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Offline Jerseyguy57

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Recording
« on: August 17, 2018, 09:25:45 AM »
I'm buying a Tascam DR-05 with a set of cardioid mics with a battery box that has bass roll off. This will be my first foray into stealth recording. Any ideas about setting recording levels, bass roll off? I will be sitting withing the first 10 rows. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Recording
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 10:30:27 AM »

Don't use the built in bass roll off especially with small cardioid mics. You can do it later with software if it's needed.
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Re: Recording
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 10:54:28 AM »
What mics are you buying and what kind of music are you recording ?
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Re: Recording
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 02:09:56 PM »
The first show will be a jazz group. The 2nd show will be a rock and blues show. The mics will be the SP-CMC-2's.

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Re: Recording
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2018, 03:29:43 PM »
If you have the time, bring headphones, and go record something you don't care about.


Talk into the mics as you set levels. Call out your level changes, then go listen back. If it's convenient, go outside and listen, or wait for set break and do more experimenting.


If you don't have time to get to a real venue and try it with a band or DJ, you can use your home stereo, set to moderately loud volume. Try to simulate what you expect to hear from your location at the show you want to record.


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Re: Recording
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 07:24:37 AM »
The first show will be a jazz group. The 2nd show will be a rock and blues show. The mics will be the SP-CMC-2's.

Definitely no bass roll-off with cardioïds.
SP-CMC-2's (Audio Technica AT831) are great mics. I've heard a bunch of enjoiable recordings made with them. Do you have the standard configuration or the high SPL versions ?

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The standard configuration comes with the two microphone cables terminated together into standard stereo gold plated 1/8" (3.5mm) mini plug. The high SPL versions (with XLR phantom plugs or with the AT8532 power modules) come with each mic on separate cable and connector.

The standard configuration might get you a distorted recording at loud SPL concerts.
If the blues/rock band you want to tape has huge sound, better not stand too close to the speakers...
Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
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Re: Recording
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 08:34:46 PM »
Mine will be standard configuration. The jazz show I will be fairly close but the other show I'll be back further.

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Re: Recording
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2018, 10:03:27 AM »
When hooking everything up, the mics plug into the ugly box and that plugs into mics/ ext in on the Tascam DR-05?

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Re: Recording
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2018, 04:34:21 PM »
what morst said. Try the system out on some similar shows in similar venues, will help you hone it in. If the musicians are amenable to taping, ask them if they can help you set your levels early (have them play the loudest parts that they will do, then set your levels to just under clippy there. BTW, if noone said, record in 24 bit and it can be boosted in post without hiss

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Re: Recording
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2018, 04:50:18 PM »
When hooking everything up, the mics plug into the ugly box and that plugs into mics/ ext in on the Tascam DR-05?

Yep.  An important thing is getting a good input level setting on both the CA-UGLY and DR-05.  This is called gain-staging.

If using a CA-UGLY V1 (which has only two small trimmer pots providing a gain adjustment range between mute and+20dB), start by turning the pots on the CA-UGLY all the way up and control recording levels using the input level control on the DR-05.

If using a CA-UGLY V2 (which features a rotary multi-position gain adjustment switch in addition to the trimmer pots, and has a gain adjustment range of between mute and+40dB), start by turning the trimmer pots on the CA-UGLY all the way up, set the rotary switch to the middle position, and control recording levels using the input level control on the DR-05.
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Re: Recording
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2018, 07:53:53 PM »
I have just the basic ugly battery box.

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Re: Recording
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2018, 08:52:38 PM »
I have just the basic ugly battery box.

A basic ugly box with bass rolloff? Wha?

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Re: Recording
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2018, 10:44:04 PM »
The Church Audio UBB 9V battery box. Just a basic power source for the mics. No roll off.

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Re: Recording
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2018, 11:12:43 PM »
The Church Audio UBB 9V battery box. Just a basic power source for the mics. No roll off.

Ah, misunderstood.

I'm not a DR-05 user, but this would seem to simplify things. Just mics > ugly box > DR-05, set the gain, and you're done. Though I would second the recommendation that you test out the whole system under real-world conditions if at all possible — can you possibly record during soundcheck, or an opening band, then listen back before the main set?

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Re: Recording
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2018, 09:28:35 AM »
Yes. That simplifies things significantly for you.

Microphones > battery-box > Microphone-input on recorder

And only a single point of gain adjustment- on the recorder itself.
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