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Talk between songs
« on: December 13, 2018, 11:56:25 AM »
Hi

I'm new to all this and have what might be a stupid question.

Ive just recorded a show and am very pleased with the sound of the music BUT there was a lot of talking from the artist between songs and this has come out quite quiet. Do I -

- Edit each talking bit separately as an individual track to get the volume right?

- Put up with it and turn the vol up when listening to the talk?

Thanks in advance.

PS If anyone can point me in the direction of a Dummies how to process a live music recording I'd be eternally grateful. I used Ocenaudio for mine and was pleased but I'm not sure I used all of its possibilities.




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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 12:15:38 PM »
I track out tunes so that the tunes start at the markers and leave the banter/crowd at the end if ever wanted...

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2018, 12:17:19 PM »
You could try parallel compression: https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=137594.0
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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 12:21:41 PM »
Just noticed yer new here, caitjim. Welcome! Friendly bunch here. Check your wallet at the door, and have fun!

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 01:56:55 PM »
I track out tunes so that the tunes start at the markers and leave the banter/crowd at the end if ever wanted...

Same here. Some make new tracks for banter, but I like to streamline the setlist with only an extraneous intro track for both sets to capture tuning,etc.
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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2018, 02:11:18 PM »
Thanks all. I don't like the idea of tracking out the banter as it was fairly integral to the show - explaining history of the songs etc. Parallel compression sounds like an idea. I'll wait to see if anyone else replies. Thanks all for taking the time to reply and Tim in Jersey for the welcome. U r a friendly lot.

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2018, 02:31:40 PM »
It's really up to you, there's no right or wrong way to track banter. I usually leave it at the end of the track and start the next track with the next song. I also amplify the chat a bit as it's usually way lower than the music and can make for a difficult listen.

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 02:56:48 PM »
For me, in most cases, if it's over a minute, talking gets its own track. Sometimes I'll do talking tracks as short as 30 seconds if it really has nothing to do with either song. I make no effort to change volume level for talking parts. People have a knob.
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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2018, 03:21:40 PM »
I basically do that. 

If the talk is about the following song, I'll place the marker for that song at the beginning of the relevant talk about it (which could be anywhere in the 'tween-song banter after the last song).  If the talk about it goes longer than 15-20 seconds, I place another marker at the start of the song and label the banter about it "intro to song_" forming its own track.  It's a subjective call.  But that way listeners can skip ahead to the music and/or choose not play the "intro to_" tracks at all.

Whether or not I modify loudness depends on how extreme the difference is an how much effort I'm putting into the whole thing.
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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »
*** Ive just downloaded Ocenaudio and have split the show into individual tracks of either music or intros and then boosted the volume in the spoken tracks, put everything back together and am very pleased with the outcome.
Is there a really easy splitter to use that can split the long MP3 into individual tracks? Ocenaduio does it but there is probably a simpler means.
Thanks for all your advice.

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2018, 04:02:31 PM »
*** Ive just downloaded Ocenaudio and have split the show into individual tracks of either music or intros and then boosted the volume in the spoken tracks, put everything back together and am very pleased with the outcome.
Is there a really easy splitter to use that can split the long MP3 into individual tracks? Ocenaduio does it but there is probably a simpler means.
Thanks for all your advice.

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2018, 04:15:22 PM »
*** Ive just downloaded Ocenaudio and have split the show into individual tracks of either music or intros and then boosted the volume in the spoken tracks, put everything back together and am very pleased with the outcome.
Is there a really easy splitter to use that can split the long MP3 into individual tracks? Ocenaduio does it but there is probably a simpler means.
Thanks for all your advice.
You can do that in Audacity. It's free, open source, and cross platform for linux, pc or mac.
https://www.audacityteam.org/download/


I'd import the master file(s), and use the "Envelope" tool to fix levels. (F5). I use "add label" (control-B, or command-B on mac) for each marker, and then export multiple files (of whatever format you need) based on the labels, with leading numbers to keep them in order.


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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2018, 02:53:32 AM »
I'd import the master file(s), and use the "Envelope" tool to fix levels. (F5). I use "add label" (control-B, or command-B on mac) for each marker, and then export multiple files (of whatever format you need) based on the labels, with leading numbers to keep them in order.

Exactly my workflow.

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2018, 09:42:47 AM »
Envelope is my method, too. Reinstalled cool edit pro on new pc and it won’t store my presets, though...fuck....

Regarding banter, it’s something I’m not real fond of...I do cut it entirely sometimes if too long...or at least make into separate tracks...for instance Shellac always has looooong q&a sessions and/or stories from Steve Albini.....just STFU and play, grampy

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Re: Talk between songs
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2018, 11:05:50 AM »
I use "add label" (control-B, or command-B on mac) for each marker, and then export multiple files (of whatever format you need) based on the labels, with leading numbers to keep them in order.

This blew my mind.  All this time I've been selecting where I want the track break, then selecting everything after that point, cutting it, pasting it, and then aligning with the end of the previous track.  You just saved me several clicks per track  :coolguy:
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