use a mobile phone later on after i try it out on some local gigs .that way if there are problems it's not as bad as a 40 dollar show.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #122 on: November 23, 2019, 10:49:05 AM »
I'm taking it out tomorrow night for Billy Strings at the Madison Covington Ky . Going to run it aes into my 744t .going to run one pair of DPA 4011c's .just a two channel pull .want to hear What this box has in it. i'll use a mobile phone later on after i try it out on some local gigs .that way if there are problems it's not as bad as a 40 dollar show.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #123 on: November 23, 2019, 11:32:09 AM »
I'm taking it out tomorrow night for Billy Strings at the Madison Covington Ky . Going to run it aes into my 744t .going to run one pair of DPA 4011c's .just a two channel pull .want to hear What this box has in it. i'll use a mobile phone later on after i try it out on some local gigs .that way if there are problems it's not as bad as a 40 dollar show.

Looking forward to hearing your first impressions from the field.  I hope to have a set of cables made, including an AES3 XLR cable, in the near future.

For spares for the internal batteries I ordered these Panasonic batteries (identical to the Panasonic battery that came with the M2D2).

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YJRNZ62/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
I am leery about purchasing "shoddy bootleg batteries online" but the batteries that I received are identical to the battery that came with the unit.  Made in Japan.  Shipped from the USA.  The price on this 6 pack has gone up $2 in the past week.


I'm using this "smart battery charger" for the M2D2 internal battery.  it took between 5-6 hours to fully charge these batteries.

https://www.thomasdistributing.com/Nitecore-Digicharger-D2-Two-Channel-Universal-Battery-Charger_p_7065.html

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« Reply #124 on: November 24, 2019, 10:17:38 AM »
So last night at Billy Strings . Madison Th Covington .i was shut down before i got started . First they came outside and said no stands . so ok . Then they said no taping from the floor but the Balcony would be ok . So in i go and lug the bag up three flights to the balcony started to get gear out and they come up and say no taping tonight per management. so i ask for supervisor and he says the same thing so no go last night . Bummer . New management at the venue so i don't Know .It's a first for Billy hope this is not a new policy.

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« Reply #125 on: November 25, 2019, 02:56:06 PM »
I got my M2D2 last week and have had a chance to test it out. This was a replacement for a my first unit which presented tons of pink noise/distortion on chs. 1 and 2 after only 20 mins. My dealer was quick to resolve the problem and the new unit seems to present no such issues.

Some unorganized impressions follow. For reference, I do nature/field recording and run Schoeps Omnis in either AB or with a Jecklin disk. I have used the SD 702, the Nagra Seven and currently own the Sonosax R4+.

-Build quality: this bests every recorder/preamp I've ever hand in my hands. Body and encoders are Leica-quality. The screen is small but readable.

-The unit turns on/off in an instant. It's immediately recognizable as a Core Audio device on macOS Sierra and, to my surprise, works with the iPhone flawlessly with the basic lightening to usb camera kit that SAX recommends.

-Audio quality: The preamps/AD are on par with the R4+ which is the best sounding portable recorder I've ever heard. Headphone stage is equally impressive. I use the Sennheiser HD 25s, which are efficient, so I have no idea how it might handle more taxing headphones.

-Powering: I set it up to run 2chs with P48 ON and headphones to see how long the battery would last. I wasn't actually sending the 1s and 0s to my iPhone, but that said I got 5 hours before it powered down. 
 
My expectations were high for this product, and they've been met and surpassed so far.

If it works for me in the field, I might sell the R4+. I only run 2chs, and I don't believe I'll miss out on sound quality with the M2D2.


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #126 on: December 01, 2019, 01:57:08 PM »
SAX posted the following the FB Users Group:

"Message to SX-M2D2 users: We encountered an electronic component problem on the first series of devices.
The analog mic/line inputs may in some cases not support a short circuit of the 48 V phantom power supply. Therefore, it is imperative not to switch on the phantom power when connecting an unbalanced source to the analog inputs.
We apologize for this malfunction which is already fixed on the devices delivered from today. The first series will be modified at Sonosax's expense for users who request it."

