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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #300 on: September 11, 2018, 06:31:08 PM »
For a typically two band gig I use a battery sled with 8 AA rechangables. I use whatever card I have with no issue.  Guess I’m just lucky.

I have also been using the 8 AA sled with Eneloop Pros. Full levels even after a souncheck, opener and main act (two phantom channels and two soundboard channels, plus the mix). And some playback on the train home. I originally bought the 8 battery sled as an interim measure, while I figured out the best powering scheme, but I haven't felt the need to change that up yet. This post from SD may be informative with respect to this, although I think I probably get better run times with the Eneloops...

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #301 on: September 12, 2018, 08:10:42 AM »
Well, it’s good to hear that it is a card failure.

However, I personally would rather physically mail the card to someone at Sound Devices (Nelson? Yes, you, Nelson. I’m looking at you) so they could check it out, send you a replacement, and keep track of who you are. Let’s say the card checks out perfectly well. Then maybe it might wind up being your deck (or some third explanation). But if you send it into your dealer and eventually it gets checked out by SD and nothing wrong is found, then how are they going to tell you that?
naw, the card is fucked, it won't be refurbished, it doesn't even read properly every time now.


I left a folder on it, named with my email & phone number and a request for contact, if someone actually looks at the card testing it.
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My problem now is that I don't know if I can trust the other card I got from the same supplier in the same order!?!

As far as I'm aware, we have not had a single Sound Devices SD card failure - that's not to say it is not possible, after all electronics, like anything else can fail - fact of life.
We'd be very interested to take a look at this card. Please contact Tech Support, mention that I suggested we take a look and they'll advise how to proceed. Many thanks.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #302 on: September 12, 2018, 08:15:45 AM »
“Sound Devices recorders have been used for Ambisonics field recording for many years, so it was a natural progression for us to bring our MixPre recorders into the new world of VR 360 recording,” said Matt Anderson, CEO of Sound Devices. “We are happy to partner with Sennheiser to provide a high-quality VR recording and monitoring option for our MixPre-6 and MixPre-10T customers.”


Support for the free Ambisonics plugin is a key feature of the MixPre version 3.00 Firmware, a free update being demoed at the show. The highly anticipated version 3.00 also enhances the user experience with all MixPre recorders by supporting full integration with four third-party USB fader controllers: Korg’s NanoKontrol Studio and NanoKontrol2, Novation’s LaunchControlXL, and Akai’s Midimix. The new firmware also introduces wireless remote transport control and monitoring of MixPre M models from iOS or Android mobile devices via the Wingman app.

Well, that is stupid.  Why not just make the transport control device wide instead of just the M models?  How long have we been asking for more features in the Wingman app?

Not stupid. The Classic MixPre models (non-M models) already have this functionality. v3.00 firmware brings this same bluetooth wireless remote control to the M-models ... for free.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #303 on: September 12, 2018, 09:27:45 AM »
My problem now is that I don't know if I can trust the other card I got from the same supplier in the same order!?!

As far as I'm aware, we have not had a single Sound Devices SD card failure - that's not to say it is not possible, after all electronics, like anything else can fail - fact of life.
We'd be very interested to take a look at this card. Please contact Tech Support, mention that I suggested we take a look and they'll advise how to proceed. Many thanks.


The problem in this cases is, sometimes dealers won't forward defective units to the manufacturers. 15 years ago I had a really serious situation with a manufacturer of microwave links. Several units failed in sequence. Several months later I learned that the idiot dealer had not sent the broken units to the manufacturer citing "local policy" despite having been told to ship them back to the manufacturer by the fastest means possible.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #304 on: September 12, 2018, 09:35:48 AM »
Indeed, this is far from stupid, and makes the (less expensive) "m" series fully appropriate for "what we do."

Any chance the wingman app will eventually be able to change gain? I love it and use it for monitoring, but to change levels, one still needs to user the actual knobs....

“Sound Devices recorders have been used for Ambisonics field recording for many years, so it was a natural progression for us to bring our MixPre recorders into the new world of VR 360 recording,” said Matt Anderson, CEO of Sound Devices. “We are happy to partner with Sennheiser to provide a high-quality VR recording and monitoring option for our MixPre-6 and MixPre-10T customers.”


Support for the free Ambisonics plugin is a key feature of the MixPre version 3.00 Firmware, a free update being demoed at the show. The highly anticipated version 3.00 also enhances the user experience with all MixPre recorders by supporting full integration with four third-party USB fader controllers: Korg’s NanoKontrol Studio and NanoKontrol2, Novation’s LaunchControlXL, and Akai’s Midimix. The new firmware also introduces wireless remote transport control and monitoring of MixPre M models from iOS or Android mobile devices via the Wingman app.

