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Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« on: September 11, 2018, 12:08:25 PM »
Does 24/96. About 4" x 2.5 " in size.

https://www.lectrosonics.com/US/SPDR-Stereo-Personal-Digital-Recorder/product.html

Expensive but very pocketable.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 12:33:30 PM »
Looks like this can do analog or digital stereo inputs, which is awesome.  MSRP is $1,495.  We need more small recorders with digital inputs, but that's quite a price tag.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 12:33:56 PM »
DESCRIPTION  SPECIFICATIONS
SPECIFICATIONS

Recording   
Storage media:   MicroSD (HC type)
File format:   .wav files (BWF) iXML metadata
A/D converter:   24-bit
Sampling rate:   48 kHz or 96 kHz
Recording modes/Bit rate:   
Input   
Type:   
Analog mic/line level compatible; servo bias preamp for 2V and 4V lavaliere microphones
Input 1 is switchable to AES3 two channel digital.
Input level:   
Dynamic mic: 0.5 mV to 50 mV
Electret mic: Nominal 2 mV to 300 mV
Line level: 17 mV to 1.7 V
Input connector:   TA5M 5-pin male
Headphone Output   
Connector:   3.5 mm mini jack; TRS
Maximum level:   -3 dBu (575 mV RMS)
Audio Performance   
Frequency response:   20 Hz to 20 kHz; +0.5/-1.5 dB
Dynamic range:   110 dB (A), before limiting
Distortion:   < 0.035%
Time Code   
Connector:   5-pin LEMO
Signal voltage:   0.5V p-p to 5V p-p
Input impedance:   10 k Ohms
Format:   SMPTE 12M – 1999 compliant
Battery Power/Life   
Battery type:   AA Lithium non-rechargeable (recommended)
Battery life:   20 hours typical at 48kHz sample rate(AA Lithium)
External Power:   
Input voltage:   6-17 VDC
Input current:   75 mA max @ 12 VDC (96 kHz recording)
Connector:   2.5mm coaxial connector, center pin positive
Operating Temperature Range   
Celsius:   -20 to 50
Fahrenheit:   -4 to 122
Dimensions and Weight   
Dimensions:   Inches: 3.9 H x 2.38 W x .82D
Millimeters:   99.06 H x 60.45 W x 20.83 D
Weight:   5.7 ozs. (162 grams) w/ AA lithium batteries (without belt clip)
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 01:47:22 PM »

Adding digital input and timecode adds quite a lot to the cost of a recorder. This looks like it's aimed at film and/or TV recordists.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 03:04:44 PM »
Would really dig it if they'd offer a similar sized version capable of recording 6 to 8 channels.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 09:58:33 PM »
Would really dig it if they'd offer a similar sized version capable of recording 6 to 8 channels.

Price would probably be scaled to match.  They make first class gear, but it is priced accordingly for the pro market.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2018, 01:40:10 AM »
I work in film, so maybe this is more exciting to me than most, but this is a dream machine. To get 2 channels of Lectrosonic quality with timecode for $1200 is amazing. I'll report back once I've recorded some shows with it.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 09:14:40 AM »
They make first class gear[..] priced accordingly for the pro market.

Lectrosonic quality

Yes indeed.

Interested to hear your thoughts after using it Tim.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 10:24:19 AM »
I work in film, so maybe this is more exciting to me than most, but this is a dream machine. To get 2 channels of Lectrosonic quality with timecode for $1200 is amazing. I'll report back once I've recorded some shows with it.

How would you say Lectrosonic quality of their preamps compares to Sound Devices?
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2018, 11:10:22 AM »

How would you say Lectrosonic quality of their preamps compares to Sound Devices?
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I would say they are quite comparable. There is a reason Lectrosonics dominates the wireless market, I'd guess the majority of the dialog audio you hear in movies and TV comes through Lectrosonics wireless, lav and boom, and this point. I say dialog because that's my main area of work, I haven't recorded live music with my wireless before, which is part of the reason I'm excited for this, but also I'm excited so I can have high quality recordings of nature ambience when I go backpacking.  I expect this to be similar to my wireless, transparent, low noise, and great dynamic range. Some things I like are that it will be difficult to accidentally stop recording, the safety track mode, and it's minimalism.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2018, 03:35:53 PM »
I'm excited so I can have high quality recordings of nature ambience when I go backpacking.  I expect this to be similar to my wireless, transparent, low noise, and great dynamic range. Some things I like are that it will be difficult to accidentally stop recording, the safety track mode, and it's minimalism.

I would want it for field recordings as well, not so much for music. In your line of work, I imagine a lot of people would be using SD recorders for dialog as well. Are they considered to be on a par with Lectrosonics in your industry?
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2018, 03:50:09 PM »
This with a stereo pair of DPA 4060 will make a killer rig for plants, ambiance and stealth music gigs.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2018, 03:59:58 PM »
This with five or seven DPA 4060 will make a killer rig stealth music gigs.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2018, 04:25:53 PM »
i'm not actually interested in this at all as i recently got a mixpre-6, but i am genuinely curious (not criticizing) -- how would the lack of XLR, 1/4" or 1/8" inputs translate to what we do? the sole input being TA5M 5-pin? maybe i'm just naive, but that seems like a hindrance for concert taping. i'm actually completely unfamiliar with that type of connector as none of my gear has ever had that.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 04:32:33 PM »
This with a stereo pair of DPA 4060 will make a killer rig for plants, ambiance and stealth music gigs.

