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Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« on: September 28, 2017, 10:37:57 AM »
Sonosax (via their 40th anniversary email) mentioned:

"A new 2 channels mic preamplifier / converter SX-M2D2 - under development - with AES I/O and USB interface"

Hope this actually is released, small and is affordable (less than $1K)
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 12:05:49 PM »
Sonosax (via their 40th anniversary email) mentioned:

"A new 2 channels mic preamplifier / converter SX-M2D2 - under development - with AES I/O and USB interface"

Hope this actually is released, small and is affordable (less than $1K)

With the price of all their other gear I would rule out the "affordable" part.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 05:34:33 PM »
Their ad8+ sells for about $4500-5000 - so that's about $600 per channel - so the unit will probably sell in the $1250 range but you never know
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 05:41:31 PM »
It would be interesting to know if it's actually a SX-M2 w/AD..  or based off of the SX-M2 w/AD.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2017, 09:47:04 AM »
I'd be surprised if it is based off the SX-M2 - I would think it would use their newest designs that are are used in the R4+ and AD8+  and I would also hope it is smaller then the original M2 as they crammed 8 channels of preamp/AD into a package smaller then 2x as big as the original M2 with the AD8+.  The AD8+ doesn't have internal batteries, nor analog outs - so we will see.  They may add a headphone to this unit.   


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 07:40:44 PM »
my issue is the lack of a inexpensive and simple bit bucket on the market. Why is this so hard?

My mixpre6 has no digi ins, so in theory I'd be interested in a fancy pre for the line in on 5 and 6. I'm not interested in paying for a AD stage I'd never use.

The http://puebloaudio.com/isleta---battery-preamp.html looked promising, but seems to be vaporware.

If sonosax could do a small analog only pre, I'd buy it.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 08:18:42 PM »
^SX-M2...  there are two of em in the YS.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 10:01:09 PM »
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/30485-sonosax-sx-m32/&tab=comments#comment-339336

pics in above link


Same pre-amps as R4+, size of iphone 6


This is a prototype though...
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2017, 10:11:13 AM »
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 02:18:50 PM »
Frankly it looks perfect for 5/6 on the mixpre6. I’m not sure I want to Pay for an ad stage I won’t use though.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 09:48:48 AM »

Any update on the launching date of the Sonosax SX-M2D2?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 10:15:03 AM »

I wonder if the Sound Devices release of their new MixPre series killed this Sonosax pre?
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2018, 10:40:20 AM »
It can take Sonosax years to release new products - the original SX-R4 was in development for 3-4 years
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 09:25:09 AM »
SX-M2D2 Product Announcement

The SX-M2D2 is a lightweight 2 channels high resolution dual-domain microphones preamplifier with integrated USB audio Class 2. Compact, low power, battery powered, the SX-M2D2 embeds similar high performance dual A/D converters than the SX-R4+. This product is the ideal companion for various mobile environments. Its ergonomic has been carefully designed for convenience and easy of operation.


https://www.sonosax.ch/category/news/sononews/

Inputs / Outputs
2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel
1x AES3/AES42 on TA3, transformer balanced input with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel
1x line output on TA3, 2 channels analog unbalanced
1x AES3 output on TA3, 2 channels transformer balanced with ASRC (48/96/192k)
1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector
independent line/headphones stereo output on mini-jack

Performance
135 dB (A-weighted) overall dynamic range
THD < 0.001%
90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz
24-bit 48/96/192kHz

Powering
external DC 9-18V on Hirose 4-pin
external DC 5V on micro USB
removable lithium-ion battery, charged with external DC input
intelligent energy management

User interface
128×64 monochrome OLED display
two rotary encoder for gain control
intuitive menu navigation

Mechanical
Machined aluminum housing
overall dimension: 74 x 28 x 130 mm (2.9’’ x 1.1’’ x 5.1’’)
weight 300g (0.44lbs) with battery
mounting holes on both sides
optional mounting bracket for still camera

Note: preliminary specifications, subject to change without notice
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
I wonder what the price will be
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 10:59:56 AM »
I wonder what the price will be

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I sent an e-mail to Sonosax inquiring about pricing and the availability date for the pre.  I'll post their response if I receive one.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 11:23:59 AM »
If only the sonosax usb outputs could work with the mixpre6 usb in....
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 12:43:53 PM »

Sonosax was quick to respond to my inquiry concerning pricing and a product release date but unfortunately there isn't much information to share on either of those items yet.  Here is the Sonosax response.


