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Roland R-07, Part 2
« on: February 28, 2019, 04:13:06 PM »
It is time for a new thread, Part 2:

Here is the first thread: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=184906.0
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2019, 04:30:06 PM »

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2019, 10:57:46 PM »
hey dallman your link at end of other thread is bunk and prompts a post window
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2019, 05:08:17 AM »
Cool. Nice that it became so popular.

Tried to change the subject in the old thread to 'Roland R-07, Part 1' but it seems like it's allready locked.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2019, 03:21:18 PM »
hey dallman your link at end of other thread is bunk and prompts a post window

That link work fine for me.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2019, 08:45:09 AM »
hey dallman your link at end of other thread is bunk and prompts a post window

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 02:09:30 AM »
just reread last thread top to bottom

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2019, 03:39:06 AM »
Hello,
Looking for some advise on gain level for a loud concert using the Roland R-07.
First time using Roland R-07 and I don’t want to be messing about with the gain level when the show starts!
I will be using SP-CMC-4U microphones with 9V battery box.
So thought I’d ask what level people have found they need to use at shows they’ve recorded with the Roland R-07 and mics similar to SP-CMC-4U’s, also with the gain level you use what are the highest/loudest peaks you’re getting eg. -12 or -6 or 0dB ?
Any help appreciated!
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2019, 07:25:36 AM »
if yoi dont want to be messing with levels during the show you dont want to be anywhere near 0dB

id recommend using the app
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2019, 08:10:52 AM »
That’s why I’m interested to know what gain/level people have found the Roland R-07 will give max peaks around -12 to -6 dB.
I know there will be varying factors, like people who have used different mics to the SP-CMC-4U (low sense modded) with 9v battery box, but I think similar mics which have also been used with the Roland R-07 would have similar peak results using similar gain levels?
Yes the Bluetooth remote app works well to control the Roland R-07 gain level with your phone while the Roland is in your pocket, I just don’t want to be having to change the gain level during the show.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2019, 08:48:40 AM »
kinda impossible to give you a straight answer even if they know the sensitivity of your mics, because all shows arent equally loud. id start at an input level of 20. thats the advantage of 24-bit you have a lot of room on setting levels. as long as it peaks above 20 you wont have audible noise.

if you want to be more brave and closer to 0db just use the safety track feature first time out
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2019, 09:55:45 AM »
I don’t want to use the “safety” dual level recording function, the Roland R-07 FAQ on their website indicates it uses a limiter even if you have limiter switched off.... I haven’t really looked into it to see if it’s both files or just one of them that the ‘normal non hybrid’ limiter is used on, but I’d rather just have all limiters off and manually adjust the gain level myself.
Here’s some stuff from the Roland R-07 FAQ page.

Q:When does the Hybrid Limiter function operate?
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The Hybrid Limiter function on the R-07 operates under the following conditions.

"Limiter": ON
"Input Level": 60 or higher

* The Hybrid Limiter function does not operate when Rec Mode is set to "2xWAV (Dual Level Recording)."
* When the Limiter is ON and the Input Level is 59 or lower, or whenever the Dual Level Recording is being engaged, the normal (non-Hybrid) limiter will be activated.
* For more details about the Limiter function and its settings, refer to the Reference Guide (p. 16), "Using Limiter or AGC."

Q:What is dual level recording?
A:
This is a function that lets you simultaneously create two files at different recording levels.
A backup file at a low recording level is also recorded as a safeguard just in case clipping occurs.
Specifically, recording with 2xWAV-16 bit or 2xWAV-24 bit selected for Rec Mode lets you simultaneous record at the specified input level and at an input level approximately 20 dB lower than that input level.
This setting is recommended when the possibility exists that the recorded audio might be distorted if the volume level becomes too high during actual recording, even when the input level has been set. When you record, two files are created.