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2019, 02:34:55 PM »
What’s the street price on this? Other than a phone, has anyone else had success with aes> spdif into a bit bucket?
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« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2019, 04:08:07 PM »
What’s the street price on this? Other than a phone, has anyone else had success with aes> spdif into a bit bucket?
1390.00 at Gotham sound . I've tested it aes into a 744t . and it sounded fine . also tested with iphone usb .also good . haven't had it out at a show yet.at least one that didn't shut me down.(see above ) . Will get this out on the 7th with i Phone .

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« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2019, 06:16:05 PM »
Are all outputs simultaneous / live?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #130 on: December 10, 2019, 10:22:45 AM »

https://www.sonosax.ch/sononews-december-2019/

SONONEWS December 2019

"After exhibiting at IBC and AES in New York this fall, the Sonosax team moved to its winter quarters in Switzerland.  There is no shortage of work: following an inversion of components, the SX-M2D2s in the first series are fragile. For safety, the entire first batch delivered was recalled to the factory and modified by us.   Of course, the new devices do not have the defect and there are therefore no more defective devices in circulation today."



This was posted to the FB Sonosax Users group last week:

“Message to SX-M2D2 users: We encountered an electronic component problem on the first series of devices.

The analog mic/line inputs may in some cases not support a short circuit of the 48 V phantom power supply. Therefore, it is imperative not to switch on the phantom power when connecting an unbalanced source to the analog inputs.

We apologize for this malfunction which is already fixed on the devices delivered from today.  The first series will be modified at Sonosax's expense for users who request it.


I'm awaiting instructions from Trew Audio for returning my unit for repair. 

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #131 on: December 10, 2019, 01:14:32 PM »

https://www.sonosax.ch/sononews-december-2019/

SONONEWS December 2019

"After exhibiting at IBC and AES in New York this fall, the Sonosax team moved to its winter quarters in Switzerland.  There is no shortage of work: following an inversion of components, the SX-M2D2s in the first series are fragile. For safety, the entire first batch delivered was recalled to the factory and modified by us.   Of course, the new devices do not have the defect and there are therefore no more defective devices in circulation today."


Ditto on my unit from gotham sound .waiting on word .

This was posted to the FB Sonosax Users group last week:

“Message to SX-M2D2 users: We encountered an electronic component problem on the first series of devices.

The analog mic/line inputs may in some cases not support a short circuit of the 48 V phantom power supply. Therefore, it is imperative not to switch on the phantom power when connecting an unbalanced source to the analog inputs.

We apologize for this malfunction which is already fixed on the devices delivered from today.  The first series will be modified at Sonosax's expense for users who request it.


I'm awaiting instructions from Trew Audio for returning my unit for repair.

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« Reply #132 on: December 10, 2019, 01:16:36 PM »

https://www.sonosax.ch/sononews-december-2019/

SONONEWS December 2019

"After exhibiting at IBC and AES in New York this fall, the Sonosax team moved to its winter quarters in Switzerland.  There is no shortage of work: following an inversion of components, the SX-M2D2s in the first series are fragile. For safety, the entire first batch delivered was recalled to the factory and modified by us.   Of course, the new devices do not have the defect and there are therefore no more defective devices in circulation today."



This was posted to the FB Sonosax Users group last week:

“Message to SX-M2D2 users: We encountered an electronic component problem on the first series of devices.

The analog mic/line inputs may in some cases not support a short circuit of the 48 V phantom power supply. Therefore, it is imperative not to switch on the phantom power when connecting an unbalanced source to the analog inputs.

We apologize for this malfunction which is already fixed on the devices delivered from today.  The first series will be modified at Sonosax's expense for users who request it.


I'm awaiting instructions from Trew Audio for returning my unit for repair.


Ditto on my unit that was purchased from Gotham Sound.

