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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #150 on: January 15, 2020, 11:13:26 AM »
Sonosax does not limit the dynamic range on non-recorder devices such as the M2D2 or AD8+.
The patent only applies to a Recorder.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #151 on: January 15, 2020, 11:14:15 AM »
A question about the SX-M2D2 dynamic range. I read that the SX-R4+ dynamic range of 135dB is limited in the USA version to 114dB because of patent issues. Is the SX-M2D2 also limited in the US version?

The SX-R4+ is limited as shipped, because of the Zaxcom patent, but the 135dB range is restored via a software update via the sonosax website. In other words, the limited range is a legal fiction.

I don't know if there is a similar issue with the SX-M2D2's dynamic range. But if there is, it is a non issue, solved in minutes by anyone with an internet connected computer.

Thanks for that info.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #152 on: January 15, 2020, 11:14:54 AM »
Sonosax does not limit the dynamic range on non-recorder devices such as the M2D2 or AD8+.
The patent only applies to a Recorder.

Thanks. That's good to hear.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #153 on: January 15, 2020, 07:56:04 PM »
interesting. how do zoom, lectrosonics, sound devices, etc "get around" the zax patents

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #154 on: January 15, 2020, 09:16:24 PM »
interesting. how do zoom, lectrosonics, sound devices, etc "get around" the zax patents


Maybe a circuit topological difference in the arrangement of the 2 AD's per channel - don't know for sure.


Zaxcom isn't the first company to come up with the idea (from what I have read that the idea is from the late 1980's to early 1990's) and is almost trolling the idea.
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #155 on: January 27, 2020, 12:20:35 PM »

My pre shipped back to Trew Audio today.  Trew will be shipping to Sonosax for repair and then arrange shipping back to me.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #156 on: February 08, 2020, 12:00:22 PM »
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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #157 on: February 08, 2020, 07:19:54 PM »


>The SX-R4+ is limited as shipped, because of the Zaxcom patent, but the 135dB range is restored via a software update via the sonosax website. In other words, the limited >range is a legal fiction.

>I don't know if there is a similar issue with the SX-M2D2's dynamic range. But if there is, it is a non issue, solved in minutes by anyone with an internet connected computer.
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I have no sympathy for Zaxcom, but we should remember that in US law, if you do not defend a patent, you lose the protection.  I think Zaxcom is aggressively litigious anyway, but they probably have a lawyer telling them they must be seen to protect their patent, whether it is justifiable or not. 


aside from that, can you provide a link to where on the "on the Sonosax site" the dynamic range upgrade for the US R4+ is available? I have looked hard and cant find it.  Your mention is the first I have seen anywhere.  If I could find such a link, I'd be a lot happier about paying full price for a "crippled" US version. 114 dB does not reach 24 bit depth.
The M2D2 has the full dynamic range, and the 'same preamps'  as the EU recorder, says Sonosax.
I would think for USERS to download such a file and use it is our own business, like unlocking a phone, but for Sonosax to supply such a link on sisght might be construed as negating the 'US version" so-called patent avoidance (IMO we need not call it "patent compliance", because there is no proof there is a conflict, and Jacques does not want to test it at law with technical disclosure etc.). If they do it anyway, hurray for them.

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Re: Sonosax SX-M2D2 Coming...
« Reply #158 on: February 09, 2020, 11:58:08 AM »
https://www.sonosax.ch/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf


"This modification is reversible for those who may leave the US."

If you buy the machine, contact sonosax for the reversal.
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