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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #330 on: July 01, 2019, 06:37:04 PM »
further thoughts on A10 vs M10 by doug, presumably talking about using the internal preamps on each unit:

The stock A10 measures better than the stock M10, this is due to the CMOS switch. The modified M10 smokes both with a more than 25dB improvement which is very significant with a signal coming in at -30dB, typical with a condenser mic recording a PA. Stock, the M10 cannot max out its A/D chip.
does he still sell a modified M10?

nobody sells M10s, theyve been out of production for a long time. Would he mod your M10, is a question for him i suppose. He's a reasonable guy, and prob wouldnt have mentioned it if it wasnt something he offers
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #331 on: July 01, 2019, 06:45:54 PM »
But you can probably get your M10 modded. I read that you no longer need to buy your PMD620 from doug to get it modded, so probably...
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #332 on: July 02, 2019, 08:50:47 AM »
How does it sound is the question you should be asking, not how much metal it has. :-)

Does it count if I record a lot of metal shows with it?

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #333 on: July 02, 2019, 12:20:49 PM »
The ABS version of the nbox?

ABS = ?
Mine is all metal, if that helps

Proof that these wands are tuned all over the map.

According to Doug, the Marantz 620 has less metal than either A10 or M10. So no A10 for me.

How does it sound is the question you should be asking, not how much metal it has. :-)

Fair enough Ed. The Oade modded 620 crushes the A10 and R07 And has far less metal.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #334 on: July 02, 2019, 12:22:24 PM »
But you can probably get your M10 modded. I read that you no longer need to buy your PMD620 from doug to get it modded, so probably...

He does warm mods for sure on the m10, $200. Says it beats the 620 mod. But that I’d need a reference system to hear the difference. So I’m passing.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #335 on: July 02, 2019, 05:44:59 PM »
The ABS version of the nbox?

ABS = ?
Mine is all metal, if that helps

Proof that these wands are tuned all over the map.

According to Doug, the Marantz 620 has less metal than either A10 or M10. So no A10 for me.

How does it sound is the question you should be asking, not how much metal it has. :-)

Fair enough Ed. The Oade modded 620 crushes the A10 and R07 And has far less metal.


I don't know who said the A10 had any detectable metal in it but it never set off any walk thrus or wands the 10+ times I used it.

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #336 on: July 03, 2019, 07:04:16 PM »
The ABS version of the nbox?

ABS = ?
Mine is all metal, if that helps

Proof that these wands are tuned all over the map.

According to Doug, the Marantz 620 has less metal than either A10 or M10. So no A10 for me.

How does it sound is the question you should be asking, not how much metal it has. :-)

Fair enough Ed. The Oade modded 620 crushes the A10 and R07 And has far less metal.


I don't know who said the A10 had any detectable metal in it but it never set off any walk thrus or wands the 10+ times I used it.

Doug took one apart and said it had more metal inside. Also said it had decent specs.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #337 on: July 04, 2019, 12:30:11 AM »
see post above

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=188246.msg2300226#msg2300226

 it has a single 22-26 ga plate on one side of the board, a camera stud mount, the (easily removable) mics, and the usb connector, thats about it. if the marantz has less metal in it it must be almost 100% plastic. keep in mind in that pic it looks like a lot of metal but the thing is literally TINY so its not that much

ive taken my d:vice thru a walk thru metal detector without incident, its housing is 60g of solid aluminum. A10 weighs 80g all-in including plastic case, board, batteries and metal. come to think of it, its prob more like 5-10g of metal (between a nickel and a quarter and prob less than a schoeps capsule or active end). i wouldnt think twice about A10 at a venue in regard to metal detector
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #338 on: July 04, 2019, 03:28:56 AM »
see post above

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=188246.msg2300226#msg2300226

 it has a single 22-26 ga plate on one side of the board, a camera stud mount, the (easily removable) mics, and the usb connector, thats about it. if the marantz has less metal in it it must be almost 100% plastic. keep in mind in that pic it looks like a lot of metal but the thing is literally TINY so its not that much

ive taken my d:vice thru a walk thru metal detector without incident, its housing is 60g of solid aluminum. A10 weighs 80g all-in including plastic case, board, batteries and metal. come to think of it, its prob more like 5-10g of metal (between a nickel and a quarter and prob less than a schoeps capsule or active end). i wouldnt think twice about A10 at a venue in regard to metal detector

A few weeks ago OADE did the mod on my brand new M10, a spare I had for years.  Transaction with Doug was easy and fast, I guess he will also mod used one's.


