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Getting into my first decent TT advice
« on: December 02, 2018, 12:35:03 PM »

So my GF is a vinyl junkie of sorts - I lost my collection in the divorce many moons ago and since I move often for work I never really got into collecting again - but is not real savvy when it  comes to gear. Her TT at her house is one of those vintage looking cabinets with a built in speaker and the rig at my house is a Sony TT and receiver she brought over along with a crate of vinyl for us to spin.

I'm looking at a vintage "83 AR ES1 that I think I can get for pretty cheap that includes the tonearm board, Sumiko tonearm and some sort of headshell and a stylus. It's been stored with the belt off of it for a bunch of years and the cherry wood plinth seems to be in very good shape. If I can get for a steal I'm going for it but I'm a little concerned about the rabbit hole that can be getting a vintage TT performing well and up to par.

I'm not interested in doing a shitload of mods to it I just want a decent table to build a living room playback system around.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for places to gather info, replacement parts, etc, that won't break the bank. I'm not interested in spending a shitload of money on this project.

Also weird thing - the platter that is included with the table looks to be the size of a 45 - in most pictures of this table that I can find the platter is the same size as a regular 33 record. WTF?
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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 09:20:09 PM »
Roger.

This page seems to show the smaller platter.  Looks like maybe it is the base for the full size.  Don't know that much about those turntables but it sure is purdy.  I'd worry it might be tough to find the real platter that goes with it.

https://vinylnirvana.com/vintage-turntables-for-sale/vintage-ar-es-1-turntable-w-rega-rb-301-extras

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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 09:49:59 PM »
Sounds like the picture you are looking at is one of the table sans the outer platter, so you are looking at just the sub platter. If that is the case make sure the seller has the outer platter, too. If you can see the belt then you are loooking at the sub platter. The table you are considering is a good table based on 3 point suspension, which is tried and true method of mechanical vibration control. If all is good, a quick tune up should be all you need to spin some great sound.

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If you go with the AR, you have lots of upgrades you can do over time that will push the performance upward. There is lots of information on the internet, or PM, and I can help you along your journey.

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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 11:18:18 PM »
Buy a new belt and watch the tune-up videos @ www.vinylnirvana.com

If the outer platter is missing, should be ebay-able if Dave @ VN doesn't have a spare to sell you.

Also read the AR forum @ www.vinylengine.com

More info than you'll ever need, also if you really can't find a platter, reach out to Marc Morin or Steve Frosten on VE forum, they may have too

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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2018, 12:34:20 AM »
Talk to Raymonda...  And then trade your Schoeps for that sweet 'tang...

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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 01:57:49 PM »

So this TT was in the giant online auction that I posted about in 3rd party sales. There was hundreds of McIntosh amps, Thorens, Empire and other TTs and the AR I was interested in. The AR ended up selling for $225 hammer price which is a total steal. Then I considered the other costs - shipping from a third party shipper, tax at 8%, buyer premium of 15%, the auction couldn't verify that the table had the other platter, the possibility of repair since I couldn't see it in person and they weren't willing to test other than powers up....

So I decided to let this one go and maybe buy something ready to spin. Found a beautiful Garrard in Asheville NC while I was there for Xmas Jam that was also a steal at $500 but I just couldn't pull the trigger.

My serious playback system is at my mix desk in my music room/office. For other playback we use the soundbar with sub and the tablet via BT. For spinning vinyl we use the GFs Sony TT and a Sony receiver into some old Polk 2 way bookshelf speakers and really that is decent enough for how often we use it.

I got a bit of a year end incentive and I think I'm going to use some of it to get something like a ProJect or lower end Music Hall table and maybe something like a used NAD or Adcom integrated to up our game on the vinyl front. I don't have the room or the need for a really high end table and the rig to get out of it what it deserves.
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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:08:43 PM »
IMO, the only Garrards worth owning is a 301 or 401. The rest a just a step up from toys. Hopefully, that is what you were able to score. If so, it will need a total rebuild if it hasn't been done. My guess is if it is one of them, it hasn't. Or else you would be paying $1500 to 2500, which is not much of a deal.

If it is the Zero, they have a lot of plastic and a history of problems.

Hopefully it works out well.

If you want to get something decent and cheap, get a Rega Planar 3. Sometimes you can score one for 300 to 400. The arm is worth at least that much and can be used on other tables moving forward.

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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:34:07 PM »
IMO, the only Garrards worth owning is a 301 or 401. The rest a just a step up from toys. Hopefully, that is what you were able to score. If so, it will need a total rebuild if it hasn't been done. My guess is if it is one of them, it hasn't. Or else you would be paying $1500 to 2500, which is not much of a deal.

If it is the Zero, they have a lot of plastic and a history of problems.

Hopefully it works out well.

If you want to get something decent and cheap, get a Rega Planar 3. Sometimes you can score one for 300 to 400. The arm is worth at least that much and can be used on other tables moving forward.

It was a 301 built into a custom base that had sat unused for 30 years. It was unbelievably mint for it's age and had been somewhat refurbed by the shop. Didn't buy it.

I'll keep an eye out for a deal on a Rega and consider one if I can get it complete and ready to spin.
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Re: Getting into my first decent TT advice
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 08:11:53 PM »
You need to pick up the 301. If it runs it is worth 2 to 3 times that much. Buy it, flip it and put it towards the table you want.

 

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