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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #150 on: May 08, 2018, 03:04:30 PM »
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11:33 (hace 4 horas)

Dear customer, I received e-mail from Roland (Japan), for the "zipper noise" problem in the Roland R07:
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Hi Andrea,
The development team are aware of this and do not consider it to be fault.
Just reading the R-07 reference guide and it actually mentions the following:


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Thanks for collaboration.
Best regards

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #151 on: May 08, 2018, 04:23:18 PM »
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11:33 (hace 4 horas)

Dear customer, I received e-mail from Roland (Japan), for the "zipper noise" problem in the Roland R07:
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Hi Andrea,
The development team are aware of this and do not consider it to be fault.
Just reading the R-07 reference guide and it actually mentions the following:


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Thanks for collaboration.
Best regards

haha classic

Its not a malfunction, it is supposed to sound like a zipper?
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #152 on: May 08, 2018, 04:26:10 PM »
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #153 on: May 08, 2018, 04:34:27 PM »
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

The "just-stop-your-recording-to-adjust-your-levels-and-the-band-will-wait-until-you're-ready" feature!
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #154 on: May 08, 2018, 05:17:55 PM »
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

The "just-stop-your-recording-to-adjust-your-levels-and-the-band-will-wait-until-your-ready" feature!

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #155 on: May 08, 2018, 05:51:57 PM »
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

The "just-stop-your-recording-to-adjust-your-levels-and-the-band-will-wait-until-your-ready" feature!

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I have tried moving the gain during noisy and quiet concert moments recording at 24/48 and have not had the effect kick in. Maybe it is only at certain settings. It is unlikely it'll be heard if there is any source noise happening, but time will tell as more people use the deck. I prefer this over the "gain in one direction only" feature on the Zoom F1, but that Zoom is really small...
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #156 on: May 08, 2018, 07:25:13 PM »
Could the noise be getting picked up when using the internal mics?  External mics might not be susceptible?
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #157 on: May 08, 2018, 07:37:46 PM »
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

hahahaha, sad but really funny.

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #158 on: May 09, 2018, 02:29:11 PM »
Could the noise be getting picked up when using the internal mics?  External mics might not be susceptible?
That may be the case. I've been recording at 24/48 with CA 11 and AT853 into Naiant Pipsqueak or CA UGLY and have not had any noise. We'll learn more as more people use the deck on different settings.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #159 on: May 13, 2018, 11:48:57 AM »
Lol
So you might hear it or you might not.
If you hear it does that mean your ears are at a malfunction level or does that mean they are still excellent?
Really confusing
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #160 on: May 13, 2018, 01:00:25 PM »
Lol
So you might hear it or you might not.
If you hear it does that mean your ears are at a malfunction level or does that mean they are still excellent?
Really confusing

I only hear it when using my internal ears, not when using my external ones.

Oh wait, wrong thread...

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #161 on: May 13, 2018, 02:11:46 PM »
Just a thought from an engineering perspective. In my experience designing electronic gear using digital gain controls, glitches or spikes at the stepping points (zipper noise) are often exacerbated by any DC offset in the system. By that, I mean a small fixed voltage which is always present in addition to the varying AC voltage signal. The actual offset is generally very small (so isn't enough to cause any harm such as asymmetrical clipping for example). It can vary from device to device and is generally due to internal component tolerances so is difficult to characterize.  In higher spec equipment, the DC is generally nulled out, either automatically or via adjustments in the test phase, but this is probably not cost effective with tiny devices like the R7. So I would guess that that some R7s , or some batches, produce more audible zipper noise than others.

Not that any of this helps anyone who's experiencing the problem!  But it might explain the variation which people are reporting here...

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #162 on: May 13, 2018, 08:22:01 PM »
Another review from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Roland-R-07-RD-Resolution-Handheld-Recorder/dp/B079P9QSXM/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

As a long time user of the Roland R-05 I was excited for the R-07 as it appeared to be a better version with more features. Having used the R-07 for a number of days now and tinkering with settings and a couple of different MicroSD cards I am ready to share some of my thoughts. If you have an R-05 then you probably don't need this unit unless you want something lighter that allows the use of a remote and a much more obvious standby and recording light display. That said, there are some negatives with this new unit that you should be made aware of. The feature I was most looking forward to was USB bus power. No more batteries while recording at home was very promising. But it wasn't to be. Every single time I plugged the cable(s) in to run the R-07 on bus power it also recorded a terrible clicking sound. This does not happen when using batteries to power the device. Yes, using bus power means that your recordings will be useless. Also, despite changing different settings, I could never seem to get transfer speeds from the R-07 to my computer to speed up to those I get with my R-05. The difference? The R-7 would transfer files at around 700kb/s while the R-05 transfers files at 2MB/s. In layman's terms, that means that files transfer to my computer more than twice as fast with the R-05. How does this new recorder get two stars instead of five? By feeling like a step back in some ways that it shouldn't. Perhaps if they release an update to fix these issues it might be worth picking up, but until then I would say it either wasn't ready for release, not properly tested, or it is a bit of a dud. I contacted Roland hoping to find some solutions or at least get some answers or provide feedback but they never answered my calls or called me back. I may just have to return this.

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #163 on: May 13, 2018, 08:31:30 PM »
How about Olympus LS-P4?

Somebody has able to compare Olympus LS-P4 vs Roland R-07 in terms of internal mics (built-in mics)?


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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #164 on: May 14, 2018, 05:39:41 PM »
How about Olympus LS-P4?

Somebody has able to compare Olympus LS-P4 vs Roland R-07 in terms of internal mics (built-in mics)?

I do own a LS-P2 but I just broke my fresh Roland R-07 built-in mics before any comparison,
now my R-07 have around 6db difference of it's left and right channel, well.... :banging head:

 

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