Example:When the file name is R07_0010.WAV
R07_0010.WAV   :Recorded at the specified input level
R07_0010L.WAV   :Recorded at an input level approximately 20 dB lower than the specified level

Q:The input level cannot be set to any value from "1" to "41."
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When Rec Mode is set to 2xWAV-16 bit or 2xWAV-24 bit, the settable range for the input level is 0 or a value from 42 to 100.
Also, when you're recording using 2xWAV, a file is automatically created at an input level whose value is lower than the specified input level.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2019, 03:41:51 PM »
well theres one way to find out where to set them.. ;)

is there an opening act? i often use those to dial in a bit
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2019, 05:26:38 PM »
No opening band so unable to set levels that way.
OK here’s a serious question about something I realised tonight about the Roland R-07, but I don’t know if it’s odd or not?, I think people here might have an idea of what’s happening?
I had earphones plugged into the Roland R-07 sitting in a quiet room with a television on quietly in the background, I was recording with the Roland R-07 and turning the gain level up and down, when you press the gain level up or down you can hear a quiet pop/click sound each time you press the gain button, I started to notice a bunch of times when setting the gain level up from 59 to 60 and down from 60 to 59 the click/pop is more obvious than all the other clicks, it just sounds like a bigger louder click/pop.
This bigger/louder click/pop is exactly at the gain level (59-60) that the Roland R-07 FAQ indicates the Roland R-07 will switch from ‘normal limiter’ to ‘hybrid limiter’ (that info can be seen in my last post).
However I have limiters set to OFF, so my question is why would the louder click/pop happen to appear exactly when changing the levels from 59-60 exactly where the ‘normal limiter’ changes to ‘hybrid limiter’?, does this seem normal even though I have limiter OFF?
It might just be total co-incidence and have nothing to do with the limiter?, or maybe it is related to the limiter and there’s a technical reason there’s a bigger/louder click/pop right at that point? (even though the limiter is in fact switched off).
SURELY IT WOULDN’T REALLY BE LIMITING WHEN I HAVE LIMITER SWITCHED OFF?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2019, 08:33:14 PM »
OK here’s a serious question about something I realised tonight about the Roland R-07, but I don’t know if it’s odd or not?, I think people here might have an idea of what’s happening?
I had earphones plugged into the Roland R-07 sitting in a quiet room with a television on quietly in the background, I was recording with the Roland R-07 and turning the gain level up and down, when you press the gain level up or down you can hear a quiet pop/click sound each time you press the gain button, I started to notice a bunch of times when setting the gain level up from 59 to 60 and down from 60 to 59 the click/pop is more obvious than all the other clicks, it just sounds like a bigger louder click/pop.

the zipper on volume adjsutments is covered pretty extensively in the first thread, as is the fact that noise level goes up substantially at high input levels. note i also noted it was doing some kind of internal switching right at 60

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=184906.msg2266864#msg2266864

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2019, 12:13:50 AM »
Hey,
Yes I already read all 29 pages 2 weeks ago, I remember the posts about the ticks but didn’t remember you writing about circuits possibly switching right at 60 level, interesting you also noticed this sound I knew I was definitely hearing something different there....
So what do you mean by ‘switching circuits’ ?, does that have something to do with the limiters?, I take it that the limiter is not being used (even though I can hear that louder pop at level 60 with limiter OFF) and everything is OK?
Thanks for the info.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2019, 12:46:03 AM »
i just noticed that it was quieter from 60-70 input level than it was from 40-50, as if it switched internally from some line-in to some mic-in circuit or something

take those tests with a grain of salt the input setup wasnt super representative IIRC, wasnt measured wth a known impedance or anything
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R-07 Firmware v1.100 and remote app update
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2019, 03:23:13 AM »
R-07 Firmware update

I just noticed an Roland remote app update on my iPhone, and checked to see if the firmware was updated as well:
https://www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/r-07/updates_drivers/

Firmware is updated to Ver.1.100
There are added quite a number of new features as well as some fixes.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2019, 04:42:04 AM »
UPDATE HISTORY
[ Ver.1.100 ] MAR 2019
Additional Functions
Please refer to the "Functions Added in R-07 System Program Ver.1.10" for detailed information in the [ Owner's Manuals ].
R-07 itself

    You can connect the R-07 via USB to your computer, iPhone, or iPad, and use it as a USB audio interface.
    Supported operating systems are as follows.
    Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10
    OS X 10.10, OS X 10.11, macOS 10.12, macOS 10.13, macOS 10.14
    iOS 11, iOS 12

    * Only Sample Rate "44.1 kHz / 48.0 kHz" is supported.
    * It does not support Android.
    If "Recording mode" is set to 2xWAV (Dual level recording), you can adjust the volume of the quieter recording.
    The name of the CODEC on the connected Bluetooth A2DP device is now displayed on the Bluetooth/Information screen.