Well, that is stupid.  Why not just make the transport control device wide instead of just the M models?  How long have we been asking for more features in the Wingman app?

Not stupid. The Classic MixPre models (non-M models) already have this functionality. v3.00 firmware brings this same bluetooth wireless remote control to the M-models ... for free.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #305 on: September 12, 2018, 10:14:25 AM »
Indeed, this is far from stupid, and makes the (less expensive) "m" series fully appropriate for "what we do."

Any chance the wingman app will eventually be able to change gain? I love it and use it for monitoring, but to change levels, one still needs to user the actual knobs....

“Sound Devices recorders have been used for Ambisonics field recording for many years, so it was a natural progression for us to bring our MixPre recorders into the new world of VR 360 recording,” said Matt Anderson, CEO of Sound Devices. “We are happy to partner with Sennheiser to provide a high-quality VR recording and monitoring option for our MixPre-6 and MixPre-10T customers.”


Support for the free Ambisonics plugin is a key feature of the MixPre version 3.00 Firmware, a free update being demoed at the show. The highly anticipated version 3.00 also enhances the user experience with all MixPre recorders by supporting full integration with four third-party USB fader controllers: Korg’s NanoKontrol Studio and NanoKontrol2, Novation’s LaunchControlXL, and Akai’s Midimix. The new firmware also introduces wireless remote transport control and monitoring of MixPre M models from iOS or Android mobile devices via the Wingman app.

Well, that is stupid.  Why not just make the transport control device wide instead of just the M models?  How long have we been asking for more features in the Wingman app?

Not stupid. The Classic MixPre models (non-M models) already have this functionality. v3.00 firmware brings this same bluetooth wireless remote control to the M-models ... for free.

Sounds like you two missed the point of my post.  Good luck.  I'll go back to lurking
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #306 on: September 12, 2018, 10:20:04 AM »
I guess I don’t understand your post.

You suggested that this wasn’t a platform wide upgrade. But it is.

What were you trying to say?

Indeed, this is far from stupid, and makes the (less expensive) "m" series fully appropriate for "what we do."

Any chance the wingman app will eventually be able to change gain? I love it and use it for monitoring, but to change levels, one still needs to user the actual knobs....

“Sound Devices recorders have been used for Ambisonics field recording for many years, so it was a natural progression for us to bring our MixPre recorders into the new world of VR 360 recording,” said Matt Anderson, CEO of Sound Devices. “We are happy to partner with Sennheiser to provide a high-quality VR recording and monitoring option for our MixPre-6 and MixPre-10T customers.”


Support for the free Ambisonics plugin is a key feature of the MixPre version 3.00 Firmware, a free update being demoed at the show. The highly anticipated version 3.00 also enhances the user experience with all MixPre recorders by supporting full integration with four third-party USB fader controllers: Korg’s NanoKontrol Studio and NanoKontrol2, Novation’s LaunchControlXL, and Akai’s Midimix. The new firmware also introduces wireless remote transport control and monitoring of MixPre M models from iOS or Android mobile devices via the Wingman app.

Well, that is stupid.  Why not just make the transport control device wide instead of just the M models?  How long have we been asking for more features in the Wingman app?

Not stupid. The Classic MixPre models (non-M models) already have this functionality. v3.00 firmware brings this same bluetooth wireless remote control to the M-models ... for free.

Sounds like you two missed the point of my post.  Good luck.  I'll go back to lurking
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Preamps:    Schoeps VMS 02iub, Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #307 on: September 12, 2018, 12:01:31 PM »
Well, it’s good to hear that it is a card failure.

However, I personally would rather physically mail the card to someone at Sound Devices (Nelson? Yes, you, Nelson. I’m looking at you) so they could check it out, send you a replacement, and keep track of who you are. Let’s say the card checks out perfectly well. Then maybe it might wind up being your deck (or some third explanation). But if you send it into your dealer and eventually it gets checked out by SD and nothing wrong is found, then how are they going to tell you that?
naw, the card is fucked, it won't be refurbished, it doesn't even read properly every time now.


I left a folder on it, named with my email & phone number and a request for contact, if someone actually looks at the card testing it.
 :help:


My problem now is that I don't know if I can trust the other card I got from the same supplier in the same order!?!

