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Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« on: March 07, 2018, 11:00:45 AM »
https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-10m

https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-10m/feature-comparison


The MixPre-10M musician's feature set includes:

    Overdubbing – including Punch In/Out
    Track Laying – up to 12 tracks
    Bouncing - to allow for more tracks
    Premium Quality Effects – Vintage Reverbs & Vocal Air
    Metronome
    Render (Export) – for sharing files

 
For existing MixPre-6 and MixPre-10T users: Sound Devices will soon be releasing a studio-grade Musician Plugin adding a new dimension of recording capabilities to the already versatile devices. For $99, the Musician Plugin will feature all the musician-inspired features, including overdub, track laying, reverb, metronome and more.

“Sound Devices has a rich heritage of employees who are also musicians – so the MixPre-10M is truly a product designed by musicians for musicians,” says Matt Anderson, CEO of Sound Devices, LLC. “It’s an incredible device that simplifies songwriting and production to allow musicians to focus solely on creating and recording music the way it was before computers took over. With built-in overdub, metronome, and effects like premium-quality reverb and vocal air, the travel-size MixPre-10M gives musicians the ability to record 12 tracks anywhere inspiration hits – from a tour bus, backstage, to a hotel room or live performance.”

The MixPre-10M retails for $1499 and will be available in late March...


« Last Edit: March 07, 2018, 11:41:08 AM by sos »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 12:04:42 PM »
I guess I don't get it.  Is this basically the 10T with the timecode stripped out and some mixing features added back for a price that is cheaper than the 10T?  What does "audio projects only" mean?  There is no user guide posted yet.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 12:17:48 PM »
https://www.gothamsound.com/product/mixpre-10m-recorder?utm_source=Gotham+Gazette&utm_campaign=25c56db96a-WaveTower+MixPre-10M&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cbb4c598a-25c56db96a-204845090

The Sound Device MixPre-10M is a ten-input/twelve track recorder with excellent Kashmir preamps specially designed for musicians.

In addition to most of the same great features as the rest of the MixPre recorder line (excluding time code), it features the ability to simultaneously record, playback, mix, monitor, layer, and overdub up to 12 tracks with a bounce feature to free up additional tracks. Other features include vintage reverb and vocal air effects, metronome, punch in and out, and the ability to insert and locate to cue points.

The MixPre-10M retails for $1499 and will be available in late March.

A separately sold plug-in will be available in April to add the additional features to a MixPre-6 or 10T.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 01:01:05 PM »
The 10T has time code which I do not necessarily need and costs $1,800.

The 10M has mix, monitor, layer, and overdub up to 12 tracks, which I do not necessarily need and costs $1,400.

Why wouldn't I just sell my Mixpre-6 and get a 10M so I have 8 XLR/TRS inputs instead of 4?  It is only a $400 delta.

I have to see what they mean by "Audi Projects Only".
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 03:21:06 PM »
I have to see what they mean by "Audi Projects Only".
My guess is that this is referring to the lack of timecode on the 10M.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2018, 05:23:52 PM »
I just posted all of this in the 10T thread before noticing this had its own thread here.  (I posted it there because the M and T are almost the same exact thing.  The removal of TC is the only hardware difference from what I can see; the big differences are different firmware.)

Here's an info page from TAI:
myemail.constantcontact.com/Introducing-the-MixPre-10M-from-Sound-Devices.html

The main differences are added overdubbing and effects onboard, and the deletion of TC capability and HDMI triggering.

Price will be $1499, so $300 less than the 10T.  They will sell the software as a plugin for the MixPre-6 and -10T units for $99.

Here's a video overview with Paul Isaacs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEvI5Xz0gJE

Gearslutz discussion thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-in-acoustic-music-and-location-recording/1205471-sound-devices-announces-mixpre-10m-quot-musicians-quot.html

I asked them on Twitter about what hardware differences exists between the 10T and 10M other than the removal of TC, and they just told me to compare the specs.  Obviously I had done that already.  Perhaps they would have been a bit more forthcoming via email.
https://twitter.com/sounddevices/status/971420075470225409

The feature comparison page for the MixPre series shows that the 10M has more options for channel linking than the 10T. 
Comparing the specs pages also shows that the 10M will not record at the 47.952 kHz or 48.048 kHz sample rates the 10T is capable of.
The 10M writes Poly WAV, Mono WAV, or AAC depending on the project type, whereas 10T writes Poly BWAV only.
I don't see any other differences other than the aforementioned removal of TC and HDMI, and of course the different firmware.