"Hi,

Really happy to receive such an email! We are working hard on that product, but I cannot give you for now any delivery date nor pricing.
Will create the product page on our website and update status there.

Thanks,

Vincent Maillard"




Le 04.09.2018 à 16:29, dlaw1999@comcast.net a écrit :
Good morning,
 
I am very interested in purchasing the new SX-M2D2.  Can you tell me when you expect this product to be released?  Do you have an estimated retail price for the SX-M2D2?
 
Thank you,
 
David Lawrence

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 07:06:57 PM »
Danm...That thing looks sexy...

If that's a Hiros 4pin power input...guessing 3Pin Mini XLR's for input and output?



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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 08:22:47 AM »

This from the Sonosax Facebook site.


Does SONOSAX have an anticipated release date for the new SX-M2D2?

SONOSAX:  We expect production for end of year, perhaps beginning of 2019.

https://www.facebook.com/sonosax/posts/1849895708435775?comment_id=1849911008434245&reply_comment_id=1850829625009050

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
Danm...That thing looks sexy...

If that's a Hiros 4pin power input...guessing 3Pin Mini XLR's for input and output?

Yes on all fronts. It also accepts USB-C 5v power, which is a plus.

Personally, I'm not a fan of miniXLR (TA3) connectors for the long haul, but they help keep the form factor very small.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2018, 03:49:02 PM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2018, 01:41:55 AM »
OH GOD NO!


NOT PHASE REVERSAL!??!


(polarity reversal would be correct, there is probably no delay component!)


Inputs / Outputs2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel

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  • Performance135 dB (A-weighted) overall dynamic range
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  • [/size]THD < 0.001%[/size][/font]
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  • [/size]90 kHz overall frequency response @192kHz[/size][/font]
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2018, 08:28:33 PM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?


Yes - I think that is one of the main drivers in the design
I hope you can charge/power your phone through it




It has a removable internal battery as well
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2018, 11:22:37 AM »
From the specs: 

"1x USB audio 2 channels input/output on micro USB type B connector"

Does this mean you could use your phone to record to?

The latest "sell sheet" for the Sonosax SX-M2D2 shows USB direct output to a smart phone recorder.   :headphones:


Mic preamplifier for Mobile USB Audio

https://www.sonosax.ch/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SX-M2D2-Sell-Sheet.pdf
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2018, 03:48:02 PM »
"2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel"









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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2018, 10:06:11 PM »
"2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel"

Brother. You got to let it go.

Words’ meanings develope and change over time.

Descriptively, phase and polarity are synonymous in this context.







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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2018, 10:20:08 PM »
"2x mic/line inputs on TA3, electronically balanced, with phase reversal, 48V phantom, LF cut and level control on the front panel"
They all seem to have drunk the kool-aid.

Brother. You got to let it go.

Words’ meanings develope and change over time.

Descriptively, phase and polarity are synonymous in this context.


Marketing kids these days.  Everything has to be all sexed up.

Descriptive and real, not so much.



Here's a great article that I found on B&H Photo's site, of all places, that reinforces my argument, noahbickart.  This is where I'm coming from:


https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/audio/tips-and-solutions/polarity-vs-phase-whats-the-difference


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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2018, 08:03:55 AM »
From a user standpoint, as long as you know what this control does and how to use it, all is fine. The Capn has a valid point, however. In terms of what this control does to the audio waveform," phase inverting" would be the most accurate description. The generally accepted end-user term has always been "polarity reverse" Throwing in a 3rd term of "phase reverse" tends to muddy the water a bit. I'm all for keeping things as simple as possible.   

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2018, 11:59:43 AM »
wonder if this box will be knocked back to usa 114 db .the usa version of the sxr4+ is 114 db the swiss version is 135 db. maybe zaxcom can only stop the recorder version.

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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2018, 01:32:56 PM »
wonder if this box will be knocked back to usa 114 db .the usa version of the sxr4+ is 114 db the swiss version is 135 db. maybe zaxcom can only stop the recorder version.

(Taperssection Reference thread to the "compromised sxr4+  USA version":   http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=170590.msg2164551#msg2164551   )

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"Michael Hughes - Will there have to be a 'compromised' US version without dual A/Ds like the R4+? 

Sono Sax - That product can be sold worldwide with the dual A/D input stage"

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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2018, 02:27:35 PM »
well you can count me in on one of these.