As far as I'm aware, we have not had a single Sound Devices SD card failure - that's not to say it is not possible, after all electronics, like anything else can fail - fact of life.
We'd be very interested to take a look at this card. Please contact Tech Support, mention that I suggested we take a look and they'll advise how to proceed. Many thanks.

Paul Isaacs

Thanks Paul. It’s good to hear an actual response from someone within the company and not the type of hanging-around-the-bubbler-chatting type of speculation about lower quality control, entire batches of cards not working, etc etc
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #308 on: September 13, 2018, 05:59:47 AM »
As far as I'm aware, we have not had a single Sound Devices SD card failure - that's not to say it is not possible, after all electronics, like anything else can fail - fact of life.
We'd be very interested to take a look at this card. Please contact Tech Support, mention that I suggested we take a look and they'll advise how to proceed. Many thanks.

Paul Isaacs


Too late. Nelson at Sound Devices said to have the retailer replace it. I just got my replacement card in the mail from Location Sound in CA, they have the old hosed card.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #309 on: September 13, 2018, 11:43:59 AM »
“Sound Devices recorders have been used for Ambisonics field recording for many years, so it was a natural progression for us to bring our MixPre recorders into the new world of VR 360 recording,” said Matt Anderson, CEO of Sound Devices. “We are happy to partner with Sennheiser to provide a high-quality VR recording and monitoring option for our MixPre-6 and MixPre-10T customers.”


Support for the free Ambisonics plugin is a key feature of the MixPre version 3.00 Firmware, a free update being demoed at the show. The highly anticipated version 3.00 also enhances the user experience with all MixPre recorders by supporting full integration with four third-party USB fader controllers: Korg’s NanoKontrol Studio and NanoKontrol2, Novation’s LaunchControlXL, and Akai’s Midimix. The new firmware also introduces wireless remote transport control and monitoring of MixPre M models from iOS or Android mobile devices via the Wingman app.

Well, that is stupid.  Why not just make the transport control device wide instead of just the M models?  How long have we been asking for more features in the Wingman app?

Not stupid. The Classic MixPre models (non-M models) already have this functionality. v3.00 firmware brings this same bluetooth wireless remote control to the M-models ... for free.

Sorry Paul and Noah. I thought that M models already had Wingman functionality and when I saw the term "transport control" I figured it was more than just the simple 'Record' and 'Stop' functions.  I too would like to see more features added to the app, hence me blurting out that something was stupid.  I'll just crawl back over to my corner now.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #310 on: September 13, 2018, 06:29:29 PM »
It would be neat if you could use the Wingman app to monitor levels, but not allow the app to stop your recording.


Either READ ONLY mode or a lock "switch" would do the trick.


Haha, I just realized that I could have really made use of the Wingman app this summer if I had not been scared that it would stop my recordings! It's a good idea.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #311 on: September 15, 2018, 04:20:29 PM »
Some good news from IBC :)

Pre record buffer for the MixPres (5 seconds for the 3 and 6, 10 seconds for the 10T)

Full Ambisonics support with some really good features such as direct conversion to binaural.

Controller support for several fader packs from Novation, Korg and Akai.

https://vimeo.com/290032752

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #312 on: September 16, 2018, 03:15:30 AM »
It really would be so useful to be able to adjust levels from the Wingman app!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #313 on: September 16, 2018, 04:26:57 PM »
Some good news from IBC :)

Pre record buffer for the MixPres (5 seconds for the 3 and 6, 10 seconds for the 10T)

Full Ambisonics support with some really good features such as direct conversion to binaural.

Controller support for several fader packs from Novation, Korg and Akai.

https://vimeo.com/290032752

The buffers should really be 3 seconds for the MixPre 3, 6 seconds for the 6, and 10 seconds for the 10. Then people would feel like they are getting a little something extra for buying the next size up. Plus it would be easier to remember. 🤔
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #314 on: September 16, 2018, 05:15:32 PM »
Some good news from IBC :)

Pre record buffer for the MixPres (5 seconds for the 3 and 6, 10 seconds for the 10T)

Full Ambisonics support with some really good features such as direct conversion to binaural.

Controller support for several fader packs from Novation, Korg and Akai.

https://vimeo.com/290032752


The buffers should really be 3 seconds for the MixPre 3, 6 seconds for the 6, and 10 seconds for the 10. Then people would feel like they are getting a little something extra for buying the next size up. Plus it would be easier to remember. 🤔

5 seconds will be great. I often need a couple extra seconds when I'm near the recorder, and not watching it when the band walks on stage.
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