R-07 Remote

    By operating an "R-07 Remote" app installed on your mobile device, you can simultaneously control up to four R-07 units.
    You can also start recording on multiple R-07 units simultaneously.
    You can perform playback operations from an Apple Watch.


Functionality Improvements
R-07 Remote

    Operation from an Apple Watch even while the iPhone is in sleep mode is now possible.
    Connectivity between the R-07 and R-07 Remote has been improved.


Bug Fixes
The following bugs were fixed.
R-07 itself

    Transfer speed when connected via USB sometimes grows slow.
    The rehearsal function fails to work when the Rec Mode is set to "2xWAV (Dual level recording)."


< If You're Using R-07 Remote >
Using the new functionality in R-07 Remote requires updating the R-07 Remote app.
iOS version
Use R-07 Remote when updated to version 1.1.2 or later.
* R-07 Remote version 1.1.2 can be used under iOS 11 and after.

Android version
Use R-07 Remote when updated to version 1.1.2 or later.
* R-07 Remote version 1.1.2 can be used under Android 5 and after.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2019, 05:07:33 AM »
By operating an "R-07 Remote" app installed on your mobile device, you can simultaneously control up to four R-07 units.

This is an interesting development.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2019, 05:30:23 AM »
By operating an "R-07 Remote" app installed on your mobile device, you can simultaneously control up to four R-07 units.
This is an interesting development.

This appears to be functionality primarily implemented in the mobile APP, but seemingly a significant development effort, so I guess there must be a demand.
I personally don't really see how this will come in handy, so it is obviously not done to please me :)

What kind of use-cases do you think this could be useful?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2019, 06:35:52 AM »
By operating an "R-07 Remote" app installed on your mobile device, you can simultaneously control up to four R-07 units.
This is an interesting development.

This appears to be functionality primarily implemented in the mobile APP, but seemingly a significant development effort, so I guess there must be a demand.
I personally don't really see how this will come in handy, so it is obviously not done to please me :)

What kind of use-cases do you think this could be useful?

I’m thinking of doing some matrix or ‘backup’ type recordings this summer - one set of Cards and one set of Omnis. This kind of feature (if I had 2 R-07s) would make setting levels easier.

Also if you were open recording two separate rigs in different locations at a venue, I’d think this would make it much easier to manage.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2019, 06:58:08 AM »

I’m thinking of doing some matrix or ‘backup’ type recordings this summer - one set of Cards and one set of Omnis. This kind of feature (if I had 2 R-07s) would make setting levels easier.

Also if you were open recording two separate rigs in different locations at a venue, I’d think this would make it much easier to manage.

Thanks! I can see how this could be useful.

Videographers often put a Lav attached to a recorder in the pocket of the talents (at weddings for example) and sync in post, and I initially thought it could be useful to control levels on several recorders, but I imagine the reach of Bluetooth will limit the usability to mostly stationary situations.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2019, 07:57:10 AM »
Yesterday I've tried the new version "on the field" and it was all ok. Disconnection (android smartphone) after putting smartphone in stand-by is not fixed yet, but workaround described in this thread is ok also with new fw.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2019, 08:20:57 PM »
I still can't walk away 10 feet from the soundboard at a busy nightclub without the recorder's bluetooth from disconnecting from my phone.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2019, 08:30:54 PM »
I still can't walk away 10 feet from the soundboard at a busy nightclub without the recorder's bluetooth from disconnecting from my phone.

thats unfortunate. even the lowest bluetooth spec should be good to 33 feet. 2.0 to 100 feet
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2019, 10:13:07 PM »
i own 3 R-07's and have just updated the firmware on all of them and am playing around with the link feature. this seems like it will be very cool. has anyone figured out a way to change the name of the particular R-07 in the app (the list of (Bluetooth MIDI Devices')? they all show up as 'Roland R-07 MIDI', which is going to get rather confusing if you're using multiple units at the same time and they're all named the same. it would be helpful to be able to change the name to reflect the use case for that individual unit.

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Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2019, 03:26:59 AM »
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2019, 01:53:27 AM »
Hello,
Looking for some advise on gain level for a loud concert using the Roland R-07.
First time using Roland R-07 and I don’t want to be messing about with the gain level when the show starts!
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Here's how I get a rough sense of how to set gain on a new deck:

Set up my mics in front of a living room speaker, connect a recorder I'm used to running, hit record and set gain to roughly what I'd use at the type of show to be recorded. Turn up living room stereo's volume until I'm seeing levels that I like. Pause playback.