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2018, 11:43:08 AM »
Gotta love Sax...post pics and product specs before they finish design.  People had to wait a looong time from announcement to release of the sx-m4+. They haven't started taking pre-orders so looks like early 2019 might be optimistic.

Any bets what this comes in at?  I'll wager a starting guess of $1699.

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2018, 12:49:02 PM »
I'm thinking the preorder price will be about 1200usd . the sxr4+ at 6000usd 4 pres = !500 per pre. plus size and lack of other features . at least thats what i hope.

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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2018, 01:26:03 PM »
Gotta love Sax...post pics and product specs before they finish design.  People had to wait a looong time from announcement to release of the sx-m4+. They haven't started taking pre-orders so looks like early 2019 might be optimistic.

Any bets what this comes in at?  I'll wager a starting guess of $1699.

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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2018, 11:18:43 AM »
wonder if this box will be knocked back to usa 114 db .the usa version of the sxr4+ is 114 db the swiss version is 135 db. maybe zaxcom can only stop the recorder version.

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This is probably because the device itself is not a recorder (i.e. the way Zaxcom filed the patent).  I bet the SX-AD8+ is the same way
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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2018, 12:19:27 PM »
This looks really promising.

I just picked up an R4+ and am blown away by its quality. I do nature recording and find the mike preamps and AD stage as good as it gets for my purposes.

One thing that I find especially nice about the R4+ is the DAC/Headphone stage. It's truly exceptional and rivals all the preemo DACs I've heard. That number isn't very high, but my point stands, I think.

If Sax is able to match the DAC on the R4+ with this new device, I should think that it would be a perfect capture/mixing machine.


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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2018, 07:49:26 PM »
Hmmm. "Polarity" would be more apt, but that doesn't make "phase" wrong. Inverting the signal polarity causes all the components of the signal--conceived of as individual sinusoids at each frequency where significant energy is present, like in a Fourier transform--to be phase-shifted 180 degrees from their previous selves.

It's a degenerate case of phase distortion, if you will. (And if you won't, then happy holidays anyway.)

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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2019, 02:22:39 PM »
Any word on this box .i have some goverment refunds burning a hole in my pocket

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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2019, 03:34:35 PM »
Glad I just sold one of my SXM2's through Reverb.  I wonder what will happen to that market once these are in the wild?
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 10:57:24 PM »
Any word on this box .i have some goverment refunds burning a hole in my pocket

https://www.sonosax.ch/product/sx-m2d2/

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.
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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2019, 12:06:51 AM »
Now works with iPhone and android according to Mr. Sax
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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2019, 10:35:56 AM »
SX-M2D2
Impatiently awaited, this new compact pre-amplifier is now in the final stages of development. Delivery date and price will be announced in early 2019

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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2019, 10:57:45 AM »
According to John Willett on the Gear Slutz Forum it was shown at the AES show in Dublin. He did say he saw it and talked to Sonosax but did not offer any other comments or price.

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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2019, 07:23:23 PM »
This is an authorized dealer showing €1,253 ($1,408).

http://www.noyzboyz.nl/Producten/Sonosax/SX-M2D2/sonosax-sx-m2d2-preamplifier
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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2019, 07:43:25 PM »

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.

SPDR is not bit accurate sadly
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« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2019, 03:05:43 PM »
I just heard from a US dealer: $1390.00, shipping in June.

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« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2019, 05:10:48 PM »

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.

SPDR is not bit accurate sadly

I wonder which of the small recorders with a spdif input will take the aes output from this.
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« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2019, 08:03:14 AM »

That page hasn't been updated in a while. But that plus the new SPDR via AES might be the dream rig for those running two channels only.

SPDR is not bit accurate sadly

I wonder which of the small recorders with a spdif input will take the aes output from this.

with USB interface couldnt you just use a phone ? or anything capable of recording a usb input ?
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« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2019, 08:22:52 AM »
with USB interface couldnt you just use a phone ? or anything capable of recording a usb input ?


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« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2019, 11:33:29 AM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter
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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2019, 12:49:25 PM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.



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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2019, 01:33:12 PM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.

they dont advertise it as such. its advertised as "USB 2.0" which doesnt tell us anything as it can be adaptive or asynchronous. Dont assume that just because they make great audio hardware, that they make great computer interfaces.
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« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2019, 02:51:28 PM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?
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« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2019, 03:38:33 PM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?