My takeaway: If you don't need TC, now you can get what is otherwise the same unit as the 10T for $300 less, and that's the most attractive thing for us here.  I think the overdubbing is a nice addition for mobile multitracking, but I am always against "baking in" effects on a recording in case you change your mind later.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 05:54:22 PM »
https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-10m/feature-comparison

Seems timecode in (no timecode reader whatsoever), metadata editing, Wingman app, and camera return are all a bit crippled in some manner or another in comparison.

Oh well, that 100% killed my interest in the MixPre10M.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 06:23:15 PM »
I’m waiting for a Mix Pre 2. :yack:

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 06:33:33 PM »
Written up my thoughts at the end of my new blog post:

http://ironfilm.co.nz/sound-devices-mixpre10m-announced-a-mixpre10t-without-the-t-for-musicians/

In short, this is not the recorder I'm seeking.

However it is still good news for SD users in general.


I’m waiting for a Mix Pre 2. :yack:

MixPre3 too much for you? :-P
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2018, 09:21:00 PM »
The 10M is squarely aimed at music production and musicians - building songs using track laying and overdubbing. All the key features of a DAW but without the need for a computer, audio interface, controller etc. Great for capturing and building songs with super high quality just like the way it used to be done but with the advantages of digital, non-destructive tech. There is a mode for field recording too - pretty cool, but this is for musicians, especially those who find the complexities of DAWs being stifling to their creativity.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 06:55:27 AM »
The 10M is squarely aimed at music production and musicians - building songs using track laying and overdubbing. All the key features of a DAW but without the need for a computer, audio interface, controller etc. Great for capturing and building songs with super high quality just like the way it used to be done but with the advantages of digital, non-destructive tech. There is a mode for field recording too - pretty cool, but this is for musicians, especially those who find the complexities of DAWs being stifling to their creativity.

Paul

this is a nice offering.  $300 cheaper (Live Music tapers don't need TC anyway...)

any hope for a MixPre-10LM (Live Music)?  it would be nice to have a set up tailored to our needs (variable gain structures, hold function, pre-record, stealth/lights out mode, mono tracks, stereo pairs, level metering display zoom, spdif input)
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 08:28:19 AM »
The 10M is squarely aimed at music production and musicians - building songs using track laying and overdubbing. All the key features of a DAW but without the need for a computer, audio interface, controller etc. Great for capturing and building songs with super high quality just like the way it used to be done but with the advantages of digital, non-destructive tech. There is a mode for field recording too - pretty cool, but this is for musicians, especially those who find the complexities of DAWs being stifling to their creativity.

Paul

Hi Paul,

One of the missing features for me in the MixPre series has been the lack of an easy way of scrubbing the recording, or of simply going into fast forward or rewind with any control. Would it be possible to add these buttons to the Wingman app? Otherwise, doing overdubs where you need to quickly review for example a short guitar insert, would be a nightmare on the present clumsy interface of the MixPre. I'd rather work on a DAW.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 08:37:34 AM »
^The larger view offered by a DAW computer screen is essential to replacing short sections of music. 

Why, why, why did SD put Bluetooth control in these units instead of giving us the ability to use ethernet/ external router wifi control that would have allowed control from a greater distance? 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 08:40:19 AM »
Written up my thoughts at the end of my new blog post:

http://ironfilm.co.nz/sound-devices-mixpre10m-announced-a-mixpre10t-without-the-t-for-musicians/

In short, this is not the recorder I'm seeking.

However it is still good news for SD users in general.


I’m waiting for a Mix Pre 2. :yack:

MixPre3 too much for you? :-P

Very few tapers run 3 channels and many will never run 4 or more. So a 2 would be cool.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10M
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2018, 09:32:06 AM »
^The larger view offered by a DAW computer screen is essential to replacing short sections of music. 


Many have worked on multi-track tape recorders where the vu meter, the tape counter, and your ears were enough to insert a particular section. But the ability to "rock and roll" the tape quickly back & forth with the FF and RW buttons was truly essential.
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