Connect new recorder to mics without changing their position and start recording. Unpause the stereo's playback, and adjust gain to levels I like.

I tend to reduce gain a bit after that, to ensure first run doesn't come close to overloading.

Not perfect, but works well enough.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2019, 03:05:26 AM »
Compare with Sony M10 and Roland R05, the highest gain level of Roland R07 is lower.  Does it also has a hidden menu like Roland R05?  Another problem is r07 will reduce the gain level when use plug-in mic.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2019, 04:57:24 AM »
Compare with Sony M10 and Roland R05, the highest gain level of Roland R07 is lower.  Does it also has a hidden menu like Roland R05?  Another problem is r07 will reduce the gain level when use plug-in mic.

What do you mean a problem is Roland R-07 will reduce the gain level when using a plug in mic?
I think you mean the built in mic will be louder than plug in mics if recording the same concert?

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2019, 06:57:58 AM »
Hello,
Looking for some advise on gain level for a loud concert using the Roland R-07.
First time using Roland R-07 and I don’t want to be messing about with the gain level when the show starts!
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Here's how I get a rough sense of how to set gain on a new deck:

Set up my mics in front of a living room speaker, connect a recorder I'm used to running, hit record and set gain to roughly what I'd use at the type of show to be recorded. Turn up living room stereo's volume until I'm seeing levels that I like. Pause playback.

Connect new recorder to mics without changing their position and start recording. Unpause the stereo's playback, and adjust gain to levels I like.

I tend to reduce gain a bit after that, to ensure first run doesn't come close to overloading.

Not perfect, but works well enough.

Good idea, but I haven’t recorded for many years and no longer have any recorders I’ve used in the past.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2019, 07:40:58 AM »
I discovered that, when powered via USB, the red recording lights, dissapear.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2019, 10:43:07 AM »
I discovered that, when powered via USB, the red recording lights, dissapear.
I can't reproduce that, except when I record via the R-07 as audio interface connected to a PC. If the device is just getting power from the PC or USB connected battery, the lights still shows. What is your setup?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2019, 12:25:09 PM »
I discovered that, when powered via USB, the red recording lights, dissapear.
I can't reproduce that, except when I record via the R-07 as audio interface connected to a PC. If the device is just getting power from the PC or USB connected battery, the lights still shows. What is your setup?

Do you have batteries installed. Remove them from the unit. And operate with the app to start recording.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2019, 12:54:11 PM »
I discovered that, when powered via USB, the red recording lights, dissapear.
I can't reproduce that, except when I record via the R-07 as audio interface connected to a PC. If the device is just getting power from the PC or USB connected battery, the lights still shows. What is your setup?

Do you have batteries installed. Remove them from the unit. And operate with the app to start recording.
Just tried that. No batteries in the unit. Power from USB battery. Still lights regardless of app control or direct control. I’m running latest firmware.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2019, 08:09:26 AM »
Ok, is not a battery matter. To turn off the recording lights and bluetooth (did´t tried with the peak one), , all you have to do is Menu/ 7 Display/ Indicator>>POWER SAVE.

After 10 seconds, ALL the lights are off.

If you use remote control, you will have only the bluetooth blue one, then, after 10 seconds (or the time you choose to turn off the screen in the R07) will turn off, and when you press record in the app, there is no lights.


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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2019, 10:41:17 AM »
.... all you have to do is Menu/ 7 Display/ Indicator>>POWER SAVE.


Wow, yes you are right. That does the trick!

The Menu->7 Display->Display Timer value will define how long ALL lights are on when Indicator: Power Save is engaged.
I have set mine to minimum (2 sec) and all lights turn off after 2 seconds.
Lights turns on again (for 2 seconds) when a you press a button on the device, but not if you use the remote app as you correctly note.

Thanks for identifying that!
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2019, 07:51:50 AM »
On the Roland R-07 in menu there is “Record Monitor SW” which “Specifies whether the audio input will be monitored via headphones during recording”. You can select YES or NO.
Does anybody know what difference does it make whether you select yes or no?, why is this choice needed?, I would have thought either you do not plug in your headphones, or you do, why do you need to select it in menu?, surely it doesn’t have any effect on actual recording?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2019, 09:00:47 AM »
On the Roland R-07 in menu there is “Record Monitor SW” which “Specifies whether the audio input will be monitored via headphones during recording”. You can select YES or NO.
Does anybody know what difference does it make whether you select yes or no?, why is this choice needed?, I would have thought either you do not plug in your headphones, or you do, why do you need to select it in menu?, surely it doesn’t have any effect on actual recording?