Probably not as the USB on the MixPre is used to connect to a host device.  The host device treats the MicPre as a "slave" device and controls the MixPre.


The MixPre would need to be able to be a host device and support audio devices plugged into it to make this work (associated drivers/firmware support) would be required on the MixPre - physically it may be possible with the USBC connector but unless the mixpre can control the sonosax it would not work.


 


 
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« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2019, 03:45:23 PM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.

they dont advertise it as such. its advertised as "USB 2.0" which doesnt tell us anything as it can be adaptive or asynchronous. Dont assume that just because they make great audio hardware, that they make great computer interfaces.


Well don't assume the opposite - Other usb devices on the market such as the SD MixPre and USBPre2 series don't advertise as supporting asynchronous USB either - should we assume it is unacceptable to use them as USB interfaces as well?



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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2019, 12:23:32 AM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?

USB Audio is listed as one of the various inputs on the mixpre6 spec sheet.
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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2019, 09:15:11 AM »
wow, I never considered the usb.

Does anyone think we might be able to get it to work with the mixpre6 via usb?

USB Audio is listed as one of the various inputs on the mixpre6 spec sheet.


Can you provide a link?


I do see it support 4 channels in on USB audio in when connected to a Windows Computer with downloadable ASIO drivers (MAC OS usually handles this natively) - it doesn't specifically say you can us the mixpre as a master device for Audio purposes


I went ahead and asked support if the mixpre can take a USB signal (such as from the USBPre2) - I will post response here once I get it.


FWIW - I am reading is that all USB Audio Class 2 devices support Asynchronous USB and that the Sound Device products are class 2.  To be able to transfer above 24/96 2 channel class 2 is required.


Exert from the mixpre DL page:


https://www.sounddevices.com/product/mixpre-6/#tab-content-downloads


"An ASIO[/size]®[/color][/size] [/color][/size]driver (v) for the MixPre Series by Ploytec is now available for download.[/color][/size]With USB Audio Class 1 devices — that is, Windows-based computers without an ASIO driver — the MixPre Series audio recorders are capable of sending two channels of audio (L, R) and receiving two channels of audio via USB to/from the computer.[/color]
[/size]This software driver adds ASIO support in Windows OS for the MixPre-6 and/or MixPre-3. With the ASIO driver installed, Windows-based computers become USB Audio Class 2 devices, which means the MixPre-6 can send eight channels (1-6, L, R) to the computer and receive four channels from the computer via USB, while the MixPre-3 can send five in and receive two out. The ASIO driver for the MixPre Series allows for low-latency operation and max sample rate for USB audio up to 96 kHz on Windows computers. This driver supports Windows 7 and later, both 32- and 64-bit versions."[/color]
 
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2019, 09:23:08 AM »
As far as devices go that can take aes. i intend on using it on my old 744t . it takes aes in on all four channels and i already have an Audio root Upre mk 11 that i use aes in . This will
give me four channels of aes in . I was going to buy another Audio root Upre mk 11 . but it appears they are not making anymore of them. Plus if this can work with an Android thats
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2019, 11:04:16 AM »
unless its asynchronous the usb signal will almost certainly be a compromise relative to spdif in terms of jitter


I would be very surprised if it is not an asynchronous usb signal.    I haven't seen a USB audio product in years that is not asynchronous and would think Sonosax of all companies would think of this design limitation.

they dont advertise it as such. its advertised as "USB 2.0" which doesnt tell us anything as it can be adaptive or asynchronous. Dont assume that just because they make great audio hardware, that they make great computer interfaces.


Well don't assume the opposite - Other usb devices on the market such as the SD MixPre and USBPre2 series don't advertise as supporting asynchronous USB either - should we assume it is unacceptable to use them as USB interfaces as well?
I never said it was unacceptable, I said it was a compromise in design, Which we see all the time with portable gear
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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2019, 11:07:38 AM »
I’m not sure if class two designs necessarily use asynchronous. I know that class ones certainly cannot. But it does not necessarily mean in class two USB is always asynchronous, It really comes down to whether the device has its own clock or not and utilizes it, again that’s my take but it seems like most of us are speculating
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2019, 01:12:14 PM »
From SD about feeding the MixPre-3/6/10 a USB audio signal such as from the USBPre2 or M2D2:


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Thank you for contacting Sound Devices. If you are asking if the MixPre series can input audio via the USB-A or C connection from another USB audio device connection the answer is it does not support that feature. [/size]The USB-A on the MixPre-3 and MixPre-6 is for external controllers and keyboards and the MixPre-10T USB-A connection can also be used for thumbdrive data transfer. The only time audio can be input via USB-C is while the MixPre is being used as an audio interface with a PC or Mac computer, but not from another USB device connection.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2019, 09:18:09 AM »
I asked Trew Audio to reach out to Sonosax to inquire about the availability date for the SX-M2D2 and I received this reply yesterday:

"Not available till August, Maybe a little later......"

