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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #150 on: February 26, 2018, 01:44:58 AM »
Ok so wait, is it true that there is really no Pad on the mic inputs?
This is one main reason I stepped away from my F8.  Really? Ok, then it looks like I may need a few more naiant MPD's
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #151 on: February 26, 2018, 07:59:26 AM »
are your mics really so hot that you need a pad?  I've never once in 15 years needed that.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #152 on: February 26, 2018, 08:12:49 AM »
If it's possible to implement this feature with a firmware update, I find it really odd that SD did not include it from the beginning. 
It's kind of a standard option with nearly every digital recorder that's been released in the last 10 years.

Maybe they thought their target users didn't need it?  At any rate, this post in the MixPre-3/6 thread says that SD is working on adding pre-record.  No idea if it will come to fruition, but it does give some hope.

Ok so wait, is it true that there is really no Pad on the mic inputs?
This is one main reason I stepped away from my F8.  Really? Ok, then it looks like I may need a few more naiant MPD's

I also doubt you will need attenuators.  The mic input can handle +14 dBu.  If that doesn't leave you enough headroom, you can always use the line inputs with phantom.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #153 on: February 26, 2018, 05:59:13 PM »
I run my Milab VM44's via the Naiant PFA's so there is no pad. They are especially hot when I run onstage.  The bodies have a -10db pad  but I usually no longer use them in order to more easily switch to my Naiant Milab-TinyBox when needed.
I'll try without the MPD's  but I do know on my DC196's I always have the -12db pad engaged even when I am not ruining on stage and at the house mix position.
I know without the pad enabled on the DC 196's or without the MPD's on the F8 my gain would be set trimmed close to the lowest possible gain position which left no room to turn the levels down.

Line inputs with phantom... hmmm like on the DR680.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #154 on: March 04, 2018, 05:12:23 PM »
Has anyone else had issues connecting the wingman app via bluetooth to the mixpre 10t on Android 8.1?

I thought it might be interference from the Naztech batteries and proximity and or gear bag and cabling. However at home I also tried the 12 v tascam ac to dc adapter and same issues.
After re booting my phone and powering down and on the mix pre a couple of times I was able to connect. Then i tried again and was unable to connect.
Sometimes the device would not show up at all othertimes it would appear but would not connect.
Any suggestions?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #155 on: March 04, 2018, 05:47:52 PM »
I have a mixpre 6 and android 8.1 and it's finicky for sure!  what I've found is I can not leave bluetooth on, on the mixpre (phone won't even see it).  I have to turn bt off and back on for it to connect.  it will then stay connected as long as the deck is powered up.  If I power down the deck between sets it does not connect when I power it back up.   turning bt on and off again works.  kind of a pain.....
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #156 on: March 04, 2018, 06:48:01 PM »
Thanks Gordon,  This makes some sense... and that may have been how I got it to connect... I'll try that later tonight at T-Sisters / Traveling McCourys

I have a mixpre 6 and android 8.1 and it's finicky for sure!  what I've found is I can not leave bluetooth on, on the mixpre (phone won't even see it).  I have to turn bt off and back on for it to connect.  it will then stay connected asa long as the deck is powered up.  If I power down the deck between sets it does not connect when I power it back up.   turning bt on and off again works.  kind of a pain.....

On another note I've noticed the 10T seems to eat my battery. My old f8 would hardly make a dent even with 6 phantom powered mics. The 10T used up half of the battery bars. Good thing I've got 2 Naztech's and I did still l have battery power left at the end of the night.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #157 on: March 04, 2018, 11:38:27 PM »
Has anyone else had issues connecting the wingman app via bluetooth to the mixpre 10t on Android 8.1?

I thought it might be interference from the Naztech batteries and proximity and or gear bag and cabling. However at home I also tried the 12 v tascam ac to dc adapter and same issues.
After re booting my phone and powering down and on the mix pre a couple of times I was able to connect. Then i tried again and was unable to connect.
Sometimes the device would not show up at all othertimes it would appear but would not connect.
Any suggestions?

Since updating to the latest firmware, I've had similar problems with the ios version and my Mixpre6. Toggling the bluetooth on and off solves the problem, so that's now part of my setup routine. I suspect they'll fix it...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #158 on: March 05, 2018, 11:10:03 AM »
Since updating to the latest firmware, I've had similar problems with the ios version and my Mixpre6. Toggling the bluetooth on and off solves the problem, so that's now part of my setup routine. I suspect they'll fix it...

I've been a bit too lazy to upgrade for 1.52 to 1.53 and haven't noticed a problem with BT and Wingman which I use every time to monitor levels so it must be a 1.53 bug. 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #159 on: March 05, 2018, 06:50:58 PM »
Since updating to the latest firmware, I've had similar problems with the ios version and my Mixpre6. Toggling the bluetooth on and off solves the problem, so that's now part of my setup routine. I suspect they'll fix it...

I've been a bit too lazy to upgrade for 1.52 to 1.53 and haven't noticed a problem with BT and Wingman which I use every time to monitor levels so it must be a 1.53 bug. 

Edit: Sorry I am on a Mixpre-6
I had the issue on 1.52 before the update yesterday  to 1.53, Last night I  just turned the bluetooth off in the 10t then back on. it seemed to work.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #160 on: March 07, 2018, 08:09:45 AM »
I never had 1.52 on my 6 and have had the issue for a while.  May be an android thing as I haven't heard many ios users complain about it.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #161 on: March 07, 2018, 05:19:03 PM »
SD is soon releasing a new version of this recorder aimed at musicians called the MixPre-10M:
http://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-10m

Here's an info page from TAI:
myemail.constantcontact.com/Introducing-the-MixPre-10M-from-Sound-Devices.html

The main differences are added overdubbing and effects onboard, and the deletion of TC capability and HDMI triggering.