You are right, the benefits of turning it off are difficult to spot. Could it improve battery life if you turn it off? or disabling one circuit could possible be one less circuit to introduce noise? --- Just speculating as mine is always On because I am always monitoring.
I would only consider turning it off if I only used bluetooth headphones for monitoring.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2019, 09:59:27 AM »
^ If the headphone output is active it is producing voltage on that output whether you are using it or not. It will affect your battery drain. If you aren't using it turn it off.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2019, 01:35:28 PM »
Just grabbed one at Guitar Center...$149 thru the weekend.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2019, 03:26:07 PM »
How do you get the $50 discount?  My search turned up a $199 price. 

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland/R-07-High-Resolution-Audio-Recorder-with-Bluetooth-in-Black.gc

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 06:15:29 PM »
I walked into to see what they had to offer, wanted to get a hands on feel so to speak. They had some Zooms, Tascams and Rolands. The Roland was marked at $149…so I pulled the trigger. I am in OC, California. Maybe it’s a regional sale only?

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2019, 07:35:20 PM »
I'll check the local store. In any event, thanks for the tip!

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2019, 05:18:07 AM »
can you tell which of these is the R07?

one is DPA 4011> microdot actives > mic in to R07 using its own PIP

the other is 4011>microdot actives>d:vice> iphone

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Printing rubbing off on your R-07?
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2019, 05:54:49 PM »
I notice the printing is already rubbing off on the front on my R-07 (MENU, MARK etc are almost gone) - which I bought in October last year.
I've babied it and everything else looks pristine, so it bothers me a bit.
Anyone with the same experience?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2019, 06:49:04 PM »
yup, worn almost instantly on mine
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Re: Printing rubbing off on your R-07?
« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2019, 09:59:20 AM »

I notice the printing is already rubbing off on the front on my R-07 (MENU, MARK etc are almost gone) - which I bought in October last year.
I've babied it and everything else looks pristine, so it bothers me a bit.
Anyone with the same experience?
yup, worn almost instantly on mine
Thanks for the heads up.
It bothered me enough to return it to the shop yesterday, to have it fixed under warranty. Roland will probably just replace the front panel and the problem will show up again, we'll see.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2019, 12:32:24 PM »
Maybe some clear paint or nail polish would do the trick
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2019, 04:56:16 AM »
Will low battery cause “SD Card Slow” to flash on the screen? (I’ve only seen it flash once while battery low was also flashing).
I’m using Sandisk Ultra 32GB card, there’s only about 6 hours on the card recorded at 24/96, so there’s about 9 hours of recording space left on the card, however I’ve just seen it flash “SD card slow” which I’ve never seen before.
I had planned to record 2 more 3 hour shows onto the card this week, so definitely do not want to be using the card if it’s going to somehow fail.
The battery is getting pretty low, would that cause “SD Card slow” to flash up?, or is it probably more of a real problem with the card or recorder?
I’m wanting to record a show in 24 hours so hope to get an answer soon!
Recording onto Sandisk Ultra 32GB card in 24/96, don’t know if that in combination with low battery is the cause?
Thank-You
UPDATE - put new batteries in and saw “SD card slow again”, not sure why, only 10GB written to 32GB card and haven’t had a problem until now.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2019, 07:35:22 AM »
ive only seen that with old cards

my guess is card is old/slow/fake

or that its failing

i have had good luck with these in all my devices, one of the faster modern cards

a bargain at $7. used to pay that for a single DAT tape!