I had the same thought. Pretty expensive, though, between the cost of the recorder and the microdot-to-lectrosonics adapters ($100 each). I wonder how it would compare soundwise to a d:vice and iPhone setup. The d:vice route could be quite a bit cheaper, particularly if you already use an iPhone or iPod.

[Edit to add: And, of course, you get a phone or music player if you go the d:vice route!]
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 04:34:25 PM »
i'm not actually interested in this at all as i recently got a mixpre-6, but i am genuinely curious (not criticizing) -- how would the lack of XLR, 1/4" or 1/8" inputs translate to what we do? the sole input being TA5M 5-pin? maybe i'm just naive, but that seems like a hindrance for concert taping. i'm actually completely unfamiliar with that type of connector as none of my gear has ever had that.

It's perfectly easy to make a dual xlr to TA5 cable.

I'd imagine that the new sonosax pre/ad> aes into this would be about as good a stealth rig as could be.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2018, 09:31:55 PM »
This with a stereo pair of DPA 4060 will make a killer rig for plants, ambiance and stealth music gigs.

dvice equals it at 1/3 of the cost

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2018, 06:47:11 AM »

I'd imagine that the new sonosax pre/ad> aes into this would be about as good a stealth rig as could be.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2018, 09:56:48 PM »

Adding digital input and timecode adds quite a lot to the cost of a recorder. This looks like it's aimed at film and/or TV recordists.

its the first bit bucket in that size since the garbage maudio microtrack


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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2018, 10:05:23 PM »
great match for schoeps CMR.

what you spend on recorder you save on AD and mic bodies

CMR wiring for Lectrosonics:

https://www.lectrosonics.com/Support/component/com_fsf/Itemid,714/tag,Wireless,%20Schoeps,%20CMR,%20mic,%20adapter,%20servo,%20input,%20amplifiers/view,faq

which doesnt happen to match anything in the manual

bummer it has a "rugged aluminum housing" with all the metal detectors these days
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2018, 01:41:25 PM »

Now that’s a consideration.  An alternate rig for my CMRs.  Thanks!


great match for schoeps CMR.

what you spend on recorder you save on AD and mic bodies

CMR wiring for Lectrosonics:

https://www.lectrosonics.com/Support/component/com_fsf/Itemid,714/tag,Wireless,%20Schoeps,%20CMR,%20mic,%20adapter,%20servo,%20input,%20amplifiers/view,faq

which doesnt happen to match anything in the manual

bummer it has a "rugged aluminum housing" with all the metal detectors these days
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2018, 01:12:49 AM »
Mine is on the way  ;D

I would want it for field recordings as well, not so much for music. In your line of work, I imagine a lot of people would be using SD recorders for dialog as well. Are they considered to be on a par with Lectrosonics in your industry?
In my experience most location sound people are using Sound Devices (personally I use Zaxcom though), and the way I have always seen Lectrosonic wireless being used is their pre into the line in. In news they usually use Lectrosonic receivers going directly into the camera (and broadcast cameras have a specific slot for that). This is a long way of saying that Lectrosonics sound very good.

i'm not actually interested in this at all as i recently got a mixpre-6, but i am genuinely curious (not criticizing) -- how would the lack of XLR, 1/4" or 1/8" inputs translate to what we do? the sole input being TA5M 5-pin? maybe i'm just naive, but that seems like a hindrance for concert taping. i'm actually completely unfamiliar with that type of connector as none of my gear has ever had that.
For sure this product is not aimed directly at tapers. But if you work in film/tv the TA5 is pretty much the standard for lav/bodypack wireless mics. It's a very robust connection, essentially a small XLR. Personally I already own lav mics that use the TA5, so it is perfect for me. I do agree that for anyone who doesn't already own the correct type of mics or has a specific need for this type of device it probably isn't of much interest.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2018, 01:14:57 AM »
This is a long way of saying that Lectrosonics sound very good.

im sure its HQ but something designed for voice may not be the best for music in all cases

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2018, 11:58:37 PM »
Mine is on the way  ;D

I would want it for field recordings as well, not so much for music. In your line of work, I imagine a lot of people would be using SD recorders for dialog as well. Are they considered to be on a par with Lectrosonics in your industry?
In my experience most location sound people are using Sound Devices (personally I use Zaxcom though), and the way I have always seen Lectrosonic wireless being used is their pre into the line in. In news they usually use Lectrosonic receivers going directly into the camera (and broadcast cameras have a specific slot for that). This is a long way of saying that Lectrosonics sound very good.