I did a stealth job with a regular and the moded M10.  But I had to use different caps and different pre amplifiers.

To make things worse, the musician I taped had fog machine running during the whole concert. 

I uploaded 2 samples...so you can get a feel for the difference....or not ;-))

MK4V-Nbox Platnium +20dB - OADE mod Sony M10 - Mic In

AKG CK 63 - Naiant Tinybox +18 dB - Reuglar Sony M10 Mic In

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #339 on: July 04, 2019, 05:31:59 AM »
MK4V-Nbox Platnium +20dB - OADE mod Sony M10 - Mic In

AKG CK 63 - Naiant Tinybox +18 dB - Reuglar Sony M10 Mic In

Do you use mic in with Nbox/Tinybox? I always use line in.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #340 on: July 04, 2019, 07:08:54 AM »
MK4V-Nbox Platnium +20dB - OADE mod Sony M10 - Mic In

AKG CK 63 - Naiant Tinybox +18 dB - Reuglar Sony M10 Mic In

Do you use mic in with Nbox/Tinybox? I always use line in.

The M10 OADE mod can only be done to the mic in, therefore I will order a BabyNbox....  But to test I had to use 2 of the pres I own and the Nbox has a fixed gain to +20dB, so I decided to use the TB with the +18db setting with the shelf M10.  Normaly I use the line in...with the pres.

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #341 on: July 04, 2019, 02:20:39 PM »
The M10 OADE mod can only be done to the mic in, therefore I will order a BabyNbox....  But to test I had to use 2 of the pres I own and the Nbox has a fixed gain to +20dB, so I decided to use the TB with the +18db setting with the shelf M10.  Normaly I use the line in...with the pres.

Ok. Thank for the explanation.

I uploaded 2 samples...so you can get a feel for the difference....or not ;-))

I can honestly not hear any difference between the two samples. Is that a bad thing? I think Schoeps vs. AKG and Nbox vs. Tinybox should color the sound more. Worries me that my ears can't distinguish them. Not exactly sure what the OADE mod does but it's not obvious to me.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #342 on: July 04, 2019, 02:52:55 PM »
from what doug described to me it seems like it helps noise floor - which will be difficult to asceratin in a comp at a loud concert if the levels are nailed. noise floor is prob well below room noise in both cases

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #344 on: July 04, 2019, 06:52:15 PM »
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=109703.msg1465435#msg1465435

not sure of the point of that... i consider both guysonic and doug to both be reputable in understanding and undertaking mods...and both have been huge contributors to the community. If doug is/was outsourcing board-level soldering good for him. dudes neck and back were wrecked decades ago and he was ordered by his doctor to chill on the benchwork.

He knows his way around a design and can understand whats going on and how to effectively unleash some bottlenecks necessitated by designers of mass-produced gear. Many of his mods disable other features of the design as a compromise, that the mfr probably thought useful to their design (but irrelevant to our purpose) - internal mics on pmd661 comes to mind.

That said, i think the greatest thing i ever learned from doug is "trust your ears". Which is why i take ANY mod (or ANY flavor-of-the-month gear for that matter) with a grain of salt until i get my hands on a real honest comp and can decide for myself. Sure a mod M10 may "crush" stock A10 and M10 on noise floor, but is that necessary for me to go stack tape a PA in a noisy crowd? up to the buyer to decide...

There are a few people over the years, like doug (and his brother jim), john siau, mike grace, jon from naiant, etc, that have taught me so much and answered question after question and provided guidance, not because they were necessarily business driven, but because they share a deep passion for their art. these are the people i like to support. Plenty of others that are in it for the money, and only the money, whos design and customer service (lack of) integrity inevitably shows itself at some point
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