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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2018, 11:59:36 PM »
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2018, 12:27:38 AM »
Thanks, Sebastian, for the detailed report! This all sounds very promising, especially that long battery life.

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2018, 06:53:40 AM »
Excellent comparative review - thanks!

I know that most participants here regard use of built in mics with horror, but it might none the less be interesting if you were able to somehow compare the three in that respect.  As is well known here, my opinion of the M10 mics is that the sound is good but the stereo image is useless.  The Roland I think has the same mic design as the M10 (I am open to correction!).  The A10 has cardioid mics that have a fighting chance of producing a stereo image - but maybe they sound crap for all that.  Any comments?

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2018, 08:44:47 AM »
I'd also be curious to hear a side-by-side comparison of the M10 and A10, with similar inputs. Does the new device have the same built-in preamp quality, despite being only a single jack for both mic and line in?

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2018, 10:05:07 AM »
I'd also be curious to hear a side-by-side comparison of the M10 and A10, with similar inputs. Does the new device have the same built-in preamp quality, despite being only a single jack for both mic and line in?

I'm planning on doing that comp next. I don't think the single jack vs. multiple jacks thing has anything to do with the quality. To put it another way: We do not know that the M10 had separate preamps on the two separate inputs. And we don't know that the A10's input goes to a single preamp. Since it is switchable between Mic and Line input, it could theoretically also route to two separate preamps (although I highly doubt that).
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2018, 12:33:08 PM »
I'd also be curious to hear a side-by-side comparison of the M10 and A10, with similar inputs. Does the new device have the same built-in preamp quality, despite being only a single jack for both mic and line in?

I'm planning on doing that comp next. I don't think the single jack vs. multiple jacks thing has anything to do with the quality. To put it another way: We do not know that the M10 had separate preamps on the two separate inputs. And we don't know that the A10's input goes to a single preamp. Since it is switchable between Mic and Line input, it could theoretically also route to two separate preamps (although I highly doubt that).

All very likely, but I'm still eager to hear how your next comp comes out.

I am getting tempted to sell one of my M10s and buy an A10 so I can do some side-by-side tests myself...

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2018, 02:10:05 PM »
Thanks for the detailed report, Sebastian! Looking forward to hearing an M10/A10 comparison! But this looks like a great option for stealthing to move on from the M10.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2018, 09:05:23 AM »
I took the A10 out to a festival the last two days and am really impressed with it. It worked perfectly and being able to control it with the iOS app is really nice. The A10 never left my pocket the whole weekend.

I also did a comparison against the PCM-M10. Like last time, this is the same signal fed to both the A10 and M10 via a splitter cable.

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So what do you guys think?
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2018, 09:40:26 AM »
Sounds outstanding to me. I can't discern any difference at all.

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2018, 12:55:29 PM »
Sebi does it seem to be more metal detector proof than the M-10.  I have a bunch of Tascam DR-2D's and like the recorder but if the mic pre-amp is any good this may be the recorder to run with a babynbox for extreme security shows.  The ios app does me no good since I am an apple is food / android user.

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2018, 01:23:15 PM »
Sebi does it seem to be more metal detector proof than the M-10.  I have a bunch of Tascam DR-2D's and like the recorder but if the mic pre-amp is any good this may be the recorder to run with a babynbox for extreme security shows.  The ios app does me no good since I am an apple is food / android user.

I have no means to properly test that, but the A10 feels way lighter and less metal than both the M10 and DR-2d (comparable to the remote of my Samsung TV).

I do have a hyper sensitive metal detector at home that I use on walls before drilling holes in them to make sure there are no pipes or wires. Both the M10 and A10 get picked up by it, but so are the rivets on my jeans. ;)

However, since no venues around here have MDs I can't really test it in a real world scenario. There are two big venues in Berlin that have MDs now, but I almost never ever tape there because usually the same shows come to Munich or Zurich (both way closer to me).

There is an Android app, too. And judging from the screenshots on the Google Play store, it looks identical to the iOS one.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2018, 12:05:56 AM »
Thx. I am sure thee will be some reports here in the US where they are everywhere.

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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2018, 10:48:59 AM »
Does the A10 have a lock all feature?
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2018, 11:09:31 AM »
Does the A10 have a lock all feature?

It has a hold switch that is combined with the power switch, similar to the M10. It locks all buttons, but the unit can still be controlled via the bluetooth app.
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Re: New SONY PCM-A10
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2018, 11:42:56 AM »
Thanks!
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