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i had good luck with mine but there are a lot of sellers, and lots of fakes out there. maybe look to adorama or b&h to make sure they are genuine
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2019, 09:23:36 AM »
ive only seen that with old cards

my guess is card is old/slow/fake

or that its failing

i have had good luck with these in all my devices, one of the faster modern cards

a bargain at $7. used to pay that for a single DAT tape!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XWJM2FV

i had good luck with mine but there are a lot of sellers, and lots of fakes out there. maybe look to adorama or b&h to make sure they are genuine
I only purchased it a few weeks ago, in store from a very well known commercial music / electronics supplier that would not be selling fake stuff.
Oddly when I put in the 2nd DIFFERENT card I purchased at the same time the first 30second file I recorded said “Improper Song” when I went to play it.
NOTE that both of these cards have previously had at least 12 hours total of files on them without any problems...
Put new batteries in and just recorded 3 hours non stop without any problems... So really odd 2 cards had an issue one after the other.
Maybe it really was the low battery?, but then again that doesn’t explain why when I replaced the batteries the first card just after it started recording with new batteries said “SD card slow”.
**I’m thinking it’s probably fragmented, I’ve been deleting bits and pieces here and there... I’ll delete everything and format the card and hopefully will be OK for the important show tonight.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2019, 12:50:32 PM »
Some people myself included ALWAYS format in the deck it will be used in and use fresh cards every time seems like a minor inconvenience compared to the horrible scenario of a recording being compromised.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2019, 03:44:17 AM »
ive only seen that with old cards

my guess is card is old/slow/fake

or that its failing

i have had good luck with these in all my devices, one of the faster modern cards

a bargain at $7. used to pay that for a single DAT tape!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XWJM2FV

i had good luck with mine but there are a lot of sellers, and lots of fakes out there. maybe look to adorama or b&h to make sure they are genuine
I only purchased it a few weeks ago, in store from a very well known commercial music / electronics supplier that would not be selling fake stuff.
Oddly when I put in the 2nd DIFFERENT card I purchased at the same time

"at the same time" concerns me. you'd be surprised the number of ways fake gear can work their way into legit supply chains
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2019, 05:08:46 AM »

**I’m thinking it’s probably fragmented, I’ve been deleting bits and pieces here and there... I’ll delete everything and format the card and hopefully will be OK for the important show tonight.

there are benchmarking utilities you can use to test sequential and random read rates
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2019, 08:43:27 AM »
Some people myself included ALWAYS format in the deck it will be used in and use fresh cards every time seems like a minor inconvenience compared to the horrible scenario of a recording being compromised.

FWIW, I just leave the darn card in my M10 forever and reformat after every show.  So far, so good.   

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« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2019, 11:49:33 AM »
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2019, 12:20:36 AM »
No problems recording 3 hours last night so seems whatever the issue was new batteries and formatting card fixed it.
I have 2 more nights to record so I’m going to completely avoid deleting anything before I’ve recorded the next 2 shows...

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2019, 03:44:36 AM »
in absence of deleting anything, id imagine filling a formatted card front to back should be seamless
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2019, 06:37:35 AM »
Recorded a moderately loud show this weekend (think overhanging line array speakers like you get at big venues and festivals)

Sounds Professionals Cardioid mics into CA-Ugly battery box into the R-07. I taped A-B configuration about 15-20 feet from the array, which was about 15 feet up.

I had the R-07 running at an input of 35 and it gave me a nice clean, dynamic recording with plenty of headroom and no colourisation of the sound. Loud parts were clear with no distortion and more subtle parts still had definition and detail.

At 35 it meant that close clapping which was picked up louder than the music could be brought down in post editing without any clipping.

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Re: Printing rubbing off on your R-07?
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2019, 04:00:14 PM »

I notice the printing is already rubbing off on the front on my R-07 (MENU, MARK etc are almost gone) - which I bought in October last year.
I've babied it and everything else looks pristine, so it bothers me a bit.
Anyone with the same experience?
yup, worn almost instantly on mine
Thanks for the heads up.
It bothered me enough to return it to the shop yesterday, to have it fixed under warranty. Roland will probably just replace the front panel and the problem will show up again, we'll see.

Just to wrap this up. Roland didn't fix the problem in due time (according to local consumer laws) so the shop had to give me a full refund. Since I don't know if Roland has improved their printing in later production, I guess I'll be looking for a different recorder.
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2019, 04:31:03 PM »

**I’m thinking it’s probably fragmented, I’ve been deleting bits and pieces here and there... I’ll delete everything and format the card and hopefully will be OK for the important show tonight.

there are benchmarking utilities you can use to test sequential and random read rates

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2019, 02:47:40 PM »
Recorded a VERY loud (100db) show this weekend. 20-25ft from speaker, which was about 15-20 feet up.

Card mics into CA battery box. Setting at 22 did the job.

