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Hey now,

So, I'm replacing some beat schoeps windscreens, and am not quite sure why the b5d windscreens are so much more expensive.  Can someone please explain to me the extra features they have other the standard solid schoeps solid foam pop screen.  Is the b5d just better protection from wind?

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Re: stoopid question: dif in schoeps b5d vs. standard windscreens
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2018, 09:26:17 AM »
Hey man. Theres these that are knock offs, theres a thread about it somewhere.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Pop-Filter-Foam-Windscreen-for-SCHOEPS-CCM4UG-Broadcast-TV-Conference-Mic/222536419795?hash=item33d03449d3:g:X9EAAOSwmfhX7iNB
These are just foam and the bd5 had a plastic membrane on the inside of the foam that makes them more rigid/resistant to wind. Thats just from what i gather from the thread a lil while ago. Those knock offs are ok inside but dont do much in the way of any breeze. I have a couple and like someone said in the other thread, good enough to keep caps in a bag safe.
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Re: stoopid question: dif in schoeps b5d vs. standard windscreens
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2018, 05:36:58 PM »
First, let me point out that the B 5 D was designed to solve a very specific problem, and it is not necessarily the ideal solution to other problems. The problem was a scheduled outdoor concert by "The Three Tenors" that Decca wanted to record live, then release as a video and a CD. So they needed a modest amount of general windscreening for the mikes (the performers were all under a canopy roof, and the wind currents near them were quite limited), but very effective on-axis pop screening. Plus the screens needed to be small enough not to block the cameras' or the audience's view of the singers' faces.

The B 5 D has a soft plastic "seat" that the capsule slides into; in front of that there's an air chamber within the foam. The still air within this chamber gives greatly improved suppression of popping sounds (and other breath noise) than an equivalent amount of foam would do, plus it doesn't interfere with the pattern or frequency response of the capsule.

I'm no expert on wind and pop screens, but I wouldn't assume that the B 5 D was an ideal choice for any application other than the one it was designed for. It is a type of "close-talking guard" (B = "Bespechungsschutz") designed to resist air blasts from one direction only; it is not a windscreen; Schoeps' windscreens have part names that start with W (= "Windschutz").

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P.S.: In the photo, the capsules are mounted on thin active extension tubes. These work the same way as Colette active extension cables, except that they're mechanically rigid overall, with an angle adjustment at the capsule end. The microphone amplifier screws on to the other end of the tube, and the whole capsule+tube+amplifier assembly is (in this application) coupled to a vertical rod that extends from a circular, flat-bottomed floor stand. A foam pad underneath the base of the stand isolates it from vibrations in the stage floor.

(I'm a little surprised that no one else here seems to use these extension tubes for live recording. There's even a stereo version that's designed for M/S recording.)
« Last Edit: September 21, 2018, 05:50:48 PM by DSatz »
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Re: stoopid question: dif in schoeps b5d vs. standard windscreens
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2018, 08:28:42 PM »
I'm a little surprised that no one else here seems to use these extension tubes for live recording.

Schoeps accessories are ridiculously expensive. That's why our little corner of the world has a vendor who sells compatible active cables and preamps that cost a fraction of the name brand stuff. 
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