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« Reply #133 on: December 10, 2019, 03:47:01 PM »
The analog mic/line inputs may in some cases not support a short circuit of the 48 V phantom power supply. Therefore, it is imperative not to switch on the phantom power when connecting an unbalanced source to the analog inputs.
Plugging in an unbalanced line or mic source could roast the mic/line input? Yeah, let them fix this for you.
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« Reply #134 on: December 10, 2019, 03:49:08 PM »
So Gotham sent me a ups return label and they will forward it onto sonosax. turnaround ?

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« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2019, 06:03:46 PM »
That's odd, I bought from Gotham and have had to deal directly with SAX. They've given me their FedEX account number, and I'm to arrange shipping there myself.

I admit that I'm a little miffed. I would have liked to have a new unit waiting for me stateside to switch out. But I understand SAX is a small company and the M2D2 is so nice that I'll get over it.

I'll keep folks updated on turn around time. I expect to ship mine out tomorrow.

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« Reply #136 on: December 12, 2019, 10:38:23 PM »

My pre shipped back to Trew Audio today.  Trew will be shipping to Sonosax for repair and then arrange shipping back to me.
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« Reply #137 on: December 20, 2019, 09:31:48 AM »

From JWSound:  https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/32028-sonosax-m2d2/&page=2&tab=comments#comment-368758&ct=1576852254


The download link is located in the accessories section at the Sonosax website:  https://www.sonosax.ch/product/sx-m2d2/


DIY 3D files for SX-M2D2 Mounting accessory:

Sonosax provides these files for you to to play with and 3D print.

Slide your SX-M2D2 into this box, protective case, mounting accessory, whatever you like to call it. Hot shoe fixing slides allow you to attach it to a camera. You may also slide it into your sound bag. The connectors are protected and the cables come out elegantly on the side.

Feel free to modify the original file according to your needs and ideas. And if you do, send us your photos, the most beautiful ones will be published on the sonosax.ch website.

In this .zip file: DIY_MOUNTING_ACC  you will find:

SX-M2D2_FRAME.SLDPRT (Solidworks 2015 or later 3D file)
SX-M2D2_FRAME.STEP (Exchange 3D file)
SX-M2D2_FRAME.STL (3D printer file)
Note: Sonosax does not provide this accessory in physical form. Only files for 3D printing are available.


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« Reply #138 on: December 20, 2019, 09:40:11 AM »
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You may be able to send this to Shapeways and get them to produce it for you if you don't have access to a 3D printer with durable enough materials.

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« Reply #139 on: December 20, 2019, 09:54:51 AM »
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You may be able to send this to Shapeways and get them to produce it for you if you don't have access to a 3D printer with durable enough materials.


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You are correct.  One of the JWSoundgroup users, Patrick Tresch, did send this to Shapeways for printing.  I think that this is actually Patrick's design.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #140 on: December 22, 2019, 11:01:47 AM »
New Firmware 1.1 available for the M2D2

Version 1.1 – December 16 2019: SX-M2D2 - Firmware tab

https://www.sonosax.ch/product/sx-m2d2/

Note: unzip archive and store both files into your USB drive root folder

Changelog:
•   Fixed output level issue in phones output (only under rare circumstances)
•   Fixed encoders push and long push events (was inverted in right navigation mode)
•   Fixed main screen rotary encoders: they can now be driven simultaneously
•   Modified dynamic mic preset (id 2) default input gain value (set to +30dB)
•   Added power management: device can be shutdown on Hirose unplug event or encoders long press (see POWER/SETUP menu)


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« Reply #141 on: December 24, 2019, 01:47:04 PM »
Update: SAX gave me their FedEX account code and the M2D2 was shipped back to them on 13 December and is back stateside on the 24th, en route to my place. Very fast turnaround!