Price will be $1499, so $300 less than the 10T.  They will sell the software as a plugin for the MixPre-6 and -10T units for $99.

Here's a video overview with Paul Isaacs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEvI5Xz0gJE

Gearslutz discussion thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-in-acoustic-music-and-location-recording/1205471-sound-devices-announces-mixpre-10m-quot-musicians-quot.html

I asked them on Twitter about what hardware differences exists between the 10T and 10M other than the removal of TC, and they just told me to compare the specs.  Obviously I had done that already.  Perhaps they would have been a bit more forthcoming via email.
https://twitter.com/sounddevices/status/971420075470225409

The feature comparison page for the MixPre series shows that the 10M has more options for channel linking than the 10T. 
Comparing the specs pages also shows that the 10M will not record at the 47.952 kHz or 48.048 kHz sample rates the 10T is capable of.
The 10M writes Poly WAV, Mono WAV, or AAC depending on the project type, whereas 10T writes Poly BWAV only.
I don't see any other differences other than the aforementioned removal of TC and HDMI, and of course the different firmware.


My takeaway: If you don't need TC, now you can get what is otherwise the same unit as the 10T for $300 less, and that's the most attractive thing for us here.  I think the overdubbing is a nice addition for mobile multitracking, but I am always against "baking in" effects on a recording in case you change your mind later.


Side note: I purposely did not start a new thread for the 10M as I don't think it's different enough to warrant its own thread.  We have too many threads around here as it is.

EDIT: Well, it looks like a new thread was already started by sos.  Here you go:
https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=185639.0
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #162 on: March 07, 2018, 07:06:23 PM »

The feature comparison page for the MixPre series shows that the 10M has more options for channel linking than the 10T. 
Comparing the specs pages also shows that the 10M will not record at the 47.952 kHz or 48.048 kHz sample rates the 10T is capable of.
The 10M writes Poly WAV, Mono WAV, or AAC depending on the project type, whereas 10T writes Poly BWAV only.
I don't see any other differences other than the aforementioned removal of TC and HDMI, and of course the different firmware.


My takeaway: If you don't need TC, now you can get what is otherwise the same unit as the 10T for $300 less, and that's the most attractive thing for us here.  I think the overdubbing is a nice addition for mobile multitracking, but I am always against "baking in" effects on a recording in case you change your mind later.


Side note: I purposely did not start a new thread for the 10M as I don't think it's different enough to warrant its own thread.  We have too many threads around here as it is.

If you're in the sound for picture market (which is Sound Devices' #1 target market by far and by far) then this new MixPre10M is totally pointless.  I've got no interest whatsoever in ever ever buying one of these.

So it really does mark them as stepping out to specifically target a completely different market than is normal for them.

Which can only be good news for MixPre users in general, if it expands their user base to help support more future development of the MixPre firmware updates.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #163 on: March 07, 2018, 07:51:55 PM »
Which can only be good news for MixPre users in general, if it expands their user base to help support more future development of the MixPre firmware updates.

This final comment I think is key.  It is peculiar that SD is offering a $99 plugin pack via a firmware flash.  I imagine that this might queue up the idea of creating a very versatile box that has main features but allows the user to pay extra for additional features that meet their specific needs.  In a sense it becomes a personalized high-resolution recorder.   :coolguy:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #164 on: March 07, 2018, 07:59:29 PM »

The feature comparison page for the MixPre series shows that the 10M has more options for channel linking than the 10T. 
Comparing the specs pages also shows that the 10M will not record at the 47.952 kHz or 48.048 kHz sample rates the 10T is capable of.
The 10M writes Poly WAV, Mono WAV, or AAC depending on the project type, whereas 10T writes Poly BWAV only.
I don't see any other differences other than the aforementioned removal of TC and HDMI, and of course the different firmware.


My takeaway: If you don't need TC, now you can get what is otherwise the same unit as the 10T for $300 less, and that's the most attractive thing for us here.  I think the overdubbing is a nice addition for mobile multitracking, but I am always against "baking in" effects on a recording in case you change your mind later.


Side note: I purposely did not start a new thread for the 10M as I don't think it's different enough to warrant its own thread.  We have too many threads around here as it is.

If you're in the sound for picture market (which is Sound Devices' #1 target market by far and by far) then this new MixPre10M is totally pointless.  I've got no interest whatsoever in ever ever buying one of these.

So it really does mark them as stepping out to specifically target a completely different market than is normal for them.

Which can only be good news for MixPre users in general, if it expands their user base to help support more future development of the MixPre firmware updates.

Right, this clearly isn't aimed at that (your) application.  Honestly I'm surprised they made this at all, since the whole new MixPre line in general seems aimed at "prosumer" with the 10T bridging the gap somewhat with the TC, hirose power, and high channel count.  The 10M seems to me like a way to move more units at a lower price (and yes, I'm considering the 10T and 10M as 90% the same "unit" from a R&D / tooling / manufacturing / ROI standpoint.) 

I mean, does the podcasting or singer / songwriter crowd really need a recorder with 8 preamps?  It would make more sense to me if they made an alternate version of the MixPre-3 or -6 that can record higher track counts with overdubbing and all of the other stuff they're putting into the 10M, since I can't imagine anyone they're marketing this new unit to using all of those inputs.

Regarding the firmware, if I were a 10T owner I'd be a bit miffed they are charging an additional $99 for this new firmware after already buying the most expensive unit of the new series.
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