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2019, 04:51:28 AM »
The SX-M2D2 is still coming…

Sonosax say it should be available from November.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/09/15/sonosax-sx-m2d2-audio-interface-a-swiss-army-knife-for-on-camera-audio/

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2019, 02:58:28 PM »
There is a 15% discount if you order one directly from Sonosax right now
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2019, 04:21:48 PM »
Would be a cool set up with the new CMC1 mic bodies with some XLR to mini xlr cables
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2019, 06:44:15 PM »

I wonder if the Sound Devices release of their new MixPre series killed this Sonosax pre?

lol i read this and thought it was from the last week

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2019, 01:42:34 PM »
The SX-M2D2 is still coming…

Sonosax say it should be available from November.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/09/15/sonosax-sx-m2d2-audio-interface-a-swiss-army-knife-for-on-camera-audio/

i see it but there is no link for payment or cost . i maybe missing something ? i sent them an email .

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2019, 01:44:05 PM »
There is a 15% discount if you order one directly from Sonosax right now

link for purchase ?

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2019, 07:42:53 PM »
There is a 15% discount if you order one directly from Sonosax right now

link for purchase ?


See:
https://www.sonosax.ch/sononews-september-2019/


You will probably need to call them in Switzerland and order by phone.
https://www.sonosax.ch/contact/
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2019, 07:48:05 PM »
ive had an T-mod HDP2 for a looooong time. this might be my next go to.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2019, 08:13:33 PM »
I’m curious what the headphone out will be like. Given the interface functionality, it’d be great to size down my headphone monitoring setup and also have this be part of a field rig.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2019, 08:14:18 PM »
akg c426 >channel box>sx-m2d2 >iphone would be pretty slick

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2019, 05:22:21 AM »
User Interface
128×64 monochrome OLED display
two rotary encoders for gain control
2 or 4 channels peak meters
intuitive menu navigation


i wonder how this works?
inputs:
this has
2ch AES3 or AES42 in
2ch mic/line in
2ch USB in

2ch USB out
2ch line out
+ another 2ch headphone/line out

does it map 4 channels to two separate outputs?

ive asked sax for more details

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2019, 08:14:18 AM »
got a email back from sonosax . looks like with the 15% discount and CHF to USD conversion looking around $1021.00 .

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2019, 08:15:47 AM »
Oh yea Nov 19 delivery

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2019, 08:59:09 AM »
I got a reply back about my questions. They didn’t give any information, just said they don’t have any documentation ready yet. I like the sale price but I’m leery to buy it if I can’t see some documentation on basic operations.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2019, 10:10:43 AM »
got a email back from sonosax . looks like with the 15% discount and CHF to USD conversion looking around $1021.00 .

The Sonosax website (news) that mentions the 15% discount says the price is $1190 CHF (1198 USD).  Did they confirm your price above via email?  Their email back to me only included banking information, but no price.


Edit - I received another email confirming the discounted price is $1190 CHF, so $1198 USD currently.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2019, 12:59:58 PM »
talked to them over the phone this morning and got an email so i can do a bank transfer . the exchange rate varies day to day .usually a little bit .You may have to pay a VAT tax when delivered also should be small .

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2019, 01:25:19 PM »
Yes, it constantly varies, but the CHF/USD rate hasn’t changed significantly over the last few years.

My point was that the exchange (with the discount) is closer to $1200 USD, not $1020 USD.

Their last email to me:
...the price of 1190.00 CHF is already with the discount.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2019, 03:25:20 PM »
yep my bad i was thinking that they where knocking 15% off of the advertised price in the sononews article so yes it will be 1200 USD +vat  tax if any. their site says free shipping over 300 CHF .

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2019, 10:16:29 AM »
^ There won't be VAT (the U.S. doesn't have one), but you may have to pay import duties/customs fees on a purchase of that price.

 

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