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« Reply #142 on: December 24, 2019, 01:48:51 PM »
New Firmware 1.1 available for the M2D2

Version 1.1 – December 16 2019: SX-M2D2 - Firmware tab

https://www.sonosax.ch/product/sx-m2d2/

Note: unzip archive and store both files into your USB drive root folder

Changelog:
•   Fixed output level issue in phones output (only under rare circumstances)
•   Fixed encoders push and long push events (was inverted in right navigation mode)
•   Fixed main screen rotary encoders: they can now be driven simultaneously
•   Modified dynamic mic preset (id 2) default input gain value (set to +30dB)
•   Added power management: device can be shutdown on Hirose unplug event or encoders long press (see POWER/SETUP menu)

I don't have my unit with me at the moment (see above) but am I right in assuming that the USB driver root folder is on the M2D2 itself, and that once the files are moved to that directory, turning the machine on takes care of the update?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #143 on: December 27, 2019, 08:07:29 AM »
Mine is on it’s way back

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« Reply #144 on: December 31, 2019, 06:46:41 AM »
Got mine back and checked it out . The good folks at sonosax up graded the firmware to 1.1

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« Reply #145 on: January 03, 2020, 12:52:02 PM »
Got mine back and checked it out . The good folks at sonosax up graded the firmware to 1.1

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2020, 04:54:18 AM »
Got mine back and checked it out . The good folks at sonosax up graded the firmware to 1.1

when is your next scheduled outing ?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #147 on: January 04, 2020, 08:06:35 AM »
Got mine back and checked it out . The good folks at sonosax up graded the firmware to 1.1

when is your next scheduled outing ?

I taped a Local band called Salvadore Ross  its up on the archive .org  as community audio  taped on new years . archive is down at the moment for maintenance . I taped using an IPHONE SE .

thanks. sounds nice. the band is pretty good as well

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #148 on: January 15, 2020, 09:30:43 AM »
A question about the SX-M2D2 dynamic range. I read that the SX-R4+ dynamic range of 135dB is limited in the USA version to 114dB because of patent issues. Is the SX-M2D2 also limited in the US version?

EDIT: Got the answer to this question: No, it is not limited.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #149 on: January 15, 2020, 11:11:06 AM »
A question about the SX-M2D2 dynamic range. I read that the SX-R4+ dynamic range of 135dB is limited in the USA version to 114dB because of patent issues. Is the SX-M2D2 also limited in the US version?

The SX-R4+ is limited as shipped, because of the Zaxcom patent, but the 135dB range is restored via a software update via the sonosax website. In other words, the limited range is a legal fiction.

I don't know if there is a similar issue with the SX-M2D2's dynamic range. But if there is, it is a non issue, solved in minutes by anyone with an internet connected computer.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #150 on: January 15, 2020, 11:13:26 AM »
Sonosax does not limit the dynamic range on non-recorder devices such as the M2D2 or AD8+.
The patent only applies to a Recorder.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #151 on: January 15, 2020, 11:14:15 AM »
A question about the SX-M2D2 dynamic range. I read that the SX-R4+ dynamic range of 135dB is limited in the USA version to 114dB because of patent issues. Is the SX-M2D2 also limited in the US version?

The SX-R4+ is limited as shipped, because of the Zaxcom patent, but the 135dB range is restored via a software update via the sonosax website. In other words, the limited range is a legal fiction.

I don't know if there is a similar issue with the SX-M2D2's dynamic range. But if there is, it is a non issue, solved in minutes by anyone with an internet connected computer.

Thanks for that info.
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« Reply #152 on: January 15, 2020, 11:14:54 AM »
Sonosax does not limit the dynamic range on non-recorder devices such as the M2D2 or AD8+.
The patent only applies to a Recorder.

Thanks. That's good to hear.
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« Reply #153 on: January 15, 2020, 07:56:04 PM »
interesting. how do zoom, lectrosonics, sound devices, etc "get around" the zax patents
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #154 on: January 15, 2020, 09:16:24 PM »
interesting. how do zoom, lectrosonics, sound devices, etc "get around" the zax patents


Maybe a circuit topological difference in the arrangement of the 2 AD's per channel - don't know for sure.


Zaxcom isn't the first company to come up with the idea (from what I have read that the idea is from the late 1980's to early 1990's) and is almost trolling the idea.
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« Reply #155 on: January 27, 2020, 12:20:35 PM »

My pre shipped back to Trew Audio today.  Trew will be shipping to Sonosax for repair and then arrange shipping back to me.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #156 on: February 08, 2020, 12:00:22 PM »
^ Any chance of getting a photo of that cable setup?  Hope you're feeling better, I just got over a nasty funk. 