So: loud-ish concert/indoor venue  = 30 to 35

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2019, 04:00:48 PM »
I'll be getting an R-07 tomorrow and would like to record with it soon thereafter.  If I run AT853s (cards, 4.7k mod) > CA9100 > R-07 at an outdoor show ~15 yards in front of one of the stacks for a country rock band that plays at medium/average volume, what would be a good gain setting to start with?  Thanks!
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2019, 04:11:07 PM »
I'll be getting an R-07 tomorrow and would like to record with it soon thereafter.  If I run AT853s (cards, 4.7k mod) > CA9100 > R-07 at an outdoor show ~15 yards in front of one of the stacks for a country rock band that plays at medium/average volume, what would be a good gain setting to start with?  Thanks!

With Schoeps caps and a Naiant IPA, I'd start at 32ish. Not sure how that relates to ATs...
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2019, 08:58:22 AM »
I'll be getting an R-07 tomorrow and would like to record with it soon thereafter.  If I run AT853s (cards, 4.7k mod) > CA9100 > R-07 at an outdoor show ~15 yards in front of one of the stacks for a country rock band that plays at medium/average volume, what would be a good gain setting to start with?  Thanks!

Depends where you set the CA9100 but similar to the above post I’d start at around 30 and adjust from there assuming you’re fairly neutral on the 9100.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2019, 11:50:10 AM »
Thanks to those who responded to my original post.

So I did some experimenting with the levels before actually recording a show.  I started out with the CA-9100 set at about half way, but found that even with the R-07 cranked way up (50-60), the signal seemed kind of weak and the resultant volume was too low.  So for the show, I settled on starting out with the CA-9100 turned up to about 4/5 of the way to the max and set the R-07 level at 32.  It was an outdoor show where I ran AT853s w/ foam screens inside a Kangol and was around 20-25 yards from the stage dead center.  During the show, I checked levels with my iPhone, and noticed I was consistently pegging close to (and sometimes above) 3, so I started dialing the level down and ended up in the high teens in order to keep it pegging at around 12.  The audio turned out really nice.
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards) & AT853 cards
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2019, 01:50:25 PM »
I would use the CA 9100 to dial up or down..setting the A10 to 32 and the CA 9100 to 11 o'clock, at 11 the CA 9100 functions as a battery box....in addition I use the phone and and an app to check levels before the show...most of the times the music of the PA....pending on the type of music I do have a good "start" point to set levels on athe A10 or any ofther of my deveicesdevice....or I'll ask the guy at the board what to expect below a 100db or above...that also helps me to set levels....even with no music going and only people talking around me.

Hope it makes any sense at all what I wrote...

Thanks to those who responded to my original post.

So I did some experimenting with the levels before actually recording a show.  I started out with the CA-9100 set at about half way, but found that even with the R-07 cranked way up (50-60), the signal seemed kind of weak and the resultant volume was too low.  So for the show, I settled on starting out with the CA-9100 turned up to about 4/5 of the way to the max and set the R-07 level at 32.  It was an outdoor show where I ran AT853s w/ foam screens inside a Kangol and was around 20-25 yards from the stage dead center.  During the show, I checked levels with my iPhone, and noticed I was consistently pegging close to (and sometimes above) 3, so I started dialing the level down and ended up in the high teens in order to keep it pegging at around 12.  The audio turned out really nice.

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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2019, 05:17:38 PM »
I would use the CA 9100 to dial up or down..setting the A10 to 32 and the CA 9100 to 11 o'clock, at 11 the CA 9100 functions as a battery box...

Unfortunately, the knob fell off of my CA-9100 years ago, so I don't know where 11 o'clock is on it.  Based of a scale of off being zero and turned up to the max being 10, where would you estimate 11 o'clock to be  on the CA-9100?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2019, 09:57:59 PM »
If I’m thinking the same as him, 0=7 o’clock, 10=5 o’clock, so 11 o’clock would be about 40%?
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Re: Roland R-07, Part 2
« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2019, 01:11:42 AM »
I have a R-07 and so does my friend. We were at a show tonight, sitting near each other and we had both recorders show up on our mobile remote apps and they were named the same (R-07 Midi). Would anyone have any experience with this and can the recorders be re-named so as to differentiate between them when you open the app on your phone? I could basically control his R-07 and he mine from the app. Very concerning.
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