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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2018, 03:34:40 PM »
What is the level setting / level metering arrangement on this recorder? I only looked at the product description briefly, but it seemed to me as if it might require some trial and error.
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2018, 03:39:06 PM »
multi function indicator light

i believe its
green at -20dB red at 0dB

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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2018, 07:35:14 PM »
For me that's a deal-breaker--not knowing within ±10 dB where my levels are. I can't spend all my time with my fingers crossed, waiting for an LED to tell me I'm f**ked.

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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2018, 07:49:04 PM »
multi function indicator light

i believe its
green at -20dB red at 0dB
For me that's a deal-breaker--not knowing within ±10 dB where my levels are. I can't spend all my time with my fingers crossed, waiting for an LED to tell me I'm f**ked.

Some equipment is very well designed for its intended application, but that application may not be my application ...

I've received mine today, and there is, in addition to the LEDs, a meter on the display. I will note though, it is quite small.

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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2018, 08:02:10 PM »
Despite the small text and resolution of the meter, I am quite impressed with their use of pixels in that limited space.

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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2018, 08:57:51 PM »
More photos please! Feel free to include a banana for scale.
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2018, 01:02:43 AM »
More photos please! Feel free to include a banana for scale.

I hope a plantain is ok, I don't have any bananas. But really there isn't much to show, it's basically a deck of cards sized.

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2018, 08:59:50 AM »
I hope a plantain is ok, I don't have any bananas. But really there isn't much to show, it's basically a deck of cards sized.

Proper grammar would be- Yes, I have no bananas.

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2018, 10:41:33 AM »
Now I want fried plantains.

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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2018, 10:45:04 AM »
Is that a plantain in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2018, 01:49:45 PM »
I've received mine today, and there is, in addition to the LEDs, a meter on the display. I will note though, it is quite small.

how responsive is it? does it peak hold and for how long?

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2018, 11:35:25 PM »
how responsive is it? does it peak hold and for how long?
There is no peak hold, I'm ok with how responsive it is. It's a tiny bit slow on claps etc., but not bad at all.

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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2018, 08:23:12 AM »
A V3 and this seems perfect. Compact.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2018, 09:05:12 AM »
A V3 and this seems perfect. Compact.

It's the bit bucket we all dreamed of 10 years ago. Even at over $1k, I bet it would have become dominant in the section back then.

Now a days, given the mixpre line, the zoom series, and all the other small 4 and 6 channel all in one recorders, I suspect fewer tapers will buy these, but I'm intrigued.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2018, 10:34:36 AM »
I've received mine today, and there is, in addition to the LEDs, a meter on the display. I will note though, it is quite small.

In the manual, the pictures of the meters show only -40/-20/0 markings.  Is that user adjustable in any way?

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2018, 07:42:14 PM »
In the manual, the pictures of the meters show only -40/-20/0 markings.  Is that user adjustable in any way?

It doesn't seem to be user adjustable.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2018, 06:55:48 AM »
^ Thanks.  It would be nice if they had some marks in between -20 and 0, maybe a tick at -12 or -6.  Perhaps that can be changed in a firmware update.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2018, 11:08:18 AM »
When does Zaxcom's patent on their Neverclip input gain strategy expire?  I'd like to set input trim based on microphone sensitivity and not otherwise need to actively adjust recording gain until I switch to different microphones.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2018, 09:45:18 PM »
Finally got to tape a show with this. It was a bit of trial by fire, My Bloody Valentine is about as loud a band as one might come across. It's not the best sounding show, but I'd say it's pretty accurate for what it sounded like. Sample is attached, and if you are into Dime, you can find the whole sethttp://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=632775.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2018, 10:42:31 AM »
Finally got to tape a show with this. It was a bit of trial by fire, My Bloody Valentine is about as loud a band as one might come across. It's not the best sounding show, but I'd say it's pretty accurate for what it sounded like. Sample is attached, and if you are into Dime, you can find the whole sethttp://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=632775.

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Have you had the chance to record another show with this recorder?  If so have you used mics other than the DPA 4060's?

Have you used this recorder as a bit bucket yet?  Thanks.
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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2018, 08:52:49 PM »
I have taped another show last night, but it's in a shitty venue, so probably not really exciting to listen to. So far only the DPAs, that is mainly why I got it. I did just get a Denecke PS-2 phantom power supply so once I have the cables built I can use it with my other microphones. I haven't tried it as a bit bucket, nor really ever had much intention with that, but I can't imagine it wouldn't work perfectly well. If someone feels like lending me a pre to try it I'd be happy to do so.

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Re: Lectrosonics SPDR Stereo Dig Recorder
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2018, 02:11:05 PM »
great match for schoeps CMR.

what you spend on recorder you save on AD and mic bodies

CMR wiring for Lectrosonics:

https://www.lectrosonics.com/Support/component/com_fsf/Itemid,714/tag,Wireless,%20Schoeps,%20CMR,%20mic,%20adapter,%20servo,%20input,%20amplifiers/view,faq

which doesnt happen to match anything in the manual

bummer it has a "rugged aluminum housing" with all the metal detectors these days

was intrigued up to this point  "rugged aluminum housing".  I have half a dozen DR-2Ds so no urgency.

 

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