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« Reply #157 on: February 08, 2020, 07:19:54 PM »


>The SX-R4+ is limited as shipped, because of the Zaxcom patent, but the 135dB range is restored via a software update via the sonosax website. In other words, the limited >range is a legal fiction.

>I don't know if there is a similar issue with the SX-M2D2's dynamic range. But if there is, it is a non issue, solved in minutes by anyone with an internet connected computer.
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I have no sympathy for Zaxcom, but we should remember that in US law, if you do not defend a patent, you lose the protection.  I think Zaxcom is aggressively litigious anyway, but they probably have a lawyer telling them they must be seen to protect their patent, whether it is justifiable or not. 


aside from that, can you provide a link to where on the "on the Sonosax site" the dynamic range upgrade for the US R4+ is available? I have looked hard and cant find it.  Your mention is the first I have seen anywhere.  If I could find such a link, I'd be a lot happier about paying full price for a "crippled" US version. 114 dB does not reach 24 bit depth.
The M2D2 has the full dynamic range, and the 'same preamps'  as the EU recorder, says Sonosax.
I would think for USERS to download such a file and use it is our own business, like unlocking a phone, but for Sonosax to supply such a link on sisght might be construed as negating the 'US version" so-called patent avoidance (IMO we need not call it "patent compliance", because there is no proof there is a conflict, and Jacques does not want to test it at law with technical disclosure etc.). If they do it anyway, hurray for them.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #158 on: February 09, 2020, 11:58:08 AM »
https://www.sonosax.ch/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf


"This modification is reversible for those who may leave the US."

If you buy the machine, contact sonosax for the reversal.
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« Reply #159 on: February 20, 2020, 11:57:22 PM »
For at least this reason, I do not buy Zaxcom products.   There is something about this that really bothers me.  I think there is a chance that if Zaxcom sued Sonosax for selling the units in the U.S., and if Sonosax could afford good legal counsel, Sonosax could win.  My 2 cents. 

Meanwhile this SX-m2d2 sounds great. 

I am sorry for not reading all the posts - but what would be a great recorder that would match it well?

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« Reply #160 on: February 21, 2020, 12:08:52 AM »
For at least this reason, I do not buy Zaxcom products.   There is something about this that really bothers me.  I think there is a chance that if Zaxcom sued Sonosax for selling the units in the U.S., and if Sonosax could afford good legal counsel, Sonosax could win.  My 2 cents. 

Meanwhile this SX-m2d2 sounds great. 

I am sorry for not reading all the posts - but what would be a great recorder that would match it well?

iphone?

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« Reply #161 on: February 21, 2020, 02:09:18 AM »
Ran it today with DPA 4081 mics into a battery box (Church Audio), using a cable Sonosax made me to go from the 1/8" stereo out of the battery box into the line/mic in TA-3 inputs of the SX-M2D2.  From there to an iPhone with Apogee Metarecorder.  I have been using these mics into an iPhone with the DPA MMA-A for two years or more.  While the Sonosax setup is much bulkier (not only the SX-M2D2 itself, but also 9V battery for the mics), I am convinced the sound improvement is major.  No direct apples-to-apples comps, though.  One nice thing is that with the battery box powering the mics, the internal SX-M2D2 battery ran for two hours and seemed only about 1/3 down.

I intend to run it tomorrow as backup, I will use Schoeps MK21 caps with phantom from the Sonosax (and an external USB battery on the Sonosax).  My main pair (on piano and violin) will be Schoeps MK22s > Zoom F8n.

One nice thing: the DPA MMA-A is limited to 30 dB gain, with the 4081s on a quiet chamber music group I need to boost this at least 25 dB in post.  I ran too low today anyway (and both MMA-A and SXM2D2 take the 20dB boost with little damage).  But the SX-M2D2 will let me dial in 72 dB of gain.

