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"Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« on: December 26, 2018, 04:21:52 PM »
Leading up to the Dead & Co. shows this summer, I've thought it might be fun to run some mics that used to be popular among Grateful Dead tapers back in the day (70s-80s).  Are any still available and not too expensive?  This would just be something for the hell of it and not something I'd want to drop a lot of money into.  Anyone have ideas/suggestions?
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2018, 04:42:08 PM »
Beyer M201s
Sennhieser's

AKG c422
Naks as mentioned
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2018, 05:00:01 PM »
Sennheiser 421's were great FOB GD mics. The 441 also was used but not as many as 421's.
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2018, 05:08:35 PM »
In my not so humble opinion, the Nakamichi CM series (300/100) series mics and their related clones still sound great if you take care of them and of course position them for success.  8)

I've managed to find inexpensive brand new in the box sets of them on ebay a couple of times in recent years.


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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2018, 05:13:51 PM »
It depends on when you started taping, but I originally used Nak 300s and later bought shotguns, then I moved to Sennheiser 441's and 421's. Even later Neumann KM140s, You can probably round up any of them but 421s and 441s are still for sale. I love 441s...
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2018, 05:17:13 PM »
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2018, 06:14:59 PM »
[quote
Those Oade boys ran the darkside

👍, now you gotta find a giant pcm deck.😁
[/quote]

They helped convince me to the darkside, sold me my PCM F-1/SL2000.  I started with Sennheiser 421, Used Nak 300 shot guns, Sennheiser shotguns and Beyer M-88's until I moved west then Neumans and Schoeps.  The 421s were greater mics for FOB taping in the early days of semi open taping.

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2019, 10:05:46 PM »
I still love listening to my recordings from the 70's made with two Sennheiser 421's into the L/R inputs and one 441 into the 3rd "Blend" input on my Nakamichi 550.  Love that sound.   

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2019, 01:34:30 AM »
I still have Sennheiser ME80's and ME-40's

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2019, 09:57:00 AM »
What were the Audio Technica shotguns used in the 80s???  The AT835's??? 

I have a PH tape labeled "AT guns" from a 80s GD taper... 

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2019, 01:51:52 PM »
What were the Audio Technica shotguns used in the 80s???  The AT835's??? 

I have a PH tape labeled "AT guns" from a 80s GD taper... 

Terry
815s were the longer ones and 835 the shorter.

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2019, 08:21:25 PM »
In my not so humble opinion, the Nakamichi CM series (300/100) series mics and their related clones still sound great if you take care of them and of course position them for success.  8)

I've managed to find inexpensive brand new in the box sets of them on ebay a couple of times in recent years.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2019, 08:59:54 PM »
In my not so humble opinion, the Nakamichi CM series (300/100) series mics and their related clones still sound great if you take care of them and of course position them for success.  8)

I've managed to find inexpensive brand new in the box sets of them on ebay a couple of times in recent years.

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 02:01:32 PM »
I always assumed it was the Oades and Mike Grace who brought Schoeps to prominence in tapers circles. I know Doug liked Microtech Gefell's for a while too.
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 03:35:06 PM »

I'm spinning some DATs I received from a mutual friend of a GD patcher friend of ours who noted some of the mics he patched out of back then and I'm very impressed with the pulls from the Sennheiser 441 rigs. Great sound for a dynamic mic at a distance.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 07:32:57 PM »
Listening to Mr. Darby's AKG451's had me put together a set. Still run them.

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2019, 12:40:57 PM »
Here are some 45-year-old Sennheiser data sheets on the original MD 421 in case anyone's interested.

The MD 421 was widely used as a handheld "on-the-scene" mike by TV news reporters, and was very often seen on camera in Germany back in the day. It was very often used as a public address and press conference mike as well. It had a heavy construction--at 14 oz., about five times the weight of a typical small condenser microphone. Back when it was introduced, only the most expensive portable recorders had built-in powering for condenser microphones, so a dynamic microphone meant quicker setup and connection, plus operational reliability along with the above-mentioned physical toughness.

The spec sheet reveals something of a marketing shell game in which the microphone is supposedly flat and transparent for full-range music applications but at the same time, has profiled response specifically for speech intelligibility. In truth it is an in-between creature. Its response graph shows a rolloff of 9 dB at 50 Hz and a very broad treble boost of about 5 dB, typical of microphones designed primarily for speech applications and spot miking. An alternate version had a further, variable low-frequency rolloff (not shown on the graph) useful for speech pickup in reverberant environments and/or for very close pickup generally.

There is a modern replacement for the MD 421, but it isn't the same. Because of EU "RoHS" restrictions on the use of materials that are now considered hazardous and/or that pose a problem for eventual disposal, European manufacturers nowadays can't simply replicate their own past products even when they want to. In addition, for decades Sennheiser has been the most high-volume-production-oriented of the European professional microphone manufacturers--the scale of their operations is very large--and the production methods and machines from decades ago have no doubt been superseded several times over by now.

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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2019, 12:46:24 AM »
Leading up to the Dead & Co. shows this summer, I've thought it might be fun to run some mics that used to be popular among Grateful Dead tapers back in the day (70s-80s).  Are any still available and not too expensive?  This would just be something for the hell of it and not something I'd want to drop a lot of money into.  Anyone have ideas/suggestions?

Awesome idea!!!!!  I would love to hear the end result.  Keep us updated as to what you use and the results. GOO LUCK!
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2019, 12:40:13 PM »

I just picked up a pair of Sennheiser K2U/ME40 mics on Reverb really cheap when the seller accepted my offer of 30% lower than the asking price. Looking forward to using them this summer and getting that vintage vibe. They are the early versions from the 70s and seem to be working just fine.
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Re: "Classic" GD taping mics still available?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2019, 01:40:22 PM »
grab some Nak 300's with cp-4 gun!  They will sound great mixed with your current set, work well in places like The Granada, and of course at festivals.  And...I want to here them.   :guitarist:
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