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Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« on: May 03, 2018, 12:17:20 PM »
At the moment I'm an AKG guy. I mainly record club shows (300-1,500 capacity) but also bigger outdoor shows (10,000-35,000 capacity). I love my CK63 in both these situations. They have a lot of presence and a right in your face kind of sound. I'm only doing stealth jobs and my gear is AKG CK61/63 > Nbob actives > Nbox Platinum ABS > Sony PCM-M10. Music I mostly tape are loud rock and metal shows.

I consider to join the Schoeps club but I'm not sure it's the correct microphones for what I do. As the AKG CK63 (Hypers) are my most used capsules I believe Schoeps MK41 (Supers) would be what I'm looking for? I'm not very found of the CK61 (Cardioids) and I guess MK4 (Cardioids) are comparable to those?

Would you recommend MK41 for what I do? I have listened to some samples on Dime but couldn't find any that made me sing Hallelujah of great joy. I know Shoeps are delicious, just can't decide if they are for me or not. Would really like some of your opinions here. Thanks!
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2018, 12:23:40 PM »
I record a decent amount of metal as well, 99% of which is stealth (even for bands that give the okay to record, it just doesn't feel like the right environment for a mic stand).  FWIW, I don't feel like any of the mics I've used for metal shows are ideal.  I really want to try the AT853 subcards though.  The AT853 cards can give some good results, and some extra low end with the subcards would likely be great.  The point of this digression is just that I don't feel like I have the "silver bullet" mics for metal shows.

Since choice of mics is highly personal, I'm very curious why you want to move to Schoeps.  I know they are among the best quality microphones available, and a lot of people love them, but why do you think they'd be better than the CK63s for you?  At least for me, I have little to no interest in Schoeps because, for the music I typically record, I am just not a huge fan of their sound.  Again, that's just the subjective personal part though.  Objectively they are top quality mics.  So what is it that you feel is lacking in your CK63s, and what is it you feel Schoeps would bring to the table for you?
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2018, 12:28:39 PM »
I used AKG for many years and now I use Schoeps MK41. The Schoeps definitely have a darker, more subdued high end response compared to AKG (which have a hyped presence to the treble range). They are very forgiving in not so great sounding rooms.

Maybe consider MBHO hypercardioids? They are much less expensive than Schoeps and Nick makes active collettes for them now so you would be able to use them with your Nbox. New KA500 capsules plus active cables would be around $1000 US so the whole setup would be less than a used pair of MK41 capsules alone.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2018, 12:39:13 PM »
I used AKG for many years and now I use Schoeps MK41. The Schoeps definitely have a darker, more subdued high end response compared to AKG (which have a hyped presence to the treble range). They are very forgiving in not so great sounding rooms.

Maybe consider MBHO hypercardioids? They are much less expensive than Schoeps and Nick makes active collettes for them now so you would be able to use them with your Nbox. New KA500 capsules plus active cables would be around $1000 US so the whole setup would be less than a used pair of MK41 capsules alone.

Ditto from a former mbho owner, Cards are very forgiving. Can't go wrong with 41s ever if you can swing the cost. Great up close great at a distance and also very forgiving in bad rooms.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2018, 12:42:22 PM »
Speaking of MBHOs, you might want to check in with SxPxDxCx.  He records a LOT of metal and I believe MBHOs are his go-to mics.  For example: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=185468.0
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2018, 12:48:05 PM »
So what is it that you feel is lacking in your CK63s, and what is it you feel Schoeps would bring to the table for you?

I really like my CK63 capsules but they are bit too crisp in the 4-8K frequencies. I also think they sound a bit more "compressed" over all than Schoeps recordings I have heard. Schoeps seems to be a bit warmer. I also like that Schoeps are available as a matched pair, which AKG is not.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2018, 12:49:09 PM »
Maybe consider MBHO hypercardioids? They are much less expensive than Schoeps and Nick makes active collettes for them now so you would be able to use them with your Nbox. New KA500 capsules plus active cables would be around $1000 US so the whole setup would be less than a used pair of MK41 capsules alone.
I need to check out some MBHO samples. Thanks for the advice. :)
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2018, 12:57:47 PM »
Can't go wrong with 41s ever if you can swing the cost. Great up close great at a distance and also very forgiving in bad rooms.
I have listened to a few rock and metal recordings made with MK41. They sound a bit distant and the midrange is very prominent. Not sure if it's because the venues/recording positions or if it is actually the capsules. Is this something you know are common for MK41? I know I get pretty much presence when using my CK63. Unfortunately it's not easy to find nice MK41 samples with metal music.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2018, 02:37:27 PM »
Sent a PM regarding something else O/T but thought I'd share here with everybody since I've owned CK61/CK63's with Naiant Actives _and_ MK41's with nBob actives.

I found the CK61's always a bit murky for my liking.  The CK63's had a crispness with what they captured in the best room but weren't forgiving.  The MK41's always seemed to cut through the crap the most and capture solid recordings.  If money is no object, these are worth looking at, because you'll never be let down by them; only let down by the room you're recording in.  I'm sure somebody here has some samples easily available of hard rock/metal shows and MK41s...

The MK41's are also lighter weight than the CK6x's as well. 

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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 04:29:19 PM »
Sent a PM regarding something else O/T but thought I'd share here with everybody since I've owned CK61/CK63's with Naiant Actives _and_ MK41's with nBob actives.

I found the CK61's always a bit murky for my liking.  The CK63's had a crispness with what they captured in the best room but weren't forgiving.  The MK41's always seemed to cut through the crap the most and capture solid recordings.  If money is no object, these are worth looking at, because you'll never be let down by them; only let down by the room you're recording in.  I'm sure somebody here has some samples easily available of hard rock/metal shows and MK41s...

The MK41's are also lighter weight than the CK6x's as well.

I agree with you regarding CK61 and 63 but the 63's are more forgiving than the 61's.

I would love to hear some nice rock and metal recording done with MK41. I hope someone here can guide me to some nice samples.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 04:30:21 PM »
I'd advise using the vertical versions of schoeps capsules, especially when  >:D is required.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 04:31:04 PM »
I have listened to a few rock and metal recordings made with MK41. They sound a bit distant and the midrange is very prominent. Not sure if it's because the venues/recording positions or if it is actually the capsules. Is this something you know are common for MK41? I know I get pretty much presence when using my CK63. Unfortunately it's not easy to find nice MK41 samples with metal music.

Check out some HO recordings, Goldilocks.  There are generally considered by many to be somewhere in the middle in terms of timbre, a more crisp presence than the Schoeps but not as much as the AKG's.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2018, 05:11:25 PM »
I'd advise using the vertical versions of schoeps capsules, especially when  >:D is required.

Vertical?

Check out some HO recordings, Goldilocks.  There are generally considered by many to be somewhere in the middle in terms of timbre, a more crisp presence than the Schoeps but not as much as the AKG's.

Sorry, I'm lost here. Please tell me more.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2018, 05:13:26 PM »
Vertical meaning the MK41V.  Think of the capsule sitting on its side...
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Re: Schoeps MK41 for small clubs and loud metal music?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2018, 05:58:18 PM »
Check out some HO recordings, Goldilocks.  There are generally considered by many to be somewhere in the middle in terms of timbre, a more crisp presence than the Schoeps but not as much as the AKG's.

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