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« Reply #162 on: February 22, 2020, 01:30:13 AM »
Doesn't the clock precision on the recorder matter - or does it not in this case because it is being fed a digital signal that stays digital?  Thank you in advance.

For at least this reason, I do not buy Zaxcom products.   There is something about this that really bothers me.  I think there is a chance that if Zaxcom sued Sonosax for selling the units in the U.S., and if Sonosax could afford good legal counsel, Sonosax could win.  My 2 cents. 

Meanwhile this SX-m2d2 sounds great. 

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iphone?

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« Reply #163 on: March 20, 2020, 02:44:58 AM »
Ran it today with DPA 4081 mics into a battery box (Church Audio), using a cable Sonosax made me to go from the 1/8" stereo out of the battery box into the line/mic in TA-3 inputs of the SX-M2D2.  From there to an iPhone with Apogee Metarecorder.  I have been using these mics into an iPhone with the DPA MMA-A for two years or more.  While the Sonosax setup is much bulkier (not only the SX-M2D2 itself, but also 9V battery for the mics), I am convinced the sound improvement is major.  No direct apples-to-apples comps, though.  One nice thing is that with the battery box powering the mics, the internal SX-M2D2 battery ran for two hours and seemed only about 1/3 down.

I intend to run it tomorrow as backup, I will use Schoeps MK21 caps with phantom from the Sonosax (and an external USB battery on the Sonosax).  My main pair (on piano and violin) will be Schoeps MK22s > Zoom F8n.

One nice thing: the DPA MMA-A is limited to 30 dB gain, with the 4081s on a quiet chamber music group I need to boost this at least 25 dB in post.  I ran too low today anyway (and both MMA-A and SXM2D2 take the 20dB boost with little damage).  But the SX-M2D2 will let me dial in 72 dB of gain.

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Between bad luck and the coronavirus shutdown I have not been able to get far with this testing.

The violin/piano session I mentioned in late February had a surprise.  The artist management organization for the musicians decided (without prior notice to us) to video the event for online streaming in the late spring.  Their crew brought in three or four cameras and wanted my mics out of the sightlines.  So no close spots on the piano and no central pairs where they wanted a camera and their mics.  I explained that the recorded balance for the archival tape would be off, nobody cared.  I was relieved for a moment that they decided to record the audio with their own Schoeps MK21s, until I noticed the setup for the pair was together about 3-4" apart and totally parallel.  Not sure that wide cardioids in that setup would do much for a stereo image.  I ended up going with my Sonosax to iPhone recording, but I was too far from the violin and attempts to fix this in Rx7 with Debleed have not done a whole lot to improve it. Two weeks later the weekly concert series was shut down until further notice for the virus.

I did do a recording in the same venue (before the campus was shut down completely to outsiders) of cello and piano, with the main setup I wanted in late February, except MK4s as main pair, and it came out splendidly.  But it was a Sunday night (no audience) session with lots of multiple takes, and I didn't bring the Sonosax to keep things simple. 

Now there are no concerts to record, anywhere.  So tune in next year for an update!

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« Reply #164 on: March 20, 2020, 04:04:35 AM »
Doesn't the clock precision on the recorder matter - or does it not in this case because it is being fed a digital signal that stays digital?  Thank you in advance.

clock precision always matters in any system, as the jitter encountered on the recording side results in permanent distortion in the recording
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« Reply #165 on: April 28, 2020, 06:41:47 PM »
got an email from sonosax saying they are shipping and filling orders if anyone was curious
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« Reply #166 on: April 30, 2020, 06:41:09 AM »
Sonosax is taking part in Sound Devices' "Sound Summit" event today. The time slot for the SX-M2D2 is listed as 13:10 CDT = 2:10 p.m. U.S. Eastern time = 11:10 a.m. U.S. Pacific time.

https://thesoundsummit.org/

[edited later to add] The above address now contains links to the video recordings of this event's two days.
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Video made for Sound Summit 2020.

Sonosax - Episode 1 